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On February 29 2012 12:29 k2hd wrote: TestSubject and alderan had begun pressuring him BassInSpace sorry you got sniped. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote: Btw I got roleblocked umm why would you say that? You've basically told mafia who to lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Look ,maybe I've missed out on a bit of the emotion thats gone into this thread(been popping my head in and out on a account of school) but last I checked Alderaan wanted a lynch to happen, just didn't want to waste a townie( and choc and ghost weren't looking that scummy at crunch time) I hate that we didn't lynch more than anyone because weve all been set back and players have had to grasp at straws, thats why active players have looked either a bit suspicious or not very helpful, because they've been trying to make stone soup when towns not feeling generous(god that was witty, please someone get that) well now we know one thing, janaan was town, and I think alderaan is being framed. Could be the other way but Alderaan just doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would try and meta us by lynching his own suspect. I will not vote for alderaan under a wifome basis that he lynched janaan to throw us off his trail, if he was scum hed be better off keeping his suspect alive. as of now I think we should start back at day one and lynch the biggest lurker. Btw test also suspected janaan why is he not a lynch candidate? | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:24 zelblade wrote: I'm not claiming blue ffs this is still a problem because your telling the mafia your not blue, best not to discuss night actions unless you have a useful conclusion to state as a result. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Also who are you to say we should default alderaan? You replace a lurker, youve posted twice this whole game, once about how long shit is and about how alderaan is suspicius(this can easily be seen as an early attempt to crumb on him) and once more right now to suggest we default lynch him because Janaan was his suspect? Use your head man, why would alderaan draw attention back to himself if he's scum?(god help me if you use the m word)?, Alderaan who has been encouraging people to speak and sticking his neck out there against difficult targets, is one of the most flashy players in this game, he does not give off scum vibes(especially if you are aware of how perfect his scum was in the last newbie mafia game) Also as for chocolate tons of people have changed their minds about him, he took heat for accusing four face mostly and as the game went on it seemed far more likely that he was just a reckless townie. So Alderaan set his sites on other suspects, whats wrong with that? I certainly consider active flexible suspicion more town like than what you've been doing (inactive tunneling) You asked us for other options, well I'd like to ask YOU for a few of those options, who else could we lynch? And what do you think of Sloosh And chocolate? | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Test so good at understanding my posts <3 And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. Fine, are you red then  ? | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Test so good at understanding my posts <3 And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. Ok so I know you don't want to talk about your role but would you mind telling us a bit about why you think mafia considered you a threat? What interactions did you have that drew their gaze? Or was it the lack of interactions? I know these questions are a bit wifome but it'll be useful to hear some your opinion ( : | ||
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I have one, wheres that case you guys were supposed to build against yours truly? I'm waiting | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:56 zelblade wrote: @gum can we not delve into a bucket of wifom? Look its 1 am on my front, no ones here, I would seriously like to hear your opinion, meta is a useful tool if used right, please a few lines, you wont have to clutter the thread, oblige me. Unless you have some other brilliant case or post to work on? | ||
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On February 29 2012 15:03 DoYouHas wrote: Well that night hit threw my plan for today out the window. I had planned on pushing Janaan for sheeping a bit to much. Also, if he flipped red it would have all but confirmed Alderan as town. Back to the drawing board. I was largely absent for most of the night. That stops now. I'm going to put in the time to come up with a convincing case today and we are going to lynch us some scum. DYH think about it from scums perspective, alderaan is one of the biggest players, his primary suspicion happens to be a town, what better way to throw doubt on Alderaan? Personally I think we should just look back at the people who were trying to build cases against alderaan. a few come to mind, one in particular has been acting strange all game, you might know him, after all, he killed you in a past life. | ||
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On February 29 2012 23:58 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Okay, just a quick thought before I go to uni: 1)If Alderan is scum, then him killing a player he was going to push later doesn't make any sense, since he's hindering scums ability to push for a misslynch on said player, and he's hindering his own survival too. 2)If Alderan is town and scum are trying to frame him, it doesn't make any sense either. If you are trying to frame someone as scum, you kill the players pressuring him, you don't kill the players he's pressuring. Also, it wouldn't be a very good job at framing him, if any townie can figure out (1) and know it doesn't make sense for Alderan to kill Janaan from a scum POV. So this makes me think, that either this was very bad scum play, or Janaan was killed independantly of any effects caused on Alderan and other players' thoughts on him. I'd just want to address this now so people (i.e gumshoe) don't dwell on this WIFOM for too much longer. /Hyde good sir i am offended ) : you know when your actually trying to convict someone, you need mens rea and acteus rea to get the guilty verdict (probably spelling those wrong) Whats wrong with trying to deduce motive? Please, if you guys have something better to say I am all ears, why is it pointless to discuss motive? This is our space, were supposed to feel comfterble here to talk as we please, the mafia are the ones who are unwelcome. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Alright finally caught up. I find fourface's (who I replaced) play to be pretty ... wacky. Either way, in case any of you thought it was actually real, his "doc" claim is untrue. First thing zell feels the need to do when he enters the game is tell us that he isnt the doc like four face said -_- which made him look like doc, thats all, unless... Why would zell feel that the most important matter he had to attend to when he entered the thread was to say I'm not in fact the doc? What do we gain by him telling us this? Again he tells us he got role blocked, why tell us this? Zell I'm not fishing for colours, I'm just curious as to why you think town needs to know these things, if you were green it would been much better just to pretend your blue and waste a mafia ability, instead your choosing to make a spectacle of something that isn't our business and then you insist upon shutting down conversation about it after you brought it to light? If you are town please don't bother telling us these things in the future -_-, they do nothing but let mafia crumb suspicion on you for the very things i've mentioned (calling that someone screams scum slip in five, four, three......) | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:49 phagga wrote: @Gumshoe: 1. Zelblade just dropped the info. You then started pushing for more information on his role, for his thoughts on the roleblock etc. (writing from mobile, too lazy to look it up). He tried to drop the topic, you pushed on. If someone is making a spectacle, it's you. 2. If mafia thought he was doc, they would have shot him or will do so soon. 3. The info he gave us might be useful in the future. I disagree the info he gave us is useless, it will never be useful and forgive me for being suspicious of someone for giving us useless information. I didn't push him for more info, I pushed him because I think he's scummy, but I'll drop my suspicions because as you've said this has wasted enough time already. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:51 zelblade wrote: Because if you get roleblocked you claim it. Immdiatedly. Its information mafia already have, and town having more information is always a plus. Lets say you got roleblocked. Would you hide that fact, or let it out into the open? And no, I am not making a spectacle. The one doing so it you. We need to move on from this crap and start hunting some scum. Onto the more important stuff. I believe that a few of you (Sloosh, DYH, Hyde) are perhaps expecting too much from Alderan, and perhaps fear his scum play to an extent. I feel that his actions havent been scummy, and the cases made against him arent really great. What he has been called out for is supposedly dumping suspision on mutiple players. I do think that his thought process which he explained is perfectly valid. His play also happens to be totally diffrent from last game, where he played a safe scum that made the "right reads" and looked blue. His plan for day 1 was simply to tunnel dimmuklok, casting as much doubt without actually lynching him, instead wanting to leave him as a potential easy mislynch further into the game (which did not happen ofc). Furthermore, the activity diffrence is also staggering. I dont believe that he changed his style so much in just one game. Im suspisious of gumshoe. I dont how much wifom he has been applying to everything, and how he tried to rolefish. I did get the sense that he was improving greatly last game, but this game it seems that he has faded to a point where he isnt doing much. You could see that gum was constantly trying last game, and was being really enthusiastic about the game, constantly attempting to contribute (abliet in pretty bad ways lol), and eventually got better with his reads. However , look at his filter this game. There is hardly anything of note inside. It is a massive Yes, the gumshoe last game spammed as well. But look at the diffrence. That game his posts, whilst generally making little sense at the start (slowly improving) were filled with content, as opposed to the one-liners that he is spamming here. I suggest you guys to take a look at his filters from both games, and you would easily see the stark diffrence. Which is also why I feel that gumshoe is our best lynch for today. ##vote: gumshoe the stark difference is that I'm bored -_- nothing has happened, no lynch no significant cases, this whole game is just a stew of uncertainty right now. I am here before anything else to enjoy myself, by way of contributions ive pressured ghost, posted a case against sloosh which still stands and provided reasoning that ghost could be connected to sloosh so he's the better lynch bet at the time, also pushed for a lynch period, I've defended an active poster, commented on motive, defended myself, pressured you for giving us useless information and yes I've talked a lot because as I said i've been bored. So please lynch me so I can sign up for something a bit better more exciting ) :,maybe my mislynch will give the game the spark it needs, as of now I would much prefer obsing, where are the cases the arguments the fire? All that I find in its place is the tranquility that settles across a barren wasteland devoid of reasoning left ever dark by four looming shadows. | ||
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On March 01 2012 02:06 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe Saying "Lynch me" is playing against your win condition. Stop it. Today I'm gonna think about asking for a replacement, I think like steveling said it was too soon to get back into the game, it's just not as exciting as it was. I'll stop posting for a while, please feel free to accuse me for that and a multitude of other things, I'll let you guys know by the end of today if I want to keep playing, but you may just be better of lynching me if I get replaced because it looks fishy if I quit like this and it also looks fishy if I don't quit like this and it even looks fishy if I say nothing or anything whatsoever. I like mafia, but it is a commitment and I may not be able to commit any real effort right now. I'll let you guys know in the next twelve hours or so if I want to quit. But if I come back it'll be with a case because theres no point half assing this right ?regardless gl to town. | ||
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On March 01 2012 03:10 Qatol wrote: Let me be clear on this. You will not be replaced if you decide to quit. It isn't fair to your replacement for them to have to read 30+ pages just to start playing and have them be responsible for all the posts you have made so far this game (which is why we generally replace on day 1, but modkill after that). You will be modkilled and you will receive a mafia ban. Signing up for a game is a commitment to play it through with reasonable effort. By doing less than that, you belittle the efforts of your fellow players who are trying to fulfill that commitment. That being said, you will not be forced to continue playing if you do not want to. Please let us know if you want us to modkill you. Also, asking the town to lynch you because you're bored definitely qualifies as playing against your win condition. very well sir I shall see this through. Seeing as there is no going back now I will address every point against me, first off in terms of my accusation against sloosh, it was founded on a similar basis as to the one now up against me, that sloosh's behavior has changed drastically since last game just as you believe mine has, I never considered that strong enough evidence to lynch sloosh, I wanted to find someone associated with him and lynch that individual, if that person flipped scum, I would have a basis against sloosh, if that person flipped green I would back off, at the time that person was ghost, but since that point in the game I have lost most of my suspicion against ghost, reason being that ghost seems to care about his image and has criteria as to when he should drop his suspicions. Now the only persons who seem connected to sloosh are those accusing him, one of which is me and another is Alderaan, so I am content for the time being to put aside my suspicion of him and pursue the lynch of a lurker so that we can limit our casualties. Also zell blade I would rather you never have stated that information at all, nothing good can ever come from discussing non hit night actions. currently my only stance is that we do not no lynch, my only preference is that we don't lynch me. I will not be posting as much for the rest of the game, probably a case a day and responses to any questions you have for me. | ||
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On March 01 2012 06:47 Chocolate wrote: I just got home . Not many people were on yesterday for me to talk to. Ok first I'm going to be a hypocrite and tell you to stop talking about this, by talking about it Same goes for analyzing night actions, they are exercises in WIFOM and attempting to draw conclusions from them is stupid and scummy. Definitely agreeing with phagga here.In fact this is making me very suspicious of gumshoe. I wouldn't expect someone like him to try to do that at all, and the blue discussion with zell can't help town one bit. In addition, why wouldn't he claim RB? The only thing I can think of is if zell is mafia and is trying to make it seem like there is an rb, but I'd get suspicious if he kept claiming rb every day. In addition, if he gets lynched and flips red, any other players who have claimed RB would probably get lynched quickly. Zellblade's point on gum's posting habits is good. I dislike gum's choice to curb his posting, imo it seems to be an excuse to post less (think the amount I posted in II ) while still seeming town, because he has an excuse. I hope to see substantial posts from gum, and answering questions when needed. If he goes lurker mode I won't hesitate to lynch him.I will adress any questions directed towards me,but I will no longer have casual conversations or significantly pressure people(seeing as how doing so has brought me nothing but scrutiny I will leave it to those who wish to take up the practice), though I will ask people questions, and post cases. | ||
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