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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 09 2012 16:07 GMT
#1633
Schworz, can you confirm that you have no special dt flavor that would impact your results and that you received an alignment, not a role last night?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 09 2012 21:51 GMT
#1727
On February 09 2012 18:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I ask BC "Is there any possibility that our role PMs are not completely true? Can somebody get a result other than "ROLE" by DT checking me?" and he says No.


Schworz

Could you please address this issue? You have failed to comment on it when it is clearly relevant.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#1762
lol it would be hilariously depressing if the scum team decided to dt check sheth and it came back miller XD
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 10 2012 16:40 GMT
#1864
On February 11 2012 01:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Fuck it, lynch me if you will, but either you re CW and trying to test me if I am Two-Face, or you play surprisingly bad as town.
CW is my humble opinion.
I think you thought I was extremely stupid to claim Two-Face, and you would put it beyond noobiness or whatever and FORGOT even to DT me in your efforts to appear town.
So now, I am not even sure if I die tonight.


You sure do like to talk about catwomen don't you :/

On February 10 2012 04:48 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So, the check should be real. However, you can just ignore it, Rad s check hasn t been scoffed at as was mine.


You've dodged the question 3-4 times now. DrH said that all dt's return role not alignment to dt checks. You gave us a alignment, but not a role. Could you please respond? You're not being very transparent right now.

BM, for someone who mentioned how he couldn't wait to roll town, you sure haven't done much scumhunting. You also mentioned that you rarely read the thread as scum. It takes more than a name claim to prove you are town.

@Palmar. I like a chaoser lynch too. He appeared to have something invested in the CC day one lynch, although we will have to probably wait to see if Sheth's flip makes that relevant.

Kurumi, day one you claimed vigilante, but the number of possible roles you could be is running pretty thin. I think we need to revisit your name claim in the near future.

Did I miss anyone who claimed a hit?
Jackal - Mafia kp
DrH- ??
Radfield- ??
schworz- ??
kenpachi - Harley Quinn
Slardar - Penguin

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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 11 2012 23:48 GMT
#2297
On February 12 2012 08:44 layabout wrote:
He isn't here.
This Kitaman27 is scum


It's because he is busy playing irc mafia. You should too.

(I'll respond later)
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 12 2012 04:00 GMT
#2312
Layabout, I'll respond to some of your posts if I survive the night. I'm afraid I'd run out of time getting this in before the deadline if I wasted time responding to you. It should also be noted that I haven't had a great chance to read through the thread after the Sheth flip. Most of these reads have been just filter searching without the context of the entire thread in mind.

The badguys:
ico/rayzorflash
chaoser or bugs (possibly both)
evantrees
jaybrundage
Palmar
Radfield


chaoser
When the lynch was between Sheth and Cyber, he never mentions Sheth's name once. For a lynch that seems evenly split, it is certainly strange that he doesn't have an opinion. He have been going after all the wrong people. He has a theme of picking apart poorly constructed ideas or posts, but none of his posts add much value to the thread. It feels to me that he is more interested in complaining about the state of the thread or defending himself than finding scum. I think he would be a good lynch tomorrow.

ico/rayzorflash:
I made a case earlier and his replacement hasn't really changed my mind. Look at the way he talks about Sheth:

On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt.


Willing to call him scum (because he knows he is), but unwilling to vote for him. I think he is a good secondary lynch candidate tomorrow.

wherebugsgo:
I'm running out of time to get this in before the deadline so I won't develop an entire case just yet, but he has been off his game thus far. He starts off with a forced case on schworz, which reminds me of the LSB case in Responsibility Mafia. He hard defends the sheth lynch against CC. As a mafia player, I don't think he has any problem sticking up for a scumbuddy if need be. The don't lynch sheth nonsense on day two reminds me of how he tried to dispute the role cop claim in couples mafia. He's willing to push a scum objective when most people would think "scum would never do that". I'll have to reevaluate him in the near future.

jaybrundage

He doesn't really have many posts to go by. His biggest post is essentially just a summary of what is going on. I found it funny that he posted this a few hours before the deadline when its like 20 votes for sheth and 2 votes for random other people. Who exactly were you trying to convice?

On February 11 2012 09:49 jaybrundage wrote:
I also think the sheth lynch is the way to go. No reason to hold it off
[/b]

evantrees:
Nothing in his filter really shows that he cares about town. His vote on CC is really spontaneous and he doesn't seem to give an adequate reason.

Radfield:

I don't see town motivation for his dt claim. A detective's biggest fear is the roleblock. Why claim after one check if you're going to be useless for the rest of the game? A town detective would push the lynch without claiming, which doesn't totally shut down discussion for the day, gives the town more information since the lynch isn't set in stone and protects his identity from rb. To me, the claim seems like an attempt at gaining town cred. Claiming the hit likely makes him third party, but with the scum medic/scum vet possibility, I'd reevaluate the possibility that he could be scum down the road.

Palmar:
Lying, trolling, and spamming. He is destroying the thread with nonsense. I still don't see him as town. His claimed shot on radfield makes third party a strong possibility. I just wish that he could go about his business without posting.

Possible Others:
kurumi: fake vig claim
Adam: not quite sure I have a good reason.
BM: Similarities in playstyle to L
opz: I've enjoyed the roleplaying, but have no idea what his alignment is
There are several players whose filters I haven't read in a good 72 hours.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 12 2012 05:48 GMT
#2333
lol looks like bugs received a visit from batman. opz seems like a likely catwomen shot, though I suppose it could be mafia. We're either missing 1 or 2 kp depending on if DrH was double stacked or not.

You going to claim roleblock radfield?

Looks like we have our two lynch candidates for today. chaoser vs RayzorFlash
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 17:16 GMT
#2836
Apologies for my absence. I've been without internet for the last 24 hours. I tried to stop by the library yesterday, but all the computers were taken and I didn't stick around to wait. Funny that I'm apparently suddenly scum because I go half a day without posting. Since when have I ever been an afk scum? I already gave you guys the list of bad guys, what more do you want? I could spam up the thread and make a new fake claim every few hours if that would make everyone feel better.

The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny.

The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol
He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol
His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol
He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol
He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol

Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well.

In response to layabout:
I never voted for VE because it was a random vote hours into the game to promote discussion. At the end of the day, I'm voting for ico, the person I think most likely to flip scum.

You attack me for mentioning that I don't think CC suggests a plan as scum. It may not be a common theme for games you've played in, but its a heuristic that seems to work pretty well. So what exactly is my motivation? I'm explaining why I'm unwilling to vote for CC. You would think giving people are reason not to vote for him would give me townie points not scum points.

I don't really follow your discussion about kurumi. He fake claims vig, I pushed him for a name claim because I thought he was lying. (Turns out he was) Does that make him scum? Maybe, not really looking at him at the moment.

How exactly was I supposed to explain my stance on Sheth? There was a red dt check. Not really much to discuss. Fake dt claims don't make sense in those kind of situations. You're trying to say that I was pushing a chaoser lynch instead of a Sheth lynch? lol. Sheth obviously was flipping. It was like 22v2. My discussion about a chaoser lynch was for subsequent days. This point is silly.

I like an evantrees lynch.
-He accuses CC as being catwomen and states that he plans to vote for him. Scum know that he can't be scum, so they accuse their suspects of being third party.
-When actually voting for CC, he uses the phrase "bah" as if he doesn't want to vote or is being bullied into voting. This was the guy you just said you wanted lynched hours earlier wasn't it?
-He votes Schworz on early day two. Scum know that DrH can't possibly be red. I think everyone should go back and read the Schworz-DrH exchange and take a look at who has additional knowledge of the situation.

I must have missed something. Why does everyone consider chaoser green/blue? I can't seem to find where Schworz gives the result of his check. This is the guy that fake claimed the day one check. Why is anything he says actually taken at face-value?

If not evantrees I think I'd still prefer rayzorflash or chaoser. I was kinda spooked when evantrees asks a question about a scum role in green, but scum have done that plenty of times in the past (I hate when they do -_-)
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 17:33 GMT
#2848
On February 14 2012 02:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
Hey speaking of the devil well timed bro.

so what's your stance on lynching batman, you're a vet, you'll have reason.

Lynching Palmar as batman to save joker? good? bad?

Also evantrees is still not a good choice he voted rG when it was time to vote him, he votes sheth immediatly he calls WBG scum. HIs post seem towny too. A coinflip at best.


There is no way we should lynch the batman. He doesn't win until he finds Hugo. He might even shoot into some other scum in the process. We should focus on lynching scum to snowball the information. Catwoman is a bit tougher, but I'd still prefer to find another scum before we lynch into her.

The only reason I'd want to lynch Palmar is if I though he was scum. It is certainly possible he is trying to make everyone believe he is third party, but I'd rather lynch into my list first. It's unfortunate that we lose the Joker, but Batman should know he has to find Hugo first in order to protect himself from a scum majority.

I don't think voting Sheth immediately matters one way or another. There was a red dt check on him. He does call WBG scum, but he doesn't actually follow through with it. Why is he voting CC if bugs is his scumread? I might make a more detailed case on Rayzor or chaoser if I have time. No promises though.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#2856
On February 14 2012 02:37 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 02:33 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 14 2012 02:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
Hey speaking of the devil well timed bro.

so what's your stance on lynching batman, you're a vet, you'll have reason.

Lynching Palmar as batman to save joker? good? bad?

Also evantrees is still not a good choice he voted rG when it was time to vote him, he votes sheth immediatly he calls WBG scum. HIs post seem towny too. A coinflip at best.


There is no way we should lynch the batman. He doesn't win until he finds Hugo. He might even shoot into some other scum in the process. We should focus on lynching scum to snowball the information. Catwoman is a bit tougher, but I'd still prefer to find another scum before we lynch into her.

The only reason I'd want to lynch Palmar is if I though he was scum. It is certainly possible he is trying to make everyone believe he is third party, but I'd rather lynch into my list first. It's unfortunate that we lose the Joker, but Batman should know he has to find Hugo first in order to protect himself from a scum majority.

I don't think voting Sheth immediately matters one way or another. There was a red dt check on him. He does call WBG scum, but he doesn't actually follow through with it. Why is he voting CC if bugs is his scumread? I might make a more detailed case on Rayzor or chaoser if I have time. No promises though.


alright, I asked for your advice. I think you are a vet and know what to do.

##unvote


Don't try to sheep onto me. Vote giving your own reasons.

On February 14 2012 02:37 Jayjay54 wrote:
I still don't agree on evantrees, however. What about NUKE, I made a case, if you want to have a look. I still think he's the best lynch of the lurk fraction.


I'd be much more open to lynching you than risk. There was an error in the votecount. Risk voted for sheth on day one making it something like 9v7 in favor of Sheth. Why are you unwilling to vote evantrees who called bugs scum, yet so willing to lynch risk, who called Sheth scum. Could you explain your preference?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#2857
Scum coming out in full force to get Radfield lynched? lol
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 17:55 GMT
#2862
On February 14 2012 02:52 Jayjay54 wrote:
as to why nuke >> evantrees:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&currentpage=139#2776


I don't find much value in that case. Why don't you take into account his vote on Sheth? Instead, you make it out to seem like a bad thing. What do you think about Rayzor and chaoser?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 18:10 GMT
#2873
On February 14 2012 03:04 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 02:55 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 14 2012 02:52 Jayjay54 wrote:
as to why nuke >> evantrees:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&currentpage=139#2776


I don't find much value in that case. Why don't you take into account his vote on Sheth? Instead, you make it out to seem like a bad thing. What do you think about Rayzor and chaoser?


He votes after the DT check, same as evantrees. There is basically nothing to take into account, because he was 100% bussed (which negates evantree towntell as well at this point). I just don't like the "funny" sentence. Also, he is the most active lurker and hasn't done shit. He is much less coinflip to me than evan. He only jumps out to defend himself.
[/quote]

He votes Sheth on day one too? That's kinda a big thing to miss...


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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 18:28 GMT
#2887
On February 14 2012 03:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 03:10 kitaman27 wrote:
He votes Sheth on day one too? That's kinda a big thing to miss...


I missed it cause it didn't happen


It did happen.

On February 08 2012 07:23 risk.nuke wrote:
I think the people voting for sheth are greener then the people voting for cc,
changing my pointless vote on toad to sheth.


On February 08 2012 07:22 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth


There was a mistake in the voting count, but I'd at least think you would have read all his posts.

Radfield is not getting lynched today

The point of the game is not to confirm whether or not Palmar is a third party. The point of the game is to lynch scum. It doesn't give us tons of information.

Do you guys really not care about lynching scum? We have a scum contested lynch on day one and a second red flip on day two and you guys are more interested in killing off the guy who provided a red check? Cmon now.

I'm stuck writing up my 3k post, but I'll be back in a bit. Don't say anything I'd want to respond to in the meantime -_-
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 20:47 GMT
#2983
The case on ico/rayzorflash

We have to lynch base on the day one Sheth vs CC results. It was just too close to ignore and is the most solid piece of evidence we have so far. Anyone on Radfield should be switching off, else I'm just going to assume you're scum.

On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
Cyber_Cheese actually makes a decent vote, I'll repeat myself and say how scummy I find him being very active during a time he excused himself for prior. He is also fishing for the Joker. And he enabled DoctorSpamalot going on and on about batman, littering the thread. After his vote on RG gains some following he vanishes.


Here is his entire case for voting for cyber_cheese. Essentially it boils down to CC posting more than expected and promoting a poor plan with the joker claim. For someone who is so willing to criticize others play, this sure does seem like a weak reason.

On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt.


ico is willing to call Sheth scummy, but is unwilling to actually vote for Sheth. The easiest way to comment on a fellow scum buddy is either to provide a null read or state that he is scummy, but there are better alternatives. We've got both here.

ico is replaced on day two by rayzorflash. He is willing to vote for Sheth after the dt check, but that doesn't say all that much.

On February 12 2012 14:14 RayzorFlash wrote:
Beautiful delicious concrete information as opposed to speculation. Time to go back to WBG's filter and analyze analyze analyze...


After the bugs flip, he wants us all to know that he is going to go through bug's filter. So what have you learned? What conclusions did your analysis give us? He fails to ever follow up with this point.

On February 12 2012 14:26 RayzorFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 14:19 chaoser wrote:
ico/rayzorflash is mafia


chaoser is mafia


Next comes his interaction with chaoser, his one and only mafia suspect. Never does Rayzor actually provide a case. When faced with Schworz's "check", he immediately backs off. For someone who is your lead scum suspect, why are you so willing to believe this? Schworz never even stated the result of his check, yet you're clearly willing to accept it.

On February 14 2012 02:44 RayzorFlash wrote:
My problem with a hiro lynch is that even if he is mafia, which i think is decently likely, it gives us next to no real info... I'd rather lynch radfield/palmar... I actually wouldnt mind a palmar lynch just because his posts and claims have started to give me.a headache,lol...

##vote: Radfield


Finally, rather than searching for an alternative candidate, he jumps on the radfield/palmar wagon. He doesn't even call either of them scum. He is willing to trust Schworz the proven liar as a detective, but not Radfield, the guy who claimed the Sheth check?

RayzorFlash is scum. You should be voting him.

##vote RayzorFlash
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 21:03 GMT
#2989
On February 14 2012 05:58 Radfield wrote:
Actually, this is why I thought that:

Show nested quote +
Kitaman Wrote: The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny.

The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol
He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol
His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol
He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol
He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol

Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well.


What happened Kita, got cold feet? From what I can see there you should be dead set on lynching me, yet now you are pushing to keep me alive. Care to explain?


I just don't buy that your Calendar Man (I'm still not sure that he is even a real batman villian :p).

Just because I think you're likely black, doesn't mean we can't coexist as long as you're benefiting town as well. I'm looking for red

What do you think about my case on Rayzor?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 21:28 GMT
#2999
On February 14 2012 06:24 Forumite wrote:
Unless a medic comes forward and claims the protect on Radfield N1, then I think we should go through with the Radfield lynch. This doesn´t feel like we´re a lynching a Townie.


I was leaning town on you, but posts like these make me sad
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 21:38 GMT
#3003
On February 14 2012 06:31 layabout wrote:
Does anybody object to lynching Tyrran or Evantrees?


Would you be willing to make a case? I have no idea why Tyrran wasn't on my list from last night. Must have got him confused with the other T's

Back in a bit.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 23:03 GMT
#3015
On February 14 2012 07:46 Forumite wrote:
It´s late, and I don´t think I´ll be around again before the lynch. If you change the lynch then fine, I still think lynching Radfield is the way to go. Leaving my vote on him.

If you do change the lynch, please consider jaybrundage, or maybe Rayzorflash. They are my strongest scumreads after Radfield right now.


Please move off radfield if you won't be back. You're going to put yourself in a bad spot late game if you don't.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#3017
Sigh I'm surrounded by trolls.

chaoser, you around? You may be scum, but at least you're a logical scum. -_-
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