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Gumshoe, you really should stop calling him mitch. like, seriously.
10 minutes before dead time.
Obviously town:
EchelonTee - asshole aggressive
slOosh - aggresive, accepts responsibility
Mattchew - asshole aggressive (i didn't actually think u were scum before, was hoping me being suspicious on you would keep you from being shot for one night)
gumshoe - newbie who is progressively getting better, has gone for peacekeeping efforts, not needless confusion
probably town:
Janaan - was part of the first day shenanigans, but his reactions to things thus far seem pure
Alderan - i dunno i thought he was scum but I'll defer to you guys. that point about him posting the vote switching is a prty pro-town thing to do. Also didn't want to lynch DYH, and me criticizing him going for Dimmuklok is prty hypocritical, since I was on Dimmuklok too.
Unsure, my back up list:
Steveling - this is still gut
rgTheSchworz - lurky, and blae's posting was sort of suspicious. huge list posting, tried to go after me
zelblade - I think he is less scummy than the others
scum
MG - please lynch him tomorrow
trackd00r - or him I guess
TKHawkins - eh dunno, seems rly scummy but I dont know why scum would throw in the towel so hard
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On February 23 2012 07:58 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 06:49 Mattchew wrote:
1. I left rgTheSchworz off my list accidentally. He belongs with Janaan in the Null/least town read section. He's smart and should be able to contribute more. His reason for voting DYH seemed like he hadn't read the thread and with his late entrance and Gum's gazillion word posts I don't blame him. If someone on my list doesn't turn up to be scum and he's still not productive he should be looked at very very carefully.
This means that of those 6 I firmly believe the entire scum team is there. With the possibility of there being no medic or vig, I think we have 2 mis-lynches so we should be able to lynch all 6 before the game is through.
Good plan as long as we don't strictly adhere to it. Its success is based off every one of your town reads to be correct, and while I generally agree with your town reads, I want us to be mindful of the possibility of a misread.
man speaks the truth. If it comes down to lylo, the obvious townies will all probably be dead, so it'll be up to whoever is still alive to reassess everything with an open mind.
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On February 23 2012 09:01 Janaan wrote:
Now that I can't be roleblocked, to prevent ya'll wasting time making a case on me...
I'm shooting Midnight tonight as Vig.
ILU <3
I knew u were town :D
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trackd00r was against steveling pretty early on the thread when no one noticed him. I don't think they can both be scum, like what sloosh said.
I'm going to do a bit of logic/cataloging.
As said before, people I think are MOST LIKELY town (could be re-evaluted later on):
sloosh, myself, gumshoe, mattchew.
That leaves 6 people I where scum could be hiding:
zelblade, steveling, trackd00r, TKHawkins, rgTheSchworz, Alderan
zelblade: votes me and DYH D1, thinks trackd00r, mattchew, and TKHawkins are Mafia.
Thinks blae(rG), Alderan are town.
steveling: advocates lynch lurker/no-lynch first day, put down cases on gumshoe/DYH/trackd00r.
Thinks mattchew's case is great.
trackd00r: targets steveling early, votes me D1, lightly targets TKHawkins and Alderan.
Thinks Mattchew is town.
TKHawkins: FOS's Janaan, case on myself was the sheepiest, thinks mattchew is dangerous.
Says blae is "very pro-town"
blae/rG: posts big case on me, rG believes "scum are in active". By far the lurkiest poster in the thread.
Alderan: posts initial case on Dimmuklok, talks about the vote swap, believes TKHawkins, sloosh, and trackd00r are mafia.
If the scum team included trackd00r, it would mean that he is being bused, as at least 3/6 of the people here think that he is scum. I wouldn't lynch him today, at the very least. The same goes for TKHawkins. TK might even be modkilled, so we should leave him for now.
Of the people available, I would be most comfortable lynching zelblade, or rgTheSchworz. Why rG? The only opinions on him have been "he's pro town/should post a bit more". He hasn't gotten the same scrutiny that MannerKiss got D1.
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On February 23 2012 22:36 Mattchew wrote:hey sloosh... do these 2 posts read the same to you I had a strange feeling during both of these... they both look townie because of their "helpfulness and organization" but really anyone reading the thread should know this right? they also both try to buddy you Scum Bromancipate from last newbie gameET Post from this game
Probulous posted the list in that game and didn't really comment on it. I posted my list and put some words on it. The reason I posted the list is because this game became a clusterfuck after last night's flip.
This day is pretty weird. I can't help but feel that we are being played.
I see two possible scenarios that we are in:
1. Mattchew is town - 2 or 3 of the remaining people from his original list are scum. People's reactions to him are largely due to their fear that Mattchew has exposed them. DYH seemed to indicate that he largely agreed with Mattchew.
2. Mattchew is scum - In this case, the team would likely be something like Mattchew, Blae/rG, Alderan, Steveling. The only reason why I think this could be the case is because something just feels fishy as hell. It might be dumb to consider these gut instincts at MYLO, but I can't shake the feeling that this game is heading towards complacency. When scum have a stranglehold over town activity, this sort of lackadaisical feeling takes hold, as it has done now. Mattchew's flashy post does remind me of TL L, but I don't know. I don't want to think Mattchew is scum, but there's just something unsettling. If MG had flipped red I wouldn't have any qualms.
All the players in the game currently are pushing towards "lynch TKHawkins and trackd00r. not TK i guess since he might be modkilled but definitely trackd00r. and don't worry that nearly everyone wants trackd00r dead, Mafia is probably busing". Because that worked so well concerning the DYH lynch huh. I feel that trackd00r is the wrong play.
...Honestly I think I want to lynch Steveling. His response to mattchew's post (regardless of Mattchew's alignment) was strange; he was all like "SHIT WE WON THE GAME WITH THIS GAIZ", which was pretty contrary to how the general town felt towards it. His D1 was not good (advocate no lynch, initial post is a Lol@gumshoe). I feel that all game he has only put down reads after suspicion was pretty well established. And no one has really addressed Steveling all game. I feel like he has slipped by unnoticed while having an apperance of contribution.
##Vote: Steveling
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On February 24 2012 03:55 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 03:45 EchelonTee wrote:
All the players in the game currently are pushing towards "lynch TKHawkins and trackd00r. not TK i guess since he might be modkilled but definitely trackd00r. and don't worry that nearly everyone wants trackd00r dead, Mafia is probably busing". Because that worked so well concerning the DYH lynch huh. I feel that trackd00r is the wrong play.
This is what worries me, its seems almost too easy... I feel everyone can agree that TK and Track are the scummiest in the game right now, but the thought of it being just bad town play still lingers. We really need them to come and be active.
especially track. like, dood, there are some people who think u might not be scum, if you throw in the towel then ur pretty much done =/
Btw, just because I said "mattchew could be scum, team would then likely be matt/rg/ald/steve" doesn't mean that I think all of you are scum, you included. It's just another possibility that no one has seemed to consider.
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Thank you for posting trackd00r, seriously. at school still, I will comment on it in a few hours. Luckily we have more than 24 hours to think this through.
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LMAO, I'm way more aggresive this game than last. I don't post setup posts when I'm scum to specifically avoid them. I don't use WIFOM when I'm scum to avoid them. When I'm scum, I actually play a MORE CAREFUL game. I find it hilarious that you're using out of thread stuff to try and prove things, fully contradictory to your
meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta
nonsense.
The difference is that when I buddied to prplhz, I specifically avoided making any comment on his alignment until he was a confirmed townie. Not only is sloosh not a confirmed townie, but me and him had a BACK AND FORTH early game that made people think I was scum. Why the hell would I do that as scum?
You're definitely scum now Mattchew. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and grats for not voting me even though ur making a huge accusation.
##Unvote: Steveling
##Vote: Mattchew
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The reason why you have to think before you post is because you are scum. You have to carefully phrase how you are going to post it, so that it makes u seem unscummy, because if you post directly how you feel/think then it will expose you/
You are considering whether or not to tell me LOL YOU'RE SCUM and go balls to the wall, or to say LOL I WAS JK LETS BE FRIENDS. It has been about 1.5 hours, and you are definitely in thread. The correct, town response, would have been to say "LoL ur just using OMGUS, I'm obviously not scum".
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On February 24 2012 08:26 gumshoe wrote:
Oh and on the severe off chance that either sloosh or ech are scum, thanks to you guys for teaching me to never trust anyone ever again.
If I was scum, gumshoe, I 95% would've mislynched you D1, unless DYH stopped me.
If sloosh is scum then I will cry. like, bawling, on the floor.
Will comment on sloosh's/Mattchew's post in a bit, eating dinner.
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On February 24 2012 08:31 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote:
The reason why you have to think before you post is because you are scum. You have to carefully phrase how you are going to post it, so that it makes u seem unscummy, because if you post directly how you feel/think then it will expose you/
You are considering whether or not to tell me LOL YOU'RE SCUM and go balls to the wall, or to say LOL I WAS JK LETS BE FRIENDS. It has been about 1.5 hours, and you are definitely in thread. The correct, town response, would have been to say "LoL ur just using OMGUS, I'm obviously not scum". I was actually in class from 3:15 to 5:15 EST in Mahwah NJ, and then drove 50 minutes home Bridgewater, NJ and posted from my phone at the tail end of my commute around 6:05pm.
ok I believe you that you were away from thread, you don't need to tell me the exact details of your personal life :p
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On February 24 2012 09:41 Alderan wrote:
This Mattchew bandwagon is cute and all, but quite frankly ET and Sloosh haven't you done enough OMGUS tunnel tunnel town lynches?DYH is the most obvious example, but you both had made cases against MG (which in my mind is why Janaan shot him).
Sure Mattchew's posts are abrasive, but definitely not scummy. Apparently neither of you can distinguish between the two (see DYH). I can not fathom how you would vote for a case like that over someone like TK who has all but admitted to being scum....
1. mattchew "bandwagon"? There's only 2 people voting him. It's the opposite of a bandwagon; no one is willing to jump on it. Whether it's because all of the "townies" who previously thought Mattchew was scum have all changed their opinion, or because he is scum and the team can't pile on like they did to Dimmuklok/DYH is up for debate.
2. tunneling is bad if you do not consider outside perspectives/other options. I find it quite misrepresentative for you to say that I am "tunneling" mattchew; I seriously considered him town but today he is being incredibly, incredibly non-committal, as compared to his D2. For him to say "THESE 4 ARE SCUM" and then today to be like hmm mehh uhhh trackd00r lynch pls? It's strange; it reminds me of my D3 play in my previous game; after influencing 2 mislynches, I was unwilling to go balls to the wall because I was afraid of drawing undue attention.
3. I find it interesting that you are comparing the Mattchew case to DYH and MG. Mattchew also made a case on MG, so you can't say that we solely advanced that. Also, you say that we cannot distinguish "abrasive vs. scummy" and compare it to DYH, but DYH was NOT abrasive. I thought he was scummy for entirely different reasons. And how can you say his posts are definitely not scummy when he himself says "Yeah i been playing really badly, really scummy".
On February 24 2012 08:26 gumshoe wrote:
ech? Like why? Why are you trying to evoke that kind of paranoia at this stage in the game? THIS IS THE LAST THING WE NEED.
If you remember, Mattchew attacked me, as opposed to pursuing his reads that he was so confident on. Of course his explanation is:
On February 24 2012 08:27 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Why it is reasonable to vote for Mattchew (me)
1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy
2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus
3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing
4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game
5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure
6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on.
I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play.
Well WTF have you been doing?
Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot.
This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before.
Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH.
So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen.
So what Mattchew?
You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss.
I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else
I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads.
Essentially, saying that "I'm bad, sorry guys". So why exactly should we listen to the things that you have been saying in thread lately? Like your support for a trackd00r lynch? Being wrong (and you were only wrong about MG even) as a townie doesn't mean pipe down and become timid; it just means you have to pursue further reads. Your big reticence from this post is so contrary to your previous play that it's sort of mindboggling.
I also find this amusing because when you say "I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it", by saying that it is "my" win condition, it means that it suits you to not die (scum or town), as opposed to "our" win condition, which would be to not mislynch a townie.
To mattchew's defense: you say that 90% of sloosh's case is you believing in your reads, but now the fact that you dont believe in your reads is weird. As town, all you have are your reads. I can see that maybe you have lost confidence after last night's flip; I did too, but if you articulated why your reads still have merit, it would be easier to see you as town. Your utter loss of confidence, as I said, reminds me of my own pullback D3 in GMarshal's Normal Mini Mafia.
With at least two lurkers (rG and TK), and a scum team of 4, there is no way we will be able to lynch a scum unless all reamining townies come to a consensus. rG and TK; if you have any opinions on the current situation, please post them. No one will lambast you solely lurking, we just NEED to get something done, so if you are reading, please post anything.
I'll consider anyone but trackd00r, if everyone is dead set against the Mattchew lynch.
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The back and forth going on is becoming not useful; we have no consolidated lynch at this point and at this rate I don't know if we will. I am not going to switch to some last minute "easy lynch" because the chance of that actually being scum is quite low at this point.
Because vaderseven expressed interest in replacing, but hasn't replaced in yet, I assume it is because TKHawkins is unsure of whether or not he wants to replace out; vaderseven replacing it would mean no modkill would be required, so it makes no sense for him to not come in now unless there is an extraneous factor.
Thus, TK, if you're still playing, pls post anything, even just a vote. Town needs something, anything.
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there are some typos above. I'm tired and have a midterm tomorrow. I will only be able to post 1-2 hours before the deadline, MAYBE once more 5-6 hours before, so everybody else please, get things together.
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On February 25 2012 03:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Mattchew usually has constructive, or at least tries to appear constructive as scum,
it just doesnt fit his meta right now.
LYLO-not him, not really.
Mattchew is trying to appear constructive, hence the big ass post earlier. If you say that his meta is "try to appear constructive", then this game fits the bill. You should vote Mattchew if you honestly believe this to be true.
Mattchew you have still not produced a case on me at all, other than "his case on me isn't that good", and "i think sloosh and ET are teamed together". This is really, really different than your initial case, which was built upon the belief that scum do not interact together. Idgaf if your reads change because you see the faults in them, but you have 180'd on your belief on scum tells.
Town, read sloosh's posts; does he rly seem like a scum to you? I can realize that I have looked scummy from time to time, but there is no way that me and sloosh are a scum team. It makes utterly no sense. Scum never flamboyantly buddy like that, it is just nonsensical. Scum are more prone to light buddying, soft defending, sort of like Mattchew and Alderan.
The only thing that people have managed to say about myself is that I tunneled bad reads. Well I'm not tunneling this time; I had a fcking revelation that the only way this game makes sense is if Mattchew is scum. If I was scum, I would have DEFINITELY mislynched gumshoe D1; there was a lot of heat on him (steveling, some others don't remember ight now) and I wouldn't have even had to have tried. Look at my previous game, when I mislynched Timeaisis; the gumshoe scenario this game is parallel, but I recognized that gumshoe was just a hapless townie. I wouldn't have called out sloosh. I wouldn't constantly post that I think mattchew is town, then switch my opinion like this.
Honestly, it's me or Mattchew at this point. If you're scum, I know that you'll be piling on me, but if you are town, look at the game as a whole, and tell me to my face that I am scum. When mannerkiss lurked all D1, mattchew didn't post reasoning for anything for a long time, has not even read the whole thread, advanced a 4 man lynch plan that was half baked, and D3 his only prerogative is to vote me, after I've sufficiently called him out. Tell me that Mattchew is less scummy then me, if you're not going to vote him.
Only hope is for town to pile on Mattchew. If you're town, vote him.
I will not be back before the deadline. Town pls don't make me lose hope in humanity. I'm looking at you, rG and trackd00r.
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gumshoe, rG, and trackd00r, I believe you all to be town. please vote mattchew.
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On February 25 2012 08:58 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 08:53 Mattchew wrote:
Lol gum great reasoning ... Atleast I'm in kaller and that just started
Sloosh et zel tk gum = scum team btw thats 5
lol. If slosh is scum then gg.
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