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On February 21 2012 19:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
In general, setup thoughts are stuck in my head. I know, that I can't really go from it, but I somehow don't believe there are all 4 vets in this game? I also believe deadpool's role went to someone experienced...I just have this in the back of my mind.
I can only hope rG will flip deadshot.
I am not experienced, this is my 5th game of mafia.
Everyone told me after my first game to be more confident, push my reads when I had them.
They were just completely wrong this game.
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rG's claim would have you believe that the scum shot at Hiro and Quails, Forumite fragged himself on rG and rayzor died to the riddler game.
Out of everyone in this game, Hiro is the LAST person scum would have shot, as we all considered him scum.
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On February 21 2012 20:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Nothing I say will be able to convince you that I am not scum after the last 48 hours.
I was too gullible, assumed rG was town and that Hiro would flip scum.
My thought process was that the last scum was hiding among either yourself or Katina, and that 'tomorrow' (this day) would involve random votes flinging everywhere and result in a mislynch.
I have been a complete fool this game. All I can offer you right now is that rG is undoubtedly scum, since he claimed a hit.
I truly do apologize to the entire town for this one.
As you see, adam, I haven't voted you yet. I said yesterday that I try to see every angle. This especially applies in LYLO. Let's think this through.
Assumption: You believed rg is town (Although I pointed out several times that your "townproof" for him was flawed). And you believe hiro is scum.
a) Why not shoot hiro/scum and remove his vote, if you are afraid of a mislynch?
b) Where is evantrees in this calculation? Was he town as well? If so, why?
c) Why did you decide to shoot me? Forumite had a townread on me at the beginning and a scum read on katina. Why me? Because I wasn't there to defend myself? Because I wasn't on the Rad lynch?
I am trying to make this work adam, but I can't see any town-motivated reason in this. It feels so much like a scum-game-winning final effort...
In other news:
If rg called a shot, that's one lie too many. He lied a billion times this game, no lie was townfavored. The only lie which actually would have been town-favored (freeze protecting two-face, possible game-changer), was crushed by him. I doubt that Deadshot would falseclaim DT that easily, though.
PS: I just reread my recent posts...sorry for grammar errors and stuff. English is obviously my second language. Combining angry typing and the lack of an edit function results in mistakes...
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On February 21 2012 20:50 Adam4167 wrote:
rG's claim would have you believe that the scum shot at Hiro and Quails, Forumite fragged himself on rG and rayzor died to the riddler game.
Out of everyone in this game, Hiro is the LAST person scum would have shot, as we all considered him scum.
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this doesn't work.
4 persons died to penguin, 2xscum, riddler.
as long as no other vig fired around (are you by chance a vig rg :D ) and riddler's list was correct, there were just 4 KPs and no room for an additional shot on rg.
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rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling
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On February 21 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling
fragged himself? like modkill or something? We know penguins role message and it doesn't mention that he has a passive or can kill himself.
also, please respond to my post on your try to get me vigged.
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[QUOTE]On February 21 2012 20:58 Jayjay54 wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 21 2012 20:33 Adam4167 wrote:
a) Why not shoot hiro/scum and remove his vote, if you are afraid of a mislynch?
b) Where is evantrees in this calculation? Was he town as well? If so, why?
c) Why did you decide to shoot me? Forumite had a townread on me at the beginning and a scum read on katina. Why me? .[/QUOTE]
a) I wanted to remove the guess work out of which one of you or Katina was the final scum. If Forumite vigged you and you flipped scum, then we would lynch Hiro and GG this. If you flipped town, we would lynch hiro, and then by the process of elimination, lynch Katina tomorrow.
b) Evantrees is another claim I just took as gospel. Stupidly. I see now that he is probably not Bane, and the reason JB's claim was so bad is that he wanted to get caught to semi-confirm evantrees.
c) I mentioned why I chose you to Forumite. The entire scum team had tried to get Palmar hanged at some point throughout this game, you had, Katina hadn't. I figured it was a collaborative scum effort to get rid of Palmar, after they realized he was batman.
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On February 21 2012 21:11 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling fragged himself? like modkill or something? We know penguins role message and it doesn't mention that he has a passive or can kill himself. also, please respond to my post on your try to get me vigged.
No, rG is claiming he has a return-damage attack, just like Tunkeg had in his role description
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On February 21 2012 21:13 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 21:11 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 21 2012 21:07 Adam4167 wrote:
rG is claiming that Forumite changed his vig shot, shot at rG instead, and fragged himself, just like tunkegs passive.
Its completely bullcrap, Forumite specifically called his shot on Hiro. I get the feeling rG isn't even reading the thread, as why he would try to push a lynch on you after my behavior in the last two days is mind boggling fragged himself? like modkill or something? We know penguins role message and it doesn't mention that he has a passive or can kill himself. also, please respond to my post on your try to get me vigged. No, rG is claiming he has a return-damage attack, just like Tunkeg had in his role description
i see. bullshit. with no scum medic around forumite has no reason to fakecall his shot.
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On February 21 2012 20:58 Jayjay54 wrote:
PS: I just reread my recent posts...sorry for grammar errors and stuff. English is obviously my second language. Combining angry typing and the lack of an edit function results in mistakes...
You have every right to be completely pissed and shouldn't apologize in the slightest.
I took too many assumptions this game and tried to get you killed as a result.
You'll be even more pissed at me after my flip and you see what a complete moron ive been, I put Hiro to shame.
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On February 21 2012 21:12 Adam4167 wrote:
a) I wanted to remove the guess work out of which one of you or Katina was the final scum. If Forumite vigged you and you flipped scum, then we would lynch Hiro and GG this. If you flipped town, we would lynch hiro, and then by the process of elimination, lynch Katina tomorrow.
b) Evantrees is another claim I just took as gospel. Stupidly. I see now that he is probably not Bane, and the reason JB's claim was so bad is that he wanted to get caught to semi-confirm evantrees.
c) I mentioned why I chose you to Forumite. The entire scum team had tried to get Palmar hanged at some point throughout this game, you had, Katina hadn't. I figured it was a collaborative scum effort to get rid of Palmar, after they realized he was batman.
If I flipped town, you would have been in the same situation as we are in now. 3-2. only that the follow up lynch (hiro) would be game winning. That by itself shows that your logic makes no sense. If you see a scum, shoot him. with 4-1 you easily could have lynched me / katina the next day.
Evantrees claim is still as good as it was before JB (who was probably doomed to riddler) claimed. I don't get why you just believe every claim. You immediatly saw Toad being Joker, but insta-believe those claims? You're better than that...
I knew that Palmar was batman and I pointed out, why I wanted him dead. He killed VE + Toad and left. Toad could have killed VE too and would have drawn scum shots (I didn't know we have only one med). I didn't know Rad was red at this point. In general killing batman to save Toad is still a valid play IMO.
It is very hard for me right now to buy that you were that naive and not just are scum who tried to end the game right there...
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My logic was that we would be in a 3-2 situation, with 2 confirmed scums (Hiro and Katina).
I only saw Toad being Joker because ive played Arkham City, and I knew that Joker had 'hired' Clayface to stand in for him.
I truly was that Naive, I bought into rG's crappy story from the very start. I assumed he was just really bad townie, since its only his second game.
I understand that you probably cant get past this. I knew exactly how it looked after Hiro's flip, my heart sank.
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On February 21 2012 21:31 Adam4167 wrote:
My logic was that we would be in a 3-2 situation, with 2 confirmed scums (Hiro and Katina).
I only saw Toad being Joker because ive played Arkham City, and I knew that Joker had 'hired' Clayface to stand in for him.
I truly was that Naive, I bought into rG's crappy story from the very start. I assumed he was just really bad townie, since its only his second game.
I understand that you probably cant get past this. I knew exactly how it looked after Hiro's flip, my heart sank.
I only mentioned the joker, because you immediately saw that his claim is true. You applied good reasoning there and throughout the game. When I see good reasoning, I expect that player to to do this on every occasion. I believe that this is a good way to catch scum. They have trouble to justify all their ill-reads with good logic...
well, at least you are in luck for today. there is a person who looks even more scummy then you (especially looking at the entire game).
rg:
Did you seriously claim a shot?
Why do you want to see me dead?
You lied about a) being a DT (2x) b) having a red check on doc c) being med-protected night one d) being hit today. Do you think anyone starts to believe your calls when you lie all the time? How is this town-favored?
get in this thread and defend yourself. you are not looking good...
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FWIW, if a scum had claimed that he 'hired' someone, I would have fallen for it there as well =/
rG needs to die, he is clear scum. But I think after this, me, you and the last scum are probably going to LYLO.
I cant see how I can talk you out of lynching me in that position, regardless of who the third person is.
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On February 21 2012 22:06 Adam4167 wrote:
FWIW, if a scum had claimed that he 'hired' someone, I would have fallen for it there as well =/
rG needs to die, he is clear scum. But I think after this, me, you and the last scum are probably going to LYLO.
I cant see how I can talk you out of lynching me in that position, regardless of who the third person is.
the whole conversation between Doc and Toad made it 99% legit, it wasn't just the keyword. Your read was fine there, which makes your reads on evantrees and rg yesterday so hard to understand...
If rg doesn't get in here and gives a miracle defense, he needs to die, yes. He'll probably just case-less OMGUS me.
Should we be in LYLO tomorrow and you and I are still alive, I will reconsider depending on who's with us. There is a lot of WIFOM involved regarding who will be nightkilled...your recent actions makes it hard for me to not see you as scum right now, however.
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You lied about a) being a DT (2x) b) having a red check on doc c) being med-protected night one d) being hit today.
None of the last ones.
I took a shot N1.
My ability was still on.
I assumed I was med-protected.
Forumite said he would hit me.
Well, look at what happened to him.
Anyone else wanna hit me?
I am confirmed.
I survived a shot.
I am a vet since there isnt any medic in the game anymore.
Believe me or lynch the wrong person.
BTW, were at LYLO, so 1 town must vote town and were doomed.
You have to choose.
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And be as naive as you will, I do still care a bit about the game but I know that I wont be able to influence scum.
So that leaves the 2 townies that are left.Which are currently against me.
I propose a massclaim.
It is time.
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On February 22 2012 02:44 rgTheSchworz wrote:
You lied about a) being a DT (2x) b) having a red check on doc c) being med-protected night one d) being hit today.
None of the last ones.
I took a shot N1.
My ability was still on.
I assumed I was med-protected.
Forumite said he would hit me.
Well, look at what happened to him.
Anyone else wanna hit me?
I am confirmed.
I survived a shot.
I am a vet since there isnt any medic in the game anymore.
Believe me or lynch the wrong person.
BTW, were at LYLO, so 1 town must vote town and were doomed.
You have to choose.
we only had one medic. BM. If we had a second one, penguin and two-face wouldn't be dead. BM said who he protected. Layabout. So yes, you lied about being saved N1.
Were does the additional KP come from? You claim that forumite was actually shooting you in spite of saying he shot hiro and you have a passive ability which killed penguin???
4 People died. 2 to scum, 1 to penguin and one to riddler. You can't be shot....So no. Actually you just continue to lie to forceconfirm you. and I don believe you.
Again: Where is this 5th KP coming from?
Also, you propose a mass claim? With 5 people left? I don't even....
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On February 21 2012 09:31 Forumite wrote:
Nah, too complicated. I´m shooting Hiro, and let the survivors puzzle together who is the last scum.
On February 21 2012 10:16 Forumite wrote:
Making it clear to everyone, I´m shooting Hiro.
you, good sir, have lied one too many times.
##vote rgTheSchworz
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are you even following the thread in the slightest?
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