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On February 09 2012 18:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why do you think DrH is blue? because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right. Yeah I am inclined to believe in what docH says given that everything makes sense and he was DYING to know what I'm up to. And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum". It goes both ways. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. Yes, but does it confirm both of you as town. I'm not talking about "yeah he's probably town because his role name is x" but "I'll jump off a fucking cliff if he's not town". If it's so, then we must by extension hang rgTheSword no matter how much I want to hang people like kita, hiro, ve or radfield or something.
let's put it this way: I'm 99% sure what he is. The only possibility for him to lie is being mafia and somehow figureing out what I breadcrumbed. If you know what we two are I take it he might know if without actually being who he claims to be but unless someone steps in here explaining what's going on I doubt it.
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I'd say we lynch Schworz today. He tries to get a blue killed claiming Two-Face.
Palmar looks like he never lied as well and really has a split personality as Two-Face. If for some reason Schworz lied and tries to kill blue roles but is Two-Face himself we lynch Palmar. easy shit
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On February 09 2012 18:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:55 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why do you think DrH is blue? because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right. Yeah I am inclined to believe in what docH says given that everything makes sense and he was DYING to know what I'm up to. And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum". yeah I am aware that it looks like the xlviii situation all over again and I am aware that you probably are afraid that I might be pulling the same thing I did when defending annul. However I am not Yes I know his EXACT role name. Yes he is townie. I take it you really are Two-face? I'm not Two-Face.
are you "One-Face" ?
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On February 09 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:55 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why do you think DrH is blue? because he told me his role, he told me my role he told me part of my role pm, he told me part of his role pm, he claimed right. Yeah I am inclined to believe in what docH says given that everything makes sense and he was DYING to know what I'm up to. And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum". yeah I am aware that it looks like the xlviii situation all over again and I am aware that you probably are afraid that I might be pulling the same thing I did when defending annul. However I am not Yes I know his EXACT role name. Yes he is townie. I take it you really are Two-face? This one is on you Toad, but I guess I have a good enough town read on you to trust you. This means you better know what the fuck you're doing. rgTheSword did not claim anything but "guilty". I thought almost all TL Detectives always received both the role and the alignment? Usually they're called Cops if they don't.
your first paragraph doesn't matter. What Schworz claims to be is simply not possible.
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DocH claiming Two-Face wouldn't be that far fatched either, would it?
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On February 09 2012 19:04 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If there is still serious doubt later in the day cycle I will claim my name. It is a minor disadvantage to town because it gives the mafia some information I'd rather they not have but if this continues to be a major distraction then it's for the best.
The language I used was specific enough I think that I couldn't have picked it up off of Toades' own breadcrumbs. I thought you made up the immortality power actually as well as the Two-Face claim, it was the fact that you were still claiming to be immortal that made me realize who you were. So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in?
trust me. Worst case scenario: I am mafia alongside with DocH and we sacrifice the two of us to get Two-Face lynched. The moment he flips we're both dead. Doesn't sound that scary.
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Ok I thought about it and here's every possibility of Schworz I could think of:
His role has a phrase along the lines
You are sane, you get right results but you're a dick. You have to use your power every night, you have to claim what you found out that night in the thread and that claim has to be the opposite of what you found out
That's literally everything I could think of and if that's the case I'm going to punch BC after this game. If he's insane he'd know it himself. If he's a rolecop he'd know his blue role and not guilty which isn't making sense either.
+ Show Spoiler +You know I once played poker with my friends and someone had a bad pokerface, everyone knew he got shit and someone said "oh come on, don't be sad just because you got 47". The guy gave him the weirdest look ever and yelled at him "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, STOP LOOKING IN MY CARS".
Essence of this story: Most hilarious story ever, he completly guessed out of the blue. If I did that right now calling Schworz's secret power I wouldn't punch BC, I'd be rolling on the floor laughing. Honestly
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We haven't claimed a thing yet.
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and he is allowed to claim his name. If I confidently claim him to be the exact same role (name) that'd be funny wouldn't it?
Yet noone claimed a secret power of our roles :p
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mmh I shot BC a pm asking about the details. As I understand it neither of us did something wrong because neither of us told you what either ones 2nd power is.
I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p
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I never claimed mason, that was palmar. I only fakeclaimed Two-face to protect someone I thought might be Two-face.
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this shit so so complicated 
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hey DocH, did you get shot? And when I ask you if you got shot I'm asking if you got shot.
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On February 09 2012 19:42 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:19 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm Two-Face and I picked DT because I suck this game + we probably already got a shitload of vigs. If CC would have turned out red or catwoman I would have picked the vig instead.
You may ask yourself "wtf is this guy doing? He just claimed two-face, catwoman will simply kill him if it's true, therefore it got to be a fakeclaim". Fear not because I am immortal. Not literally but pretty much. I won't tell why but I asked BC and he told me Catwoman can't penetrate my awesome powers and she can't kill me right now. Obviously I won't tell you what makes me immortal because that would make it WAAAAY easier for her.
I don't need protection because as mentioned, I'm pretty much immortal. Now we got 2 claimed DTs while one is unkillable. Sounds pretty awesome given Mafia only has one Roleblocker. I don't know if the other DT Claim is a true one or a mafia fakeclaim but if it's true mafia has to kill him and RB me. Or mafia isn't believing a word I say because hell, who would give town an unkillable DT, right? :p what is this then Toad? And screw you for making me sift through nine pages of filter at page 70
that's a fakeclaim. I may fakeclaim whatever I want.
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that's what you say. I take it as a whole claim and as a whole claim it's bullshit and wrong.
Also I'm not really immortal. Who would put an unlynchable, unkillable power role in this game.
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yeah I'd say we stop talking about it until bc answered and start lynching Schworz instead.
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Palmar claimed he's sharing his role with me and it looks like he actually is Two-Face. After Schworz claimed Two-Face himself I told everyone that he's a liar and I am twoface making another big post but palmar retracted his claim and there was no way to keep my fakeclaim up at this point.
Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time,
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On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz.
see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup?
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On February 09 2012 20:02 Palmar wrote:
toadesstern/doch:
Assuming mafia got the role description of some/all blues. Is it possible that one of you could be mafia and abusing the fact they know the role description to fool the other?
yes it would be possible if they got my role PM as well or the one I suspect doc to be.
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On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming.
I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time.
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