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On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Sup guys got my role PM anyway,

Here's my take on roles

1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us
3/3 Chaos Followers Remain
?/1 Chaos Cultist(s)
?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s)
?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s)
?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s)

9/9 Imperial Forces Remain
?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen
?/1?Imperial Priest(s)
?/1? Imperial Psyker(s)
?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s)
?/1? Imperial Commissar(s)
?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos

DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE.


Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them

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Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1

Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us,



##Vote: Sinensis

No one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote.

Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again"

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VOTING

How many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay)

not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits

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Voting Strat:

~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<)

~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it.

~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker

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Lurkers:

Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT.

I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad.

Lurkers, hurt town how?

~Less Information

~Less possibilities for lynching

~Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.

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Closing words:

I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.

On February 03 2012 09:28 Bluelightz wrote:
Who I think is scum:

Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!

Sinensis:
Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.

Vote Leaders, More easily sabotaged, the leader's opinion can be easily changed.

Voting early is scummy?, what is your problem with people voicing their opinions?. It opens up way for more discussion.

So,


FoS:Sinensis
FoS:Timeaisis

On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm,

@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb

Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him

Timeaisis


You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him.



This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess

On his first paragraph,
There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping).
Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?

Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though)

I am voting him.

##Vote: mderg

Sinensis



Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis

Nisani



He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me.

That's it

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Sinani please post some more, ty!

On February 06 2012 20:59 Bluelightz wrote:
@ET

Right now my list looks like this

EchelonTee
TheToast
Nisani201
Sinensis
mderg
[UoN]Sentinel
BaronFel
prplhz

Explained Below:

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Null - mderg, Sinensis :

~mderg's filter doesnt consist of much, I can't really conclude red or green on him.Though, he easily could be town or scum, can't be sure.



~Sinensis, he has been posting maybe 3 pages of 1-liners, and here's a compilation of some/most of them)

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His voting, he never ever,ever has made a proper case on anyone he votes, example



he say's mderg convinvnce me, but then he just straight up votes me.

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Townies:

prplhz - His vigi claim makes me believe he's town

all others - Due to their posting makes me think they are town

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##Vote: Sinensis

Reasons'above

On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:


So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move?

As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this.



Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least-



Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions?

On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:


prplhz hasn't posted since his attack on sinensis. how is he being hostile and or scummy?



Wtf? I'm pointing out your flippity floppity, not defending sentinel. idgaf about sentinel; however you're sowing chaos in thread. Your tone in this sentence: you're putting on airs as if you're exposing something underhanded I am doing, when in reality, you're just trying to discredit me with nothing.

I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this:



Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum.

##Vote Timeaisis

On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:


...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use.




Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him?

That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me.

A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.

On February 05 2012 17:49 EchelonTee wrote:


1. mass-roleclaim: terrible idea, exposes blues at a stage where there is no need to. how could you even suggest this. You're really fixated on roles this game. You're not talking about anything that is tangibly pertinent. This is a NORMAL Mini Mafia; role discussion is just fluffy fluff at this point.
2. you managed to post a list of green and null tells. good job.

Did everyone forget about this post? It reflects a lot of my thoughts on bluelightz (wishywashy, posts nothing of use), yet it has gotten buried. Bluelightz never responded at all to the accusations, and his previous thought on who was scum (BaronFel), he now has as green? wtf?

Sinensis been drinking some of that crazy juice, but he's not most scummy in thread atm.

##Vote Bluelightz

On February 07 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote:
sigh sinensis...




You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people.


Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke?


1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost".

2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember?

I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious,

##Vote: Sinensis

On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote:
After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.

##Unvote: Sinensis

I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...

##Vote: Timeaisis

For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).

On February 03 2012 03:02 TheToast wrote:
Sinensis you are ever increasing the evidence against you.

Why you keep advocating dumb vote systems, over just figuring out who is scum and killing them, is beyond me. Why are you so against the idea of analysis?

Scum have 1 kp per night in this game. Meaning if we accidentally lynch a town member Mafia will then kill another town member. So no, we cannot risk just randomly killing someone. We need to figure out who is scum and lynch them today or go no lynch. (I prefer the d1 lynch, but if we can't agree better to lose only 1 townie instead of 2).

Also, we've been talking about options for the last few pages. You are so far one of the few who have not put forward some ideas about who should go down for the D1 lynch. You keep trying to railroad the thread towards your ideas but you have provided almost no analysis about who you think is scum.

I would call you out for being scum, but I can't help but think that if you were the other two mafia members would be trying to get you to stop posting stuff.




See that may have been a good idea if you hadn't announced it to the whole thread.

On February 04 2012 01:43 TheToast wrote:
Alright, with just over 11 hours left to go in Day1, it's time to make my call. Up until now, I've been trying to collect as much information as possible, and I think I've got what I need.

Right now I'm convinced that Bluelightz is Scum.

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But first let's start off with why Sinesis: is a townie. I was pretty worried about him a few pages back, he seemed to be advocating for a vote system that clearly was a benefit to Mafia. After I called him out about it, suddendly he started suspecting the same people that a few posts earlier I had expressed suspecion about and then said I was confirmed town. Odd. But in reviewing his posts, I found two interesting details:





To me these quotes suggest that Sinesis really just doesn't know how the game works. His idea about the "vote leader" also suggests townie to me, Mafia would know they could just use their KP on that person. Newer mafia player is also going to be much more reserved, rather than come out loudly suggesting terrible ideas.

I think an agent of the enemy would look fairer, and feel fowler

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Bluelightz Let's start with the obvious scum.

His first post is a dead giveaway:

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Spoilering because it is STUPID long

What is all of this? Is any of this useful information? No. This is all pointless junk that bluelightz threw in because he wanted to make it seem like he was doing some in depth analysis.

What he really did was just call out the townie who was being the loudest and avocating a dumb idea. A very clear Mafia tactic. Look back, it was actually bluelightz who started the bandwagon on Sinesis.

After Sinesis accuses him of having an agenda, Bluelightz immediately changes course and unvotes Sinesis. Then prplhz hops on the bandwagon (remember this) as does [UoN]Sentinel. Based on this development Bluelightz decides to again vote for Sinesis. (why in the world would two other people voting for the same guy make you change your vote???)

When I called out Bluelightz for this very thing, he AGAIN changed course and unvoted Sinesis. After ET calls out Timeasis, Bluelightz again hops on the bandwagon and FOS's him.

Then bluelightz changes him mind AGAIN and votes mdrg

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Interesting thing here is the defense of Sentinel. "Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him". Okay.

Then proceeds to "see" why Timeasis went against Sentinel.


Now wait, this seems more like you are telling Timeasis should not vote Sentinel. Not really a fair analysis. Then he proceeds to "analyze" Mderg.



Wait, so we went from seeing "why" people were bandwagoning on Sentinel (without giving ANY reason why you thought Sentinel was clean) to accusing mderg in one paragraph. Wtf? I also find it interesting that after mderg points out what may be a mafia slip up from Sentinel, you immediately start attacking him. Smooth.

What's the defense to all of this?


KIND OF????




At this point I am 100% convinced that Bluelightz is Chaos scum, and he would seem to have inadvertantly fingered Sentinel along with him. Right now I'm going Bluelightz as I am very sure he is Mafia, less so about Sentinel. I would prefer to take out the confirmed scum first, but if we get close to Night 1 and most votes are still on Sentinel, I will switch to ensure we get the 7 needed.

##Vote Bluelightz

On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:


I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.

First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over.

His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite.

Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about.