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I really don't see why you're making a big deal out of this chaoser / layabout...
What's the problem? You're making it look like a ninja-voted (which I did not!) 10 seconds before deadline. I changed my vote because I thought Chaoser is mafia as well and I'm fine going after the big fish.
You're making it look like I'm lying when I said that I thought chaoser is mafia as well. What's the big deal about that? Think I'm trying to get towncred telling people I KNEW ALL ALONG HE'S MAFIA afterwards? Oh guess saying that is not a good idea is it? If you end up mafia I am one of the guys who swapped early which is not a problem for me. If you end up town I do see a problem with your logic because obviously I can't go for towncred if I am lynching a townie now can I?
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On February 11 2012 03:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:27 chaoser wrote:On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.How is that a ninja vote. You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did. I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways. You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT. We ended up lynching CC. How is that contradicting ANYTHING I SAID. Again I am vocal about those people I think might end up being an option for our lynch. CC ended up lynched. Yes I was wrong about him but what's the deal there?Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote:
not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:I'd like to hear why you think layabout is town Palmar. Not sure if you're going to reply but I might as well just try and post a bit: He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] +On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote:
please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote:
Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled?
+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote:
lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:if anybody need help organising their thoughts i have a pretty useful MS paint template: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q9mkP.png) Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler +sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie? Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 07 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad'
you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing.
that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1.And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=509&topic_id=305850You even say: Show nested quote +It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2? Sry I was busy figuring the shit out that I created yesterday. I was talking with / about Schworz a lot and that had absolute priority for me and I'm still not sure what to think about himlol ok.
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fine we still got a DT check from Batman on Sheth. It's not like that's a bad thing to lynch either. I don't agree with Palmars different scenarios he did in his case against Chaoser but I do agree with lynching Chaoser. That being said I don't think it's that unlikely that both sheth and Chaoser are red and therefore I'm back on sheth TO MAKE YOU GUYS HAPPY...
unvote
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I take it you're not taking this seriously. Just a friendly reminder: Out-of Game betting games are not allowed by rules and the last guy who did that was modkilled for that although he apparently thought it was a joke.
Just cut these things out no matter if they're supposed to be funny or not. Mods don't really tend to like that.
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9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
That's what I'm talking about. Stop it, I don't want to have modkills, kkthxbye
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On February 11 2012 05:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm reading everything, and like I said, I think lynching me is optimal at this point. We'll get to either kill radfield or I'm a miller. You will find out a lot from this, and before I die I'll give you all my reads on everyone. Please at least take the time to read them. I know you can do it town, keep in mind those who push for lynches, but not because they look scummy. (I feel like this is the best way to find the third party and you can then tell them apart from mafia as well).
did you see the picture layabout did? You could make a picture like that as well or make an excel sheet with 31 names, and give everyone a different color. I'm not going to link you my sheet but I can show my explanation on the right side
+ Show Spoiler [click me!] +
Those blue things are obviously something you should leave out. They're for me to keep track of all those blue slips to figure out why someone is doing something. However telling mafia who blueslipped is not a useful talent toi have so just use green for those people like they never said a word about blues.
That would be pretty useful and a little text for everyone if you want to do that as well. Not a huge essay/case but maybe one or two phrases. If someone is a null just leave them white or whatever. Also I don't think telling us your green reads is bad at this moment because we're lynching you for a reason but if you don't want to tell mafia who's your strongest green read (they might kill him just because of that the next night) just use the same color for everyone you think is green, no matter if he is "slighty leaning green" or "confirmed green" in your opinion.
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On February 11 2012 05:45 layabout wrote:
Why would a townie ever need to speculate about who is town aligned and blue?
Only mafia/3rd party need to find town blues.
Town need to find scum.
I do that all the time to understand why someone is doing something. Also I don't want people to trust fake-claim medics who is telling everyone "noone but me needs to protect Jackal because I'm an unroleblockable medic" and because of that our blue roles get slaughered.
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On February 11 2012 05:53 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 05:35 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 05:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm reading everything, and like I said, I think lynching me is optimal at this point. We'll get to either kill radfield or I'm a miller. You will find out a lot from this, and before I die I'll give you all my reads on everyone. Please at least take the time to read them. I know you can do it town, keep in mind those who push for lynches, but not because they look scummy. (I feel like this is the best way to find the third party and you can then tell them apart from mafia as well). did you see the picture layabout did? You could make a picture like that as well or make an excel sheet with 31 names, and give everyone a different color. I'm not going to link you my sheet but I can show my explanation on the right side + Show Spoiler [click me!] +Those blue things are obviously something you should leave out. They're for me to keep track of all those blue slips to figure out why someone is doing something. However telling mafia who blueslipped is not a useful talent toi have so just use green for those people like they never said a word about blues. That would be pretty useful and a little text for everyone if you want to do that as well. Not a huge essay/case but maybe one or two phrases. If someone is a null just leave them white or whatever. Also I don't think telling us your green reads is bad at this moment because we're lynching you for a reason but if you don't want to tell mafia who's your strongest green read (they might kill him just because of that the next night) just use the same color for everyone you think is green, no matter if he is "slighty leaning green" or "confirmed green" in your opinion. you have a 11 color scheme in an 31 player game?  neat
well it's only 7 without gray and blue (I added those after the big shitstorm) and in reality those "confirmed" colors never get used at all. That's like a 10.0 score at platform diving. Sure it may be possible in theory but there's noone claiming mafia in this thread.
Those are mostly for my "dead people and flips"-list.
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On February 11 2012 07:18 jaybrundage wrote:
If Rg is not dead tonight i think we should lynch him.
He has distracted the town and done a great job with it lied about alot of things. If there any redeeming town in his play at all I dont see it.
Disagree for several reasons:
1) Don't say those things. If he ends up town mafia just won't shoot him at all, get a free kill and another 3 free night kills because they know he's not mafia and that we're going to lynch him wasting another day. You're basicly forcing our vigs to shoot him and I don't like the way you're doing it.
2) He could end up flipping town. I was wrong saying there is literally no possibility. I think he called bullshit on me and made that DT check up because he got the conclusion that it's the right thing to do for whatever reason.
I could see a couple of reasons for that and he did not answer my question but I realised that if my guess was wrong and he would have told me an answer that is not my name he's activly telling me another blue role when he's actually not sure I am town at all. I did not think of that possibility at all. Massive fail on my side and actually nice he figured it out lol.
So not telling me what he did yesterday is bad for me because I still am not sure what happened but it's reasonable in his situation if he really is a townie.
I'd say we wait for d3 before we start talking about schworz again. We desperatly need information, for that reason I disagree with Palmar and I now agree that lynching sheth is better than lynching Chaoser altough I only voted sheth back than because there was no way to get chaoser lynched instead. However the fact that chaoser wants me to lynch sheth so badly is troublesome for me, maybe he's bussing his buddy idk.
If sheth flips (true)-VT we lynch Radfield. Everything else is up for discussion once we see the flip imo.
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On February 11 2012 07:29 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 07:27 jaybrundage wrote:
IF catwomen doesnt kill you, you are not twoface. I think your scum because of your constant lying and He's a vet.
I'd say he's a DT that is not Two-face and found something that's not fitting with his reads and therefore made up another read the concluded out of the first one because the first one somehow made him think someone is mafia.
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On February 11 2012 07:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 07:29 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 07:27 jaybrundage wrote:
IF catwomen doesnt kill you, you are not twoface. I think your scum because of your constant lying and He's a vet. I'd say he's a DT that is not Two-face and found something that's not fitting with his reads and therefore made up another read the concluded out of the first one because the first one somehow made him think someone is mafia.
that is of course, only if he's not red/catwoman.
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On February 11 2012 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad - what are your thoughts on the following people? Opz, Palmar, chaoser, WBG and hiro protagonist?
mafia, thirdparty or blue, mafia, town, mafia.
I might be wrong on palmar but If I am I am wrong on most of my reads I guess and will know soon enough.
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On February 11 2012 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
well
I am retarded
we all know that. Radfield is confirmed "not-mafia" for now. It could be possible that he's mafia and knew that we're going to lynch sheth anyways, therefore he faked a DT-check on someone he knew the result to get towncred himself buuuuut I don't really the a reason for that scenario to happen yet.
I'd say we're all happy now and live on in peace until d3. That's another big day.
Still think Chaoser is probably scum and I as I mentioned I disagree with Palmars scenarios he did. Those scenarios are btw a bad thing for town to do according to my very first coach from my very verst game of mafia. Or it was my 2nd game of mafia but I'm pretty sure wbg gave me that advice because those scenarios make town derp way to much.
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On February 11 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
Talk to me Toad.
I'm going to shoot you tonight.
? I just woke up, could you direct me to the post that you did? Also I don't care, I'm still immortal so if you don't want to waste that shot I'd say you shoot someone else.
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oh that's all you said. Lol I thought there was something else going on.
What about this Palmar: I'm going to shoot Chaoser tonight and you could join me! If he gets medic protected or is a mafia vet he's done for.
I really don't think your shot is unblockable at all, however I believe you when you're saying you got multiple shots because you said that a lot and I even quoted that earlier when you claimed in the first place.
BM you better shoot tonight as well. I think the lists palmar and I did yesterday are both nice. Obviously mine is waaay more awesome but whatever. I could understand if you'd trust a vet instead of a guy who shot a townie n1.
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On February 11 2012 18:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 18:18 Toadesstern wrote:
oh that's all you said. Lol I thought there was something else going on.
What about this Palmar: I'm going to shoot Chaoser tonight and you could join me! If he gets medic protected or is a mafia vet he's done for.
I really don't think your shot is unblockable at all, however I believe you when you're saying you got multiple shots because you said that a lot and I even quoted that earlier when you claimed in the first place.
BM you better shoot tonight as well. I think the lists palmar and I did yesterday are both nice. Obviously mine is waaay more awesome but whatever. I could understand if you'd trust a vet instead of a guy who shot a townie n1. You should definitely shoot Chaoser tonight. Kitaman27 isn't a terrible target either. I'm going to kill you.
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On a more important sidenote: I want DocH to be protected tonight. That's the most important thing for tonight. I'm gone for now visiting my big sis but we need to think of a plan how to protect him without outing our medics and at the same time make sure that the medic I called out to protect him is actually in this game.
I'm considering telling you 2 names, if you're one of them you have to protect docH and he's proooobably going to have either 1 protection or 2 and I'm fine with both results.
After all, he's the only confirmed townie and there still was no counterclaim. So that confirmed really is confirmed to me.
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I am immortal. I don't believe you're unblockable, I do believe you might end up being a multishot vig. Even if it is unblockable my flavor tells me I'm fine.
I am worried because you're about to waste a bullet on a blue role that can't die tonight instead of shooting someone else, you know someone who's scummy and all but I'd say it's more likely that you're up to something than shooting me and in the offchances that you're not I'm still fine. No reason to be worried at all.
Ok that's it I'm afk for now. Will be re in about 2 hours I guess.
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at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.
I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.
Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.
Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that.
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On February 11 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker.
If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this.
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wtf are you doing DocH. Yes I am the joker, yes I claimed Two-Face. I figured batman would not think I am joker after that n1 claim because he must have thought my immortality claim was a lie and therefore joker would never claim Two-Face because he'd simply die to Catwoman.
That's all there was to it. Well and if CW shot me I would not care at all because again, except for the name (Two-Face) nothing I said was a lie. Jackal even figured it out or posted the important line while calling bullshit on me.
Also Schworz knows about my role. He asked me several things that are related to my role like "DocH, Toad is tricking you because he knows the pms. Toad just answer me this one: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn?".
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On February 11 2012 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:46 Palmar wrote:On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote:
at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.
I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.
Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.
Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight. Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid.
he did that on purpose because he knows I'm the joker and I really am immortal. He wanted to make me look like scum so I don't get shot or whatever. idk. Also since I am the joker palmar obviously is not the joker. Which either leaves us with another VIG or with him being Batman, which makes a whole lot of sense given Palmar was so freaked out when Rad announced a shot.
Remember,{b] Palmar claimed he shot Radfield[/b] and was SERIOUSLY asking wtf is going on because he thought rad should be dead by now. It's not THAT unlikely that a medic protects rad n1, is it? So Palmar really is a vig with unblockable hits or batman.
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