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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 00:45 GMT
#619
Why do you assume that I would only do thing in that manner? Scum are cold and calculating, they wont post something half assed for fear of making mistakes. Again, more WIFOM from both of us.

I started writing that as the day post came down, the fact that you stated you wanted to lynch me was coincidental. My job is to find scum, yes, I had a read on you, so I voiced it. Wheres the problem? could my read be wrong? absolutely. Doesn't mean i'm just going to keep it to myself.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 01:20 GMT
#623
Him having a complete 180 in his read on me and then you just accepting it without even so much as a query, is what piqued my interest. Your argument about me 'holding onto my suspicion' until day 3 is void because I specifically stated here that pushing the case i wanted to push (read: YOU) was not going to result in anything worthwhile with only 3 hours left until the lynch.

I spent the entire day 2 of Newbie Mafia 3 defending a mafia against the entire town, hence why I poked fun at myself for defending Sandroba, again as town. I figured you of all people might have got that one since you played in the same game.

Trying to meta me and then taking one example of my good play while ignoring the rest is confirmation bias. I outed half of the towns blues in Arkham and then went on to hang someone I had just confirmed 12 hours earlier to lose the game, as town. I play badly, it happens.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 01:29 GMT
#624
If you truly are town, then I suggest you take a hard look at everyone that is sitting back right now doing nothing. I know I wouldn't interrupt this as mafia.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 02:10 GMT
#630
I have enough time right now, so i'm going to also sit down and reread the entire thread.

Probably twice. Once assuming nothing, second time ill assuming my read is wrong and Probulous is town.

Lets see where this goes.

##Unvote

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#633
After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.

Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.

##Vote Bluelightz
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 09:19 GMT
#639
On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......



You're right and if you were scum, you'd be sailing me down the river right now. So I think you're town.

##Unvote


I think my lynch is inevitable today, that's OK. Ill try to get some thoughts out before my flip.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 11:30 GMT
#640
Bluelightz, who do you think is scum?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 08 2012 13:07 GMT
#643
On March 08 2012 21:34 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:
##Vote Bluelightz


Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 13:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late.


Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......


Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 18:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......



You're right and if you were scum, you'd be sailing me down the river right now. So I think you're town.

##Unvote




Could you guys BE any more obvious.



OK, I put to you a hypothetical. What direction do you plan on going tomorrow after I flip town? Obviously if I flip scum, you're going to want to go after bluelightz, but humor me for a minute and tell me what happens when I flip town.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 09 2012 00:18 GMT
#679
Here's a paragraph on each player to give you an idea of where my reads are at. This'll probably be my last post before my flip.

Bluelightz
I am almost certain that bluelightz is town. At the time of this post, the votes were 3 for me vs. 2 for bluelightz. Bluelightz had the easy option of just OMGUS voting me and pretty well sealing my fate, instead he chose to go against the grain, say I might actually be town and vote elsewhere. This is either some of the most well thought out (and risky!) mafia play I have ever seen, or he is town.

Snarfs
Snarfs is actively trying to contribute in this game. He's asking questions where they should be asked, following his reads and doing everything I expect of a new-but-good town player.

Paperscraps
Paperscraps looks alright to me. His recent switch to voting me feels like self-preservation, which is fine, I did the same earlier with bluelightz. I have the sneaking suspicion that he is the SK.

Pandain
Pandain's disappearing act of the last two days is a bit concerning, but my previous read on him was all town. He defended me against Probulous, who thought I was asking a 'scummy scummy question', because he picked up that I was implying I might be a watcher/tracker. Sadly, I am not the tracker, I was feigning a blue role in the attempt to get shot, but it was entirely reasonable to think I was the tracker in that situation.

TheToast
I too have taken a few hits from the Civs' 5 crack pipe, I know how easy it is to lose days on that shit. That said, I wish he had played a bigger part in this game. I get a townish feeling from reading his filter so I'm happy to say he's probably lurky-town.

deconduo
Tiny filter, filled with one to two lines per post. I think his biggest post is when he reformatted rgTheSchworz post for him, so not even his own work. I really don't know what to make of him right now, but id probably hang him just to be on the safe side. Could go either way.

A Killer Cuppa Tea
AKCT. Has a single pager filter on day 3. His voting reasons are beyond bizarre. On day 1 he votes Probulous due to some ridiculous reasons, then retracts it and blames it on alcohol, and instead votes for Misder with equally crap reasons, who flips town. On day 2, he votes for myself for not jumping on the lynch AKCT train to kill him, his reason being I "looked like I was trying to gain town credit". Finally on day 3, when most of the town is staring firmly at me, where he would well be justified in voting for me, he votes for bluelightz instead, implying that we are both scum, yet he wants to kill bluelightz first.
This guys brain is broken. I have no clue what his alignment is but I really suggest hanging him or having a vig/SK deal with this, because he is skating by, throwing out shit votes, not contributing and not even trying.

Probulous
When I see someone making terrible arguments like:
On March 07 2012 13:18 Probulous wrote:
What is also interesting but somewhat prone to WIFOM is that he targeted Palmar who is now dead. Jackal targeted him and is also now dead.

This is the kind of crap I expect to see from the mafia in a newbie game, not here. I had to double-check the posters name. Bad logic is not a scum sign, but someone who is known for using good logic and then starts using terrible logic IS a scum sign. Probulous is supposedly an up-and-coming good player around TL Mafia, and when I see him trotting out stuff like this, my alarm bells go off. WIFOM'ing away at the fact that two people I've had interactions with are now dead? seriously? awful. I cant believe you are trying to pin Jackals death on me after a vig has already claimed it. Its laughable!
In response to my case, he then starts to deflect back onto me, to call my (already minimal) credibility into question, here and here. That is a mafia tactic. Townies are concerned with clearing their guilt, mafia want to re-direct onto their attacker.
Finally, this post here. I have already touched on this but I feel I need to go over it again. This post reeks of fear. If my cases are so 'flimsy' then there should be no need to lynch me before my 'flimsy' cases sway anyone, as they'll gain no traction.


Where do we go from here:
I think the best course of action is to flip me. I know that might seem a bit strange for someone asking to die, but my reasoning is this:
-With me around and my alignment in question, people are going to be wondering what I am, due to my ... interesting behaviour this game. I am a distraction to town that needs to be removed.
-My reads will gain more weight after I'm dead. Once I flip, you can almost assuredly say that bluelightz is town.
-Another reason to hang me is to prevent the mafia from hanging the SK, my death buys him one more night to kill one of these scummy assholes.



If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you could possibly imagine

##Vote Adam4167
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 09 2012 02:50 GMT
#703
Posting from phone

I explained why in the post where I voted myself. Right now the only other two on the chopping block are you and bluelights, neither of which I want to see dead. Going through another day with people focused on me is counter productive to this town winning. I am not being a martyr, I am doing what I see as the best move for towns success.
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