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Jayjay54
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I actually highly doubt there are two unlynchable, unshootable roles out there. For me, this is far from being confirmed. I mean, this is a bastard game, there could be 100 reasons why he actually survived this lynch. I am planning on shooting him. Seriously. | ||
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Jayjay54
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if he didn't lie, I waste a shot, but we got a confirmed unkillable townie. Sounds good to me. If he lied, he's a dead scum. Not so bad either. oh and BM those were my kids  take care of them. I got promoted for getting rid of them | ||
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Jayjay54
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If V7 dies tonight, you'll have me on your ass. | ||
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Jayjay54
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if they have an unkillable role, they can't lose whatsoever. Town can still lose even with this role, because they have to be outnumbered. Third only makes sense if additional wincon is in there, but neither sheth nor nisani nor v7 claimed that. Therefore ocean = town. If I shoot him, there's still the chance of a scum medic. Yes. I am aware of that. But it is a really good chance that he's town if he survives this night. | ||
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Jayjay54
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yea, but there HAS to be a way that town can win. even in a caller game. imagine what shitstorm kurumi would get, when town can't actually win this game? and if that's true, wasting a bullet won't hurt, because we can't win anyways. | ||
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Jayjay54
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Why would there be two oceans with a (assumable) little scum team? That doesn't make sense to me. I feel like we're being player by a one time use ability or something. @bm. sorry I needed to focuss on my career. but you're rich in love now <3. | ||
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On March 05 2012 03:03 blubbdavid wrote: Jay, shoot the lurker who is most suspicious. It's better than wasting it on V7. it's not wasted. it'll confirm a townie at worst. Best scenario is I prevented everyone from believing a guy who is scum and killing him. Not everybody believes his claim, for those, the shot makes perfect sense. If I just randomly shoot into lurkers I have a good chance of killing town. | ||
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Jayjay54
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On March 05 2012 03:17 GreYMisT wrote: Shotting V7 does not confirm as town. This is a Bastard game. it doesnt have to be balanced or fair. scum could have an invincible vig for all i know. When will people learn only very rarely do roles confirm people. Only death does. I agree it's not 100% confirming, they could have a medic or something as well. But where do you want to go from here? Ignore him until the rest of the game? I don't know how many vigs we have. I can only shoot tonight and not tomorrow. If he is unlynchable AND a vig, a shot still makes sense. You can't ignore him for the rest of the game. Again, I think he's lying. And I don't believe kurumi would implement two "boring" roles like this with (assumable) so little scum around. | ||
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Jayjay54
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On March 05 2012 03:29 GreYMisT wrote: I'm not suggesting we ignore him, Im suggesting we don't use his role or outside of the game (i.e Moderater) factors to decided his aliengment. isn't that what we did with sheth as well? I mean he was checked red and we didn't lynch him because of that. | ||
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On March 05 2012 03:52 Liquid`Sheth wrote: eh I think I'm kinda a special case. My play made 0 sense as a mafia. Who plays like horribly anti-town to get lynched to prove their town? Meh WIFOM ftw... told you, it's fine. you were checked red. I didn't care how you played, but you being occean confirmed you... | ||
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Jayjay54
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I ended up shooting V7 anyways (I am glad seeing that JB died). He survived. So unless scum had a saving role, there is a good chance, says the truth and is town. some may QQ that I wasted a bullet and I stand by point that the shot makes sense. Will DT next night, dunno who though. And will prolly only tell in a few pms, because I think there are framers. what to do now? coinflip lurkers? I am a little lost and all most reads are dead (VT) or town (Sheth, V7, Nisani). That leaves (leaving 90% confirmed people out): Jayjay Greymist david ET forumite kenpachi evantrees BM cyriandor. bluelights these are the players we need to look. I know I know, posting lists, but this may be handy. I'll provide my reads on this very list tomorrow as I am too tired to scan through filters now. You should do the same... | ||
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Jayjay54
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On March 05 2012 07:20 blubbdavid wrote: Jayjay, now it makes sense that there are two oceans. Nisani got his role swapped by Mattchew. So Nisani suddenly became Ocean. The other guy (white supremacist) then visited GGQ and killed him. It happened for V7 too. May I ask you what your role was before? I am too lazy to click the filter button. mattchew claimed shuffler a long time ago. look at his youtube vids. he also confirmed sheth this way. you might want to catch up and reread mattchew's filter again. It still doesn't make sense to me that there are two oceans. and this has nothign to do with shuffling. there apparently were two right from the start. whatever, I did enough to push V7 and I was probably wrong (sorry). all my reads have been wrong so far (not that anyone else's reads were great with 0 scum kills). yay. | ||
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Jayjay54
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I don't get it either | ||
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Jayjay54
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On March 06 2012 01:39 Kurumi wrote: Ze missles, zey fleeing at vaderseven! is "ze" a german only thing? I mean can you guys from poland actually pronounce that? If so, I feel offended, call racist and demand more role powers. off to read some filters and catch up now. Also online. PM me if you want to cuddle. | ||
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Jayjay54
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I hereby provide my list breakdown after a quick look through filters (most of them are short luckily). maybe do the same. (with me added to the list, if you like). I already, know that I end up being the only one who does this, which is sad. Prove me wrong: here are the filters (thx ET). www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13791239 Problem: I don’t know how much contributing was at all done with 0 scum reads right so far. But we have to start somewhere, don’t we? _________________________________ Greymist: I am unsure of him the whole game long. His PMs seem very uninterested in this game. Points out twice that some sort of logic is flawed by default, because “this is a kaller gamer”. His only real push was against blubbdavid who he unvoted immediately after seeing he is new. Not the fact that he contributed little, but his lack of interest had me leaning scum. However, I think I figured out his role and therefore he might be black. Tough call. Still, lack of interest, likely at least not town. david: I know now he’s new. And this might indicate new town. His logic is flawed several times and his claim feels random. Leaning town, though. If Sheth’s nuke kills V7, I am pretty sure he is not town new guy, but scum new guy. Also, why didn’t you freaking use your ability on somebody you think is scum? ET: I PMed him early on and got a strong town vibe. His OMGUS nuke is understandable, I guess. Well, for all I know, he’s toast already since Kenpachi’s first nuke was real and I think you have two, right? So leaning town, probably dead man walking. No lynch here. forumite: His lack of suspicion against Jackal D2 really confused me. There was no way you could see Jackal as town that day. This made me think he’s scum. His push against Sheth had a real odd timing, too. On the pro side, he is active and discusses, which is more than most players do in this game. Some posts actually seem pro town, too. What I also want to point out is that he didn’t confirm the shot. When Nisani was shot n1 he was notified immediately, even though it was just a BG mechanic. Interesting. Not for his alignment but for bluelightz…more on that later. All in all, Leaning scum for the two moves I mentioned. kenpachi: I’ve played with him before and he lurked that hard before. Normally he trolls a little more with kurumi and palmar, I guess, but they are not there. Tough call. Also, same with ET, who also had a nuke before, dead man walking. So probably no lynch. evantrees: He has, in fact, no filter. Seriously. Nothing. Come on man, contribute. Wth? Happy coinflip lurker. Might be scum though, because of serious lack of interest and contribution. So I guess 60-40 weighted coin flip. BM: Claims VT, which is ridiculous this game. Doesn’t really follow the thread as far as I can see. Accused ghost of being scum. Called Nisani scum, which was ridiculous at that time as well. Suggested third party lynch. Lack of any pro town moves. Probably Scum. And yes, I know he’s BM, but still probably scum. How are the kids though? Are they treated well? cyriandor: I’ll just copy paste evantrees read: He has, in fact, no filter. Seriously. Nothing. Come on man, contribute. Wth? Happy coinflip lurker. Might be scum though, because of serious lack of interest and contribution. So I guess 60-40 weighted coin flip. bluelightz: Hey cool the highlight is last in my list. Looking at recent events, he’s my best scum read right now. He only has two pages, but they reek of scum. I won’t comment on the countless troll one liners, cause this is a kaller game. Let’s look at his actions: We already know these two gems here: On March 02 2012 10:03 Bluelightz wrote: I got a scum check on Sheth  My result was: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36ee4v/ <3 On March 02 2012 20:24 Bluelightz wrote: I failed to send Palmar a PM night 1 ;| I am a DT. We already know that the Sheth DT stuff was fake. He knew that the first DT check from Sheth was wrong, so he thought he can get away with this. Cool. He proceeds then to totally disappear which is scummy too. If he in fact HAD a DT check, why not fight for it. He just announces it and goes away, which makes no sense as town IMO. Town didn’t really care for some reason and ignored him inspite of fake checking and maybe because of disappearing. Now he claimed a shot on Forumite. Why wouldn’t Forumite verify that shot. Surviving a shot, looks a little townie (especially when some people thinking a possible scum med was on V7). Also, I try to understand why you would DT N2 and then just randomly Shoot N3. This change of heart makes no sense either. He is lying about his actions and roles. Other than his (bad) actions he didn’t do shit. No post with content. To sum it up: 1) Zero content. 2) Fake DT check. 3) Not defending his DT check, but disappearing. 4) Randomly shooting into people after previously DTing. 5) Shot was not confirmed. Scum. There are a lot of scummy persons out there. Most likely because of the general lack of contribution. I feel comfortable lynching bluelightz though for the points I told you. ##vote bluelightz __________________________________________ In other stories, random nukes in that late in a game confuses me. The Sheth nuke, however, is completely understandable. I regret having announced my shot on V7. That was stupid. This nuke will probably bring clarification. I didn’t even think of pacific ocean being a pun, but as Syllo pointed that out, Atlantic ocean makes even less sense. I agree 100% with the nuke. | ||
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Jayjay54
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On March 06 2012 05:30 blubbdavid wrote: More and more I think that I am actually the man. But in my PM role it didn't say that there were bodyguards. excuse me? didn't you claim RB? | ||
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Jayjay54
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if we on the other hand think he's bullet and lynchproof, it's hard for me to assume he's scum. I think, it's the first option, but I am not sure how to handle it. Why the fuck did I have to announce my shot on him.... Roleblocking HIM will probably do shit. | ||
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