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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 02:56 GMT
#809
On February 22 2012 11:54 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 11:46 Janaan wrote:
Suggestion for everyone. We have to drop the discussion of whether the DYH lynch was good or not. It doesn't really matter. It's done, and now we have to put it behind us and focus on finding scum.


agreed. sloosh where you at?


why do you need sloosh
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 03:11 GMT
#812
MG of the 4 your the least strong scum read.. hence why i didn't push for you to be lynched first
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 03:12 GMT
#813
On February 22 2012 12:08 TKHawkins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 11:51 Mattchew wrote:
to all of my accused.. (hawk track MG zel) I want each of you to post in detail what you all think of 1 another

I will never rule out I could be wrong (I don't think I am right now) but this will help any of you that could by some slight chance be town survive


I have absolutely no interest in playing a game with you in it, nor deal with your trollish BS for another week. I have already PMed the mods about getting a replacement to take me out. This is my first, and last game of mafia on these forums.


in what way shape or form am i trolling
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 03:53 GMT
#817
the meta meta meta and bus bus bus is to drive home the point. you can only big and bold so much stuff and people in this thread seem to do a lot of selective reading

if you're offended by my use of retarded I apologize but the sentiment still stands, that is a stupid way to post your reads if you were town.

this is a role playing game... and I am calling out people... stop taking it to heart.. after the game I wont post like this and will be constructive with anyone's play as well as my own... but in game I am going to post the way I think, openly and honestly
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 04:13 GMT
#819
how have i not been constructive
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 05:09 GMT
#823
i am not being overly defensive you are just posting lies about me... i have been constructive and an asshole (not excessive though just the biggest in this game)... the asshole part is so that my message is heard because somehow sloosh typing in all caps was more well received then my case.

also I am completely accountable for my reads and I stand by them, if they are not scum and we lose it will be my fault.

the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 05:10 GMT
#824
I am also more than happy to answer any questions about my reads... the only people that have been constructive with my posts are those i accused and those agreeing.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 13:12 GMT
#832
On February 22 2012 17:47 zelblade wrote:
Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.

Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.

Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?

I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.

@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.



so you think that by doing everything i did (ie. calling my case "retarded" and "balls", alongside aggressively cursing me out) you are now creating this good town atmosphere that you tried to speak of?

And no I don't think that I am better than anyone here, I just believe that my case and points are better then the ones previously brought up.

but don't overreact or anything zelblade.. you can totally edit this post later... oh wait
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 13:29 GMT
#835
On February 22 2012 22:26 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 22:12 Mattchew wrote:
On February 22 2012 17:47 zelblade wrote:
Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.

Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.

Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?

I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.

@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.



so you think that by doing everything i did (ie. calling my case "retarded" and "balls", alongside aggressively cursing me out) you are now creating this good town atmosphere that you tried to speak of?

And no I don't think that I am better than anyone here, I just believe that my case and points are better then the ones previously brought up.

but don't overreact or anything zelblade.. you can totally edit this post later... oh wait


Maybe I did overreact a little, but I dont like your attitude. And no im not cursing you out, just pointing out that your assholerly (something that you have admitted to doing) is irritating. I'll try to cut down the insults but I still think your case is bad.

And I dont even get what that last setence means.


you wrote far and away the most aggressive and rage-blinded post in this game thus far, to supposedly calm down the most aggressive asshole in the thread... pot/kettle black
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 15:52 GMT
#838
On February 23 2012 00:43 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 22:04 zelblade wrote:
Btw the hawkins on my lynch list applies only if he (Hawkins) decides to calm down and come back. As stated I rather not lynch a replacement coming in immediatedly.

Zell i dont want to hear any more lynch options out of you until you read my case on hawk.(Oh and on a side note if youd lynched manners replacement two days ago you wouldnt have such a headache right now) raging out of games is exactly what mafia do, also your points raised against tk are just the tip of the ice berg, please read my case and adress it point by point, right now we dont need "this guy seems sorta suspicius" we need hard cases, so far the only ones that stand are mine against hawk and ech's against mg which can use an update, steve's track case deserves hounareble mention but as i said track is not a threat whereas hawk most certainly is or at least has been and hes far more aggresive. Also to matt, calm down with the chainsaw, we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia. I am willing to be lynched or whatever if hes not. Note if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. Also dyh's case on hawk while less detailed stands if you want a second opinion. I will be home soon so ill be more active today than last night. If someone has another lynch candidate I would like them to post ONE strong case. Anymore out of one person will be distracting at this stage in the game. ZELL I am not listening to another word you say until you adress my case, your in thier a bit by the way so theres your personal incentive.


you seem to be tunneling a little bit, and you are coming off conceited saying things like "we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia." and " if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. "

This is exactly what sloosh did, and that didn't work out too well
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 16:08 GMT
#840
On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:
Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow.
Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing.

My stance on Mattchew -
Show nested quote +
the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid

He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced.

I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case.

I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other.
However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content.
Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means.
I have to say he is leaning town right now.

However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect.


I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum).

Following post will address Mattchew's 4.


this is by far and away the best post in the thread... sloosh = confirmed town in my eyes now ET please talk to him as much as you would like
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 18:28 GMT
#847
in a really really shitty wifom question do you think I will die tonight? gum and sloosh's answered prefered. I have a relatively big post I could make explaining my reads on everyone in the game but it would be kind of silly to post that if I were to survive
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 18:29 GMT
#848
also, in this pre-death post i say basically exactly what gum shoe says so ill quote what i had written
These are the remaining players. Remember there are 4 mafia in there. As much as you may want to believe otherwise.
Also remember that unless we have a doc or some type of blocking role, there will be 1 less town come voting time tomorrow meaning that of the 11 remaining scum will control 4 votes and town will control 7. This also means if we mis-lynch and we don't have a protecting role, it becomes 5 town to 4 scum the next day.


1. gumshoe
2. rgTheSchworz
3. Alderan
4. EchelonTee
5. Mattchew
6. Steveling
7. trackd00r
8. MidnightGladius
9. slOosh
10. Janaan
11. TKHawkins
12. zelblade
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 18:35 GMT
#849
EBWOP I would prefer gum, sloosh, ET, or alds opinion. However I'll listen to anyone that wants to speak up
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 18:54 GMT
#851
On February 23 2012 03:49 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
in a really really shitty wifom question do you think I will die tonight? gum and sloosh's answered prefered. I have a relatively big post I could make explaining my reads on everyone in the game but it would be kind of silly to post that if I were to survive


Matt the only way you'll die tonight is if you continue pissing off the mafia(and us to a certain extent) so much that they're just like fuck it and murder you. Jokes aside I know its a fun question to ask but lets not do the mafias job for them k? They'll lynch whoever they lynch, well pick up the pieces.


Yes but I want to know if I should post a "pre-death" post with thoughts and reads on everyone.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 19:03 GMT
#853
i have to go to class... wont be till after night

so i guess here it is

I want the WIFOM the fuck outta the somewhat off-chance of scum killing me tonight so that all it shows is that I am confirmed town and that my intentions with the "ruckus" i have stirred up were actually pro-town.

These are the remaining players. Remember there are 4 mafia in there. As much as you may want to believe otherwise.
Also remember that unless we have a doc or some type of blocking role, there will be 1 less town come voting time tomorrow meaning that of the 11 remaining scum will control 4 votes and town will control 7. This also means if we mis-lynch and we don't have a protecting role, it becomes 5 town to 4 scum the next day.


1. gumshoe
2. rgTheSchworz
3. Alderan
4. EchelonTee
5. Mattchew
6. Steveling
7. trackd00r
8. MidnightGladius
9. slOosh
10. Janaan
11. TKHawkins
12. zelblade

First and foremost IMO these players are confirmed town in my eyes. Listen to them in times of confusion.

Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts
Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts.

These are my town reads meaning that these players are most likely town but
Gumshoe - Personally I hate the length of your posts. You sometimes use 300 words to say 5. That being said you have been completely transparent this entire game, too much to be scum IMO.
EchelonTee - started off aggressive and pressuring. I like it. He posts don't have any hint of heavy scum-like over thinking to them (meaning scum tend to look at their posts over and over again to make sure they aren't scummy). He also was the first to vote MG and one of the first to point suspicion of Dimmu. Scum usually hops on bandwagons and doesn't usually start them especially early in the game at any level. There is the slightest bit of doubt from me which is why he isn't in the confirmed town list.
Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town.

My leaning town but if any of my scum reads are wrong pick.
Janaan - Seems extremely wishy washy but this is a newbie game. This could be him not being confident in his decisions but is someone to keep an eye on

My Scum Reads Click Me Click Me
I think that people are starting to see more of the light in this post. It isn't meant to be the holy grail but it has focused a lot of people to make more cases and produce more content. So far all it is done has re-affirmed my believes in these 4 being the scum team.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 22 2012 21:49 GMT
#865
10 minute break from class. Wanted to comment on a couple things before night hits (which I will not be around at the deadline as of now)

1. I left rgTheSchworz off my list accidentally. He belongs with Janaan in the Null/least town read section. He's smart and should be able to contribute more. His reason for voting DYH seemed like he hadn't read the thread and with his late entrance and Gum's gazillion word posts I don't blame him. If someone on my list doesn't turn up to be scum and he's still not productive he should be looked at very very carefully.

This means that of those 6 I firmly believe the entire scum team is there. With the possibility of there being no medic or vig, I think we have 2 mis-lynches so we should be able to lynch all 6 before the game is through.

2.
On February 23 2012 03:22 gumshoe wrote:
Oh on a side note I am suspicius of anyone who accuses MITCH because at this point that is an easy get me out of trouble accusation, mafia are better off just calling him an asshole or an idiot(valid accusation btw) MITCH is playing too risky and reckless, he's attacked pretty much everyone and hasn't been shy about it . He's so frustrating that I wouldnt be surprised if he turned up dead tonight, though I doubt it, he alone isn't a threat to the mafia, its when someone like sloosh backs him up that he becomes dangerous. Leaning town.


I think that this is a bad policy. If I survive and you(talking to everyone) think I (or anyone else for that matter) am scum please speak up. I think that I have shown that I will not mis-judge you because of your beliefs. Remember I am in this game too meaning that I am a newbie as well. I am just confident with my reads based on reading a lot of other games and playing in a couple others. I am active in a ton of obs threads of games I am not in as well.

3. As Gum said, everyone thinking that they may die tonight should be doing everything in their power to give out as much information for town to work with as possible. The more information we have from confirmed town the better chance we have at winning this game.

4. Finally, werewolves has ended and someone (sorry I am rushed and forget who) brought up my meta being similar to that game. I was scum in that game, however there were 2 scum teams, so I actually ended up playing the best "townie" game I have ever played because I was actually hunting the other scum team. So yes my meta is the same but that should also indicate that I AM actually hunting scum as I was in that game. Also, that was a pm, 2 scum team game, you cant make that great of a correlation to this normal game.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 23 2012 00:18 GMT
#881
time to reconsider everything
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 23 2012 00:29 GMT
#886
i have no defense for being wrong about MG.

I did have him as least scummy of my 4 but I really don't know if that even matters. Idk if we change the course I would like to hear all your thoughts on this
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 23 2012 01:38 GMT
#888
i am going to sleep on this and come back tomorrow morning my time (EST) with a clear head. I dont wanna drive myself crazy pouring over this tonight
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