EPTOh sloosh etch, just in case theres any doubt in your mind as to matt bieng mafia, you should probably be aware that if your two votes stay on him than mafia can jump on board last second and win the game. That goes for trak as well.
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Oh sloosh etch, just in case theres any doubt in your mind as to matt bieng mafia, you should probably be aware that if your two votes stay on him than mafia can jump on board last second and win the game. That goes for trak as well. | ||
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On February 25 2012 02:39 Mattchew wrote: i guess im just assuming the worst that they are not both scum... Either way is a risk.. you want to risk them being mod-killed as scum or do you wanna risk lynching someone today if they are both not scum gg, we lose nothing we can do. Because if they do show up an hour before the deadline with a huge case against sloosh be sure I will make it my sole mission to see them lynched tommorow even if they do turn out to be green in only name, why would they be gone this long only to return later if they were town? More likely they are ragequit mafia or waiting to the last second to vote. So our options are either no lynch, or lynch one of them in case they are mafia and try to pop up a vote last second to stay in the game in which case they are mafia and we should be lynching them, furthermore our odds are great of hitting scum, 50-100 percent or we've already lost. This is our best option, now is not the time for case building it is the time for common sense. Unless marshal finds replacements which seems unlikely. | ||
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On February 25 2012 02:59 slOosh wrote: We are at 6 town, 4 scum. Right now we need 6 to lynch, which means we need all 6 townies. Mafia win if we mislynch here. It will be 5:4 and then one of us dies at night making it 4:4. Mafia win condition fulfilled. Mafia gain huge dividends by no lynch. While it does put us at 5:4 and gives us another day to talk, it also means mafia get one free kill. Additionally, an extra day of discussion is not worth an additional townie life, especially as it gives another day for mafia to clutter/ confuse the thread and there will be one less townie. Mafia are trying to stall and no lynch is basically setting us up for a loss. I've PMed GMarshal about the situation, as a similar thing arose in NMMIII where some inactives caused this kind of ruckus. It was resolved by reducing the required # to lynch to the majority of those voting. Here is the post. Hopefully we will hear good news and not have to resort to such risky lynching. As for who we should lynch: My point is that this is what scum look like. They give off the impression that they are helpful and active, but don't ever bother going the final step of taking the information and content in the thread and making a case to lynch mafia. I think EchelonTee makes a good point in noting how Mattchew's style of play has been with his suspicion on ET. It is weak and speculatory, inviting other people to look at him, but he doesn't vote for it himself until ET calls him out. Gumshoe, don't worry about the replacement scenario. If we were in an unwinnable situation, the hosts would have called it game by now. I am sure they are doing their best to resolve it and we should trust in them as they are the hosts. Now please turn your attention to the Mattchew case. You are a pivotal vote and you could determine fate of town. Thank you for confirming that the hosts would not leave us in an unwinable situation, that further solidifies my suspicion that both shworz and hawk are mafia, which is the only way we could successfully lynch a mafia today, that said if you think this is true than it is very possible that they are lurking waiting to vote at the last second. In which case we should vote for one of them As for a no lynch I agree with you, in most scenarios it is the wrong move because town ends up in the same situation with one less voter and the same problems, that is not the case here, as I have pointed out multiple times there is only one case scenario where we can successfully vote mafia and that is if both schorz and hawk are mafia, and if were sure they're mafia than we may as well vote for them in case they try just voting last second to stay in the game. If were not sure about them than the correct move is to not vote, because if even one of them is town than the only lynch we can accomplish is a mislynch. But tomorrow if a mafia and a town get modkilled and then one townie dies tonight, well be at 4 3. We can win in that scenario. waiting is the right move here, schorz and hawk will either reveal themselves last minute confirming their guilt or be modkilled. Either way by waiting something massive happens that confirms their guilt or inocence which isn't the case with your typical no lynch. Yes the mods could change something, but they are not going to for todays vote, so we have to fend for ourselves. I am not gonna play into the mafias hands, I am not voting in an environment this chaotic when we need only wait one more day for everything to become clearer. Sloosh please to listen to what I'm saying, a no lynch keeps us alive if hawk or schorz is town and the other is mafia while a successful lynch in that scenario is impossible and a lynch still leaves us in a great position if hawk and scwhorz is mafia. And if there both town? Than we shouldnt even be having this conversation. You say the mods will intervene, if they were going to intervene they would do so already, this is crunch time, I am going to gamble the game on the hosts wims. The most important point of all this I can possibly stress is that we can only lynch mafia if we are sure that hawk and schworz are scum, and if we are sure they're scum THEN WE LYNCH THEM. So that they cant pop up last second and sway the vote. Oh and there is one possible checkmate scenario Lets say we do have a one townie one scum turn out, if the townie doesn't speak up and the scum votes to stay in the game than well be at 4 4 tommorow, lylo WTF schorz you have a lot to answer for. | ||
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Oh and everyone pray that schorz is not mafia. | ||
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On February 25 2012 03:49 rgTheSchworz wrote: And I am scum purely because of lurking? Your logic seems off...... This is really the best chance I have to help town. And right now I d point my vote to zellblade. No schorz, sigh the point was that if either you or hawk or both were town we would be unable to lynch, we need all the town votes after all, now that you don't stand to be modkilled you have the power to vote and a no lynch is becoming not the greatest option. | ||
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On February 25 2012 04:27 Alderan wrote: I'm not sure, but I'm trying to play to not lose tonight. I think we approaching a consensus on a scum team based around Sloosh and ET. I feel the best option for us is the play that ensures the game is not over tonight. Vote hawk | ||
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On February 25 2012 04:39 Mattchew wrote: We need 6 to lynch it's majority and 5 is only half welcome to me 3 hours ago lynch hawk | ||
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following alliances Track-schorz(this happened fast) Sloosh- ech steveling- matt Now I know how excited you all are to reach for the stars but let me make one thing absolutely clear, if hawk is town and dosent post we lose the game, dont bilieve? Work it out, lets say we no lynch today which is the best thing we can hope for since we dont have enough town votes, hawk dies, we lose someone tonight, 4-4 welcome to lylo. Now what if hawk is scum? Lets say we no lynch, fine hawk either dies and flips red or shows up at the last second and secures his life and a town dies tonight than were 5-4 still ok and we can lynch hawk the next day Now what if lynch hawk today and we lose one? Than tommorow were 5 3 Basically the only way we can win this game as things stand is if hawk is scum, we cannot secure a lynch without all town votes so unless were sure hawk is scum then we should not lynch,but then if we are sure hawk is scum then we should lynch him because we know he is scum Also those claiming hawk is gonna be modkilled, schorz just demonstrated that hawk can come back last second and stay in the game. Our options as it stands are either assume hawk is town and lose or assume hawk is scum and ether kill hawk to make sure he doesn't jump back in last second or risk a vote that could be very well be a game ending mislynch. I think we can all agree that we do not want to consider this game lost, so please, lets make sure that hawk stays dead, a scum is a scum right? ##Unvote: No Lynch ##Vote: TKHawkins | ||
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Furthermore I do not want to rely on some bullshit host buff, we maybe noobs but we can win this game fairly or we can lose fairly. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:38 Alderan wrote: It baffles me that of all people, it took gumshoe to be the one to think rationally about how we need to approach tonight... You and me both buddy. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:35 EchelonTee wrote: gumshoe, rG, and trackd00r, I believe you all to be town. please vote mattchew. Ech the game can end right now just because townies decided that the most delicious thing in the world was each others throats, please vote for the guy we know is scum, if hawk is not scum than we've already lost and why would we still be in this game if we've already lost? | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:48 slOosh wrote: How can you guys even consider a possibility that both ET and I are scum? Mafia need one mislynch to seal the deal. Think about it: We were the ones originally strongly opposed to the TKHawkins and trackd00r lynch. If we were both scum and one of them town, it would have been done deal to lynch them as there support from Mattchew, Steveling, Alderan, gumshoe and zelblade. If we were all scum, then it could be seen trying to save our buddies. But then you have to be ready to accept that out of all the cases we could have pushed, we pushed Mattchew. There is absolutely no reason why scum team requiring one last mislynch would choose one of the least suspected people. Sloosh ignore them for a little while, talk to me, why is a bad idea to lynch the guy we know is scum? Why can we not vote for hawk and give ourselves sometime to work things out? If hes not scum than we cant have a majority, so WHY ARE WE STILL IN THIS GAME, thats because hawk is scum, and I don't want to risk him voting last second securing himself, oh and don't worry, I am not letting a mislynch happen today and even the worst case scenario where its a no lynch and hawk isnt modkilled is not as bad as the furious set of problems we currentley have. please vote hawk. We can survive provided we don't play right into the mafias hands and mislynch. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:50 slOosh wrote: We won't be around because as soon as we mislynch tonight game over Scum win. Sigh, no sloosh, your wrong if we vote tk who we know is scum we can survive, after tonight well be 5 3 for town if we lynch hawk and hes scum(which he is). If we no lynch well be 5, 4 or 5 3 hopefully if hawk is scum and gets modkilled, once again I must say if hes town it dosent matter because weve already lost, and once again I must say that hawk is scum because as you said the host is not going to let us squirm if we have no chance of winning. As long as we dont lynch anyone who isnt hawk, there is no risk of losing this game until tomorrow. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:58 trackd00r wrote: That's exactly I've been thinking this whole time. I didn't want to highlight this claim before, since I was afraid that some players could shut down my in a flash. Thank you for pointing it out. That's why I don't really want to vote for ET. ##vote: Mattchew Goddamit trak, this can wait till tommorow, WE COULD BE IN LYLO RIGHT NOW. Please please please read everything I've said about hawk being the best bet in the world right now, we can work this out in the next 72 hours after hawk flips red. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote: Gum if he is lynched and flips town we lose.. if he is lynched and flips scum we are literally in the same position as today... The only way we can improve our position is by lynching another scum and hoping tk gets mod killed as scum WE CANNOT SECURE A 100 PERCENT TOWN LYNCH WITHOUT HIM IF HES TOWN. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:00 GMarshal wrote: I may have a replacement for TH, assuming Qatol or DF get back in time to approve me replacing him in. GMarshal i hate you so much right now, so very very much. what marshal just suggested means theres a chance that hawk is town and is going to get a replacement before the deadline which means there is hope of winning even if he is town. Which means there is no sure thing in this game anymore. Which means that were back to square one and I have to pick a side in this ridicules sloosh vs matt fight because my hawk accusation isn't even 100 percent rational. Btw marshal is this in response to me trying to wifome you? | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:22 NightFury wrote: Hello! First game and complete novice, but I will try my best. Going to be doing quite a bit of reading now. Nice to meet you Nightfury! Would you mind just telling us if your town or scum? Oh and you are responsible for crushing my dreams just so you know. With all players active, I am at a loss as to where we should go, we have to lynch now though thats for sure, I will be rereading cases and posting my decision soon. | ||
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