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On February 14 2012 03:08 Forumite wrote:

We think it was all a big bussing of the most scummy of the scumteam. Radfield not giving us anything from his N2 check enforce this.

On February 14 2012 03:22 Kurumi wrote:

With WBG and Radfield they probably wanted to control the lynches. I killed the first and now I am trying to lynch the other.

On February 14 2012 03:26 Kurumi wrote:

So You deny that both WBG and Radfield are good players?

On February 14 2012 03:53 Palmar wrote:
It's cute to see the mafia try and powerplay me out of the game.

Chaoser, you're such obvious scum lol.

And for those wondering. I am not batman, or catwoman or any other third party. Only reason I left my name ambiguous in that list is because that's for others to find out.

1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum

Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case.

On February 14 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote:


Didn't think you had it in you. But I forgot that Sheth is obsessed with bussing.

wherebugsgo
02-07-2012
02:45 AM ET (US)
Radfield is an incredibly hard player to read sometimes because he is very good; which means that even if he appears town, he may not be. It leads people to become paranoid sometimes (look at Sleeper Cell II where he gets lynched day 1 as town) and misread him. Indeed the first time I played with him as town in PYP:I I felt similarly. (I had previously played with him in LoTR where he was scum, though I died n1; I caught him in the obs QT)

With that said, so far I feel like he is very town. To answer your question, I dunno exactly why Radfield likes asking questions, however for me I ask questions as town because it's an effective way to gauge a person's reads and thus their alignment.

Think about it this way: the hardest thing for scum to do is to forge analysis. So, if you're constantly forcing them to "contribute" by asking questions, you'll wear them out and they will slip and slip and slip. Their responses to your questions also will be shaded in a way that is mafia-flavored. Every scum is different, but most will have a very hard time coming up with convincing analysis on the spot, because convincing analysis as scum is very hard to do (you're essentially forcing the scum to fabricate shit over and over, which is hard).

Think of it as lying to your parents or something; you can only keep up a lie for so long before it becomes so convoluted that no one would ever believe you.

Another thing is, Radfield's incessant question-asking is incredibly consistent with his meta, because it is one of the most effective ways of hunting scum as town. Indeed, that's actually how I caught him in the LoTR obs QT; he was making assumptions (and he subtly slipped on knowledge he wouldn't have has as town)without asking people in the thread questions. He was not proactive about asking people questions and it was readily apparent.

Compare his play in this game to his play in XLVIII:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=16#306

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...52884¤tpage=3


XLVIII posts from Radfield

compare to this game, so far he's posted twice in this fashion:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=22#424

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=22#427

Pretty similar, IMO.

Ofc a good player will be able to replicate this kind of thing as scum, but for now I'm inclined to believe Radfield is town. This is not at all like his day 1 play from LoTR, and it is not like his play from Couples' Therapy either, where we were scumbuddies (we were a hydra, in fact)

The only thing lacking is that Radfield hasn't posted anything like a plan or anything of the sort (like he usually does) but he does that as both alignments, so I don't think it's that relevant.

From what you have said so far, Deepthroat, I'm going to make the assessment that you are a newer player. I'm going to guess Toad.

wherebugsgo
02-07-2012
02:50 AM ET (US)
apparently I can't post more than 4 links in a post without it getting blocked by the spambot protection thing.

couple more posts of Radfield's from XLVIII that I used for meta analysis:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=17#322

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=21#401

As for Palmar, he hasn't done enough yet to be readable. So far he has largely been useless, but we are only halfway through day 1. After the debacle in L where I pushed the lynch on him day 1 for being useless, I'm wary of lynching him day 1 just for that reason. I feel like there are probably out-of-game reasons for his lack of activity as well, as he scolded me in skype after he died about the lynch that game. For that reason I think it's kinda fruitless to try to analyze Palmar right now without further information.

He'd be a very good target to poke today and get answers from. I want to hear his thoughts, since that'll be the fastest way to determine his alignment. He'll probably be quite stubborn about it, though.

If the phone operator can get him in here, that'd be awesome. If he's scum we'll know very quickly (especially if he refuses to use this) and if he's not then he'll be a valuable resource and addition to the discussion.

wherebugsgo
02-07-2012
02:54 AM ET (US)
yeah I definitely agree with you, Radfield should be pressured into contributing.

The great thing about Radfield is that if he's town mafia will definitely not want to leave him alive on n1. If he pursues a Foolishness-style of play day 1 there's a chance he'll live, but either way we should definitely pressure him (and the other vets) so that we can determine their alignments quickly.

oh also I had two other guesses for who you were (my third was Dr. H hahaha)

I should've been able to guess from your posting style!

On February 14 2012 04:46 Palmar wrote:


Read the comments again. WBG concludes Radfield is kinda towny and then agrees he may need to be pressured. If Bugs genuinely felt radfield was worth hanging he'd have been much more to the point.

On February 14 2012 09:43 RayzorFlash wrote:
I havent actually succeeded in the game yet though, so i'm asking BC if i can purposefully fail on that and die through it so that we dont waste a lynch on me after a solid day of discussion and getting Radfield on the chopping block, where i think he belongs (as does chaoser)...

Whether you choose to trust me on that is up to y'all, lol... I just want town to win -_-

On February 14 2012 12:41 kitaman27 wrote:


So lets get this straight. You think Palmar the mega troll has the best gameplan. You think Radfield voted Sheth day one as scum, you think Radfield revealed a scum check on Sheth day two as scum, you think bugs wrote out an essay bussing Radfield. Have you even called Rafield scum?

You also believe that I'm not the Riddler. chaoser, rayzor, and Palmar are all lying about me putting them into the game because there is a huge conspiracy theory going on. You think that somebody else in the game is the Riddler and will counterclaim me in the near future. And you say you're the one fed up? :p

Chaoser - 6

risk.nuke
radfield
rayzorflash
kitaman27
evantrees
visceraeyes

Is chaoser a more important scum kp role?