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On February 14 2012 15:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:39 RayzorFlash wrote:
I have no doubt he is the riddler because nobody else would know who the riddler's targeted to play his game (me)... The only thing i may doubt in Kita's post is the specifics of his bullets, but he has no reason to lie about those so, i believe him 100 percent Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:48 RayzorFlash wrote:
Oh so theres multiple people in the game and it randomly kills one of them?? Fuuuuu... Guess you'll have to lynch me then to ensure that i die...
I hate you kita, lol wherebugsgo was part of my game, so scum had knowledge that more than one person was selected. He could have played dumb, but that seems unlikely. What I'm wondering is how doesn't the scum team manage to save Radfield? They obviously gave up a ton by sacrificing Sheth. With 5 scum votes, a rambling Riddler, and maybe a couple stray town votes, how couldn't they accumulate enough votes? Is chaoser a more important scum kp role? Do we have european scum who aren't around? Or is the scum team too passive to take a risk.
Not true, Scum team risked it all in an effeort to save Radfield, they even had you do an untimely claim, put "pressure" on Rayzor to have him "lynched" (this was the distraction fase), and then switched to chaoser. I say both you and Rayzor are scum for this.
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On February 14 2012 08:20 Katina wrote:Anyone who is not voting for Radfield or Palmar should probably be shot. This is obviously an important situation and needs to be dealt with now. Lynching those pesky random players (Tunkeg, Forumite) can wait another day. I won't be around for the lynch time as I still don't have internet. Though Palmar is stupidly confusing, I believe him more town than Radfield. As I said earlier in the game, his posts are very direct and actively display his own thoughts. Radfield's posts are more or less garbage if you forget the fact that he's supposedly a DT. Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 05:13 Radfield wrote:On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT?
What's the point in lynching a DT?
It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. It's interesting how you seem to think the game is close yet everyone else seems to think the mafia have the lead (15v5). Clearly you know information that nobody else has. Or do you say this because once you're dead the mafia will have one less member, and only then will the game actually be close? ##Vote: Radfield
Katina are you still on my case? Whats up with that. I am going to analyse you for a secound here. But not wheather you are town or not, because I don't see you beeing anyting other than that now...
I am going to decide your age, purely based on the fact that you don't like me.
So you are not in your 20's or 30's becuase those girls is quite fond of me. You can't be 50+ because those ladies like my charm.
You could be in your teens having a secret crush on me, poking at me, craving my attention. But most likely you are in your 40s, and like all women in their 40's you obviously hate me for my flair and charisma...
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On February 14 2012 21:10 layabout wrote:
/facepalm
Why facepalm?
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On February 14 2012 21:53 Toadesstern wrote:
reeee.
If the real riddler could come out and counterclaim kita, that would convenient. I really doubt that town kita would make that claim.
He should do no such thing as winter night is coming. Maybe tomorrow but not tonight.
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On February 14 2012 22:14 Kurumi wrote:
Okay, who should die tonight? Chaoser? Someone else?
Hiro, Razor, risk, jayjay all of those are pretty good vigshots tonight.
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Sorry for inactivity yesterday.
rgTheSxhworz what were your actions last night? You have claimed TwoFace, you need to start claiming your actions...
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On February 16 2012 07:39 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 16:38 Tunkeg wrote:On February 14 2012 08:20 Katina wrote:Anyone who is not voting for Radfield or Palmar should probably be shot. This is obviously an important situation and needs to be dealt with now. Lynching those pesky random players (Tunkeg, Forumite) can wait another day. I won't be around for the lynch time as I still don't have internet. Though Palmar is stupidly confusing, I believe him more town than Radfield. As I said earlier in the game, his posts are very direct and actively display his own thoughts. Radfield's posts are more or less garbage if you forget the fact that he's supposedly a DT. On February 14 2012 05:13 Radfield wrote:On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT?
What's the point in lynching a DT?
It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. It's interesting how you seem to think the game is close yet everyone else seems to think the mafia have the lead (15v5). Clearly you know information that nobody else has. Or do you say this because once you're dead the mafia will have one less member, and only then will the game actually be close? ##Vote: Radfield Katina are you still on my case? Whats up with that. I am going to analyse you for a secound here. But not wheather you are town or not, because I don't see you beeing anyting other than that now... I am going to decide your age, purely based on the fact that you don't like me. So you are not in your 20's or 30's becuase those girls is quite fond of me. You can't be 50+ because those ladies like my charm. You could be in your teens having a secret crush on me, poking at me, craving my attention. But most likely you are in your 40s, and like all women in their 40's you obviously hate me for my flair and charisma... Norwegians are ugly... Can we kill this guy already? Two thirds of his posts are nonsense like this. The only real thing he has contributed is a half-ass case against evantrees. evantrees does have a terrible posting history this game, but I find it odd how little Tunkeg is actively pushing for his suspect list. Of course yesterday we had to deal with the Palmar/Radfield drama, so it's fine he was focused on them for the day (and by that I mean posting nonsensical 2 liners). But outside of that he's contributed nothing to the town. Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 22:27 Tunkeg wrote:On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Why are we lynching eventress?
Lynch one of these guys
jayjay
forumite
radfield
tunkeg Another one who don't like me. Makes me a sad panda. On one side you have guys like Palmar, Kurumi and WBG (when he were alive) cuddling me and telling everyone that I use logic, that I should get medic protection and that I shouldn't be on any scum list.On the other side you have guys (and girls) like you, that want me lynched. Maybe becuase you are scum and see me as an easy lynch, or maybe because I am totally useless. So I am officially the village idiot (or am I just Keyser Söse?) He's using that as an excuse to not do anything. "Oh hey look two of the most active players in this game think I'm town...I can just sit around and not contribute!" Need to get this guy talking about the game, and not speculating how old I am. ##Vote: TunkegIt seems very silly to me to kill Kurumi. 3rd party =/= Mafia. We need to kill mafia. Also Forumite appears to be very good at sneaking under the radar. Are people even aware he's playing? He's given us list after list of who he thinks is mafia, but never any reasoning to go with it.
Not only are we ugly but we club down defenseless little sealcubs for the hell of it...
But this is for you my love:
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On February 16 2012 17:28 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 17:23 Tunkeg wrote:
Sorry for inactivity yesterday.
rgTheSxhworz what were your actions last night? You have claimed TwoFace, you need to start claiming your actions...
He has no night action
He is either a DT (which he claimed), or he is a vig. He should have nightactions either way...
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On February 16 2012 17:32 Adam4167 wrote:
He's neither, he lied.
Well, thats what I am suspecting as well. I think his play have been odd as hell throughout the game. But, why aren't you voting for him if you think this is the case? You think he is a lying townie?
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For now I will move away from evantrees as Radfield was the first who went after him on day 3. The scumteam have been bussing, but I can't see them bussing this hard. So for now I will look elsewhere for todays lynch (I know katina - you love me for it).
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I also think it is to late for us to lynch CW now. Last night was devestating, and we need to lynch scum!
CW/Kurumi should also know that town is coming very close to losing, and that he can't shoot wild into town anymore. If he shoots into town next night and misses his target killing off some other town, and scum gets jackpot on their hits, well then CW loses the game. CW needs to stall this game out now, and needs to get rid off a scummember to do so.
So do not lynch CW today.
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For the VE lynch I think VE looked like the townies of townies all the way up until Radfield were on the chopping block. He were pushing Sheth superhard (I know, that doesn't prove anything as scum bussed Sheth superhard), and he was also mentioning WBG as scum. But then again as soon as Radfield were heading for the gallows VE started appear more and more scummy. Threatening peoples who voted for Radfield (others like chaoser did this as well, so it doesn't need to mean anything), and as of late he just seem to have lost it completely. He is also going for Kurumi which is a safe option for scum at this point, as they can just justify their actions with "He is 3rd party, lynching him is good", which is easier then making up a case on someone they know is town.
All in all I find it hard to get a decisive read on him. And I think there are better lynches then him for today.
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I think todays lynch should be between hiro and risk. If neither of them are scum I will be surprised as hell.
hiro protagonist
Shouldn't this guy be a good player? Well, nothing in this game have been good, from a town perspective. So he is either bored or he is scum.
Only thing that works in his favour is that he voted Sheth both days. But day 1 he voted for Sheth for no reason, and day 2 Sheth was pretty much dead. So his votes on Sheth are way scummier than VE's votes for instance.
He went after Palmar after the Radfield vs Palmar feud started. And he defended Radfield without taking a hard stance on it, very vague defences:
On February 14 2012 03:49 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote:On February 14 2012 03:39 hiro protagonist wrote:On February 14 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote:On February 14 2012 03:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
eh, your right layabout.
Palmar is scum or 3rd party. Nothing about his claim makes sense, and he has claimed a lot this game, dispite the fact that when people call him out on it he tells them to stop lying. He also makes cases, only then not to push them very hard. He sheeps Kumari, thus leavening his guilt at voting for someone on him. Palmar trolls alot as both town and scum, but he cant help but be useful as town even when he is trolling. Somethings off, and the simplest explanation is that he is not town. Scum Palmar can do all of this shit and get away with it because he is a very good at arguing himself out of a lynch. I think he is scum. Palmar does not troll. He claimed everything. He coloured every player with corresponding colour to him, but he left himself with a rainbow. He called Radfield Talia based on him surviving a shot. He got rbed N2 instead of Radfield. Radfield is alive on D3 when he claimed DT D2. Ding-ding? All WIFOM. these statements do not deduce aliment. Actions do, and his actions have not been protown in my eyes. So Radfield is alive because of what? He did not get shot N2. He did not get roleblocked N2. Why he isn't dead? Why is he not dead? They thought someone would be protecting him? Why no roleblock? Dont no. But If Rad was scum he could have easily claimed roleblocked, or come in with a "check" on someone that died last night, as is what happened, but so can real DTs. WIFOM. These incidents dont make someone scum, there actions do.
He also defended WBG when DrH told the thread he was suspicious of him:
On February 11 2012 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
WBG this is the second time you've defended Sheth now. Get ready for the pressure. I'm pretty positive that either WBG or Kurumi are scum.
All of the cases Kurumi pushed Day 1 were weak and he hardly bothered to justify most of them. There's no serious case for his lolrandom vote switch to Qualis. He comes out saying "I don't think CC or Sheth are scum" then very very quickly is asking people to change their votes to Sheth. The fact that Sheth is mafia does not auto-clear everyone who voted for him Day 1 or Day 2 and it doesn't clear anyone who attacked him either. When I wake up tomorrow I'll be combing filters but my advice for others is to look for people who rather than defending Sheth just tried to redirect suspicion or outright didn't even comment on it despite making cases/voting otherwise.
On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote:
WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid?
All in all his filter is very short. But I think his actions have been pretty scummy. And more scummy than anything is so little posts from a supposedly good player.
risk.nuke
This guy have done nothing the entire game. He haven't defended anybody, and not really pressured anybody. But still his filter is full of suspicious stuff.
His first suspicious move is that he want either jackal or Palmar lynched of, based on a either or scenario:
On February 09 2012 05:21 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:
i presume that means you are confirming it's existence risk? Yes, I don't see any point in anyone on the list denying it either. Palmar claims we have an imposter in the mason thread. So did Jackal not invite the real palmar and lied about doing so? I don't know but the way I'm thinking we should handle this is following. Step 1. Make everyone on the list confirm it in this thread were their identities can't be forged. Step 2.(A) If alot of people say they haven't been invited we lynch jackal. If jackal flips is town we kill everyone who said they hadn't been invited. Step 2.(B) If everyone else confirms they have been invited. We kill Palmar, If Palmar flips town we kill Jackal. Thoughts?
He tells the town that its not among the lurker you'll find scum (I think it is indeed among the biggest lurkers you find them in this game, so I think he got an agenda for saying this):
On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers.
Softdefense on WBG, but not commiting to it, leaving himself a way out:
On February 11 2012 22:57 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 22:46 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Im gonna look at WBG and Kita as they have nt been helpful this game. Yeah I agree, they need to fakeclaim one or two times and cause massive chaos to the thread and further distract the town from lynch discussion. Then I might consider them as helpfull as you. Both wbg and kita are town in my eyes. Actually not entirely sure on wbg, as been mention earlier he's legendary good at disguising himself as town when he is scum but I think he's legit. So yeah, those two are very likely town.
He wants town to know that he indeed changed his vote to Sheth, why is this so important? Convinient not to have unvoted:
On February 12 2012 23:42 risk.nuke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2012 20:04 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I claimed my real role.
Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good.
Dt-ed last night- Chaoser. You're not a DT, silly. Liquid`sheth - 7 hiroprotagonist katina Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 12 Toadesstern drHslardarico tyrran wbgchaoser liquid`shethjackalopzevantrees billmurray Kurumi – 1 Layabout -_-qualis – 2 rgtheschworz kurumiico – 2 kitaman adam4167 toadesstern – 2 KenpachiRisk.nuke DrH – 2 Jayjay54 cyber_cheeseChaoser – 1 Tobberoth That's Day 1 final vote tally. The best source of info we're probably going to have. The second day is crapshoot, with entire town voting Sheth besides.. chaoser - 1 Palmar kurumi - 2 wherebugsgobill murray not voting - tobberoth There were two people voting me day 1: Bill Murray layabout So: 3 People voted me through the game: wherebugsgoBill Murray, who claimed Hush the Medic and RB D2 and went inactive since then layabout, who was one of the first people to vote CC Anyway, we might just ditch everything and lynch Radfield since he's alive on Day 3. Just for the protocol, I changed my vote to sheth but forgot to unvote. I didn't actually realise I hadn't unvoted untill just now.
He soft defended Radfield by trying to derail the Radfield/Palmar feud:
On February 13 2012 22:59 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 22:48 Radfield wrote:On February 13 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote:On February 13 2012 22:39 Radfield wrote:On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote:
ok let's do this:
I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man
I checked Radfield last night, he's:
Talia al Ghul
Hi Palmar. I think I'm finally starting to figure out whats going on  At first I assumed you could not be Batman, because if you were Batman, I would be dead. I cannot stop an unblockable shot, and neither can any medics. Therefore, despite the fact that your play this game lines up with your third party play to a tee, I had assumed you were just adding an extra dash of troll to your play. It's apparent now though that you did not actually shoot me, which was my gut reaction at the time. Shooting me Night 1 is dumb, and you are not dumb. It's also possible that you are scum and shot me, and if so you have played an extremely ballsy game as scum(However then you would not know my role, which you obviously do). At this point though I am almost positive you are third party, which explains your play this game. You have been pushing me since Day 1(either as scum or 3rd party), but never as town, despite the fact that I am a basically confirmed-town dt(who has soaked a hit, and flipped a red), which makes a lot of sense from a third party perspective. Ideal scenario for you is that the sensible strong townies get pushed out early, leaving you free to bully the town around. I am Calendar Man, and you are the Bat or the Cat. Me bussing Sheth for no reason on Day 1 makes no sense, and calling him out on a red check makes no sense, particularly when he was pretty much out of the fire until I posted my check. I assume you rolechecked me N1, which makes sense if you are Batman given that if I was mafia, there is a good chance I would be the GF(Hugo Strange). Again, Palmar being scum doesn't really fit because mafia wouldn't have both shot me and rolechecked me. It's possible he just lucked out(it was obvious I am Calendar Man or Azreal), in which case you might be scum. On February 13 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote:
Whatever. You say you have a red check, we´ll know soon.
##vote Radfield Hi scum. You seem awfully eager to vote off the confirmed non-scum detective. I readily admit my play has been a bit lackluster this game, which is due to both lack of time and getting a detective role, not to mention gettng both my dt checks correct. However despite that, my play has certainly not been scummy by any stretch, yet you are ready to vote hand in hand with Palmar's claim that he checked me? That is Bull.
We lynch Palmar today. He is almost certainly 3rd party or scum, though probably 3rd party. Normally you do not lynch 3rd party, but here we have an exception. If Palmar is Catwoman, he is certainly shooting into town. If Palmar is Batman, he is certainly shooting Toad tonight. Either way eliminating Palmar eliminates 1 anti-town KP. If he is scum it's even better. Someone make me an argument why we should keep Palmar alive today? Because lynching scum is more important then lynching third party. Both for information gain and who gives a crap about third party. And it is very possible that Palmar is scum, and very likely that you are too. Normally third party swing both ways, and kill off scum or town. However this game, particularly right now, that is not the case. He is scum or third, which means either way we win. Do you honestly think there is a possibility Palmar will flip town? I am off to work, but will be on tonight. I've been sure palmar is bored third party for days. I don't care. You and Palmar both claimed a blue detective. Fuck let scum kill one of you and then we lynch the liar (if he isn't dead already). What do we gain from wasting a lynch on you two? If we lynch palmar and he is third party, scum shoots you for beeing confirmed blue. I say proceed as normal and lynch scum. For those of you who thinks like toad. Do you want to potentially waste two lynches where the gain was to kill a third party? proceed as normal and lynch scum.also toad, your 3 lynch candiates contain 2 townies and a third party. nice. Lets lynch forumite or jayjay!
He proceeded to vote Rayzoer and chaoser, the scummier choice near the end of day 3.
He also OMGUS'ed pretty much everyone who was on the Radfield lynch the following night, when we posted our viglists. He fished for Toads townlist (why, so you could see if there were any scum on it that your team didn't have to protect?)
His vote for today is currently on Kurumi.
So who should we lynch out of these two, I see both as valid choices, and neither have ever mentioned the other as a possible scummember (risk did his, vote, vote, vote (hold) post, but that doesn't mean anything). I think both are scums.
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Hey Palmar and Adam. I trust your guys judgement in this game. And you might be right on VE, but I am not sold. Why VE over hiro or risk?
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On February 16 2012 21:33 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I can out the entire scum team now.
With that information, do we still want to waste today's lynch on catwoman, and let her kill townies as we round up the scums over the next 4 days?
Out the entire scumteam now. CW should not get lynched today, period.
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Oh, Adam, you are so wrong about me...
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BTW, worst case scenario if we lynch Catwomen today we lose after night 5. There are 4 scums left, 2 third parties and 9 townies. IF we don't lynch scum today and scum hits with all their killpoints at night we are as I said dead after night 5.
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Give me the complete list of 6 people then, and I will consolidate and end this game right now.
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Or to hell with it, I am to pissed off to wait for it. Anyone not having me at 100% townie by now is pissing me off. I am going to claim my role. Remember this Adam, you made me do this. You pissed me off!
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How the hell do you guys see me as anything besides 100% townie after I have been right on every fucking lynch this far! It is beyond me!
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