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On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time.
EBWOP
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On February 09 2012 20:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:02 Palmar wrote:
toadesstern/doch:
Assuming mafia got the role description of some/all blues. Is it possible that one of you could be mafia and abusing the fact they know the role description to fool the other? yes it would be possible if they got my role PM as well or the one I suspect doc to be.
oh actually no it's not possible because someone would read what DocH and I posted, would know himself that we're talking about his role if DocH was a mafia impersonating someone. That guy would counterclaim, I would know DocH is a liar and Schworz was right all along and we'd lynch DocH.
So far nothing like that happened.
Maybe Catwoman, Batman or the GF get to know the rolePM of those people they impersonate but still, we'd had a counterclaim within the next 24hours, so let's look out for that one.
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Ok here's the deal:
If we don't have a counterclaim in 24 hours we probably have to lynch Schworz.
However, people tend to be stupid, so maybe the guy does not know what I'm talking about (if you aren't 100% certain you know what I am doing and it has something to do with you, you don't say a word. I don't want another claim that got nothing to do with me). That means at that point in time I'll be yelling a name. It's going to be a specific role name, not a role. If there's still no counterclaim after a bunch of hours we lynch Schworz. If there is we lynch DocH.
Sounds reasonable?
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yeah fine. Go ahead and roleclaim yourself. I figured it's maybe possible that I have a clone as well as you but that would make us 4 confirmed townies :p
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you're in this super secret mason circle aren't you? What about we both say a name at the same time. You're telling people in that circle, I'm telling people in this thread. If it's the same name we're both happy if there's no counterclaim untila couple of hours before deadline.
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On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have. Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz?
Palmar's Two-Face isn't he?
Also you yourself said there's no reason for Schworz to claim Two-Face after I claimed two-face yesterday. Yet you keep telling me you want to lynch me because I fucked up (still doubt it) but you're totally fine with Catwoman (Schworz) claiming Two-Face?
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On February 09 2012 20:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 20:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 20:37 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 20:30 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:
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I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree... For making a suboptimal play? Would you be happy if I just nameclaimed? Him for playing a really really confusing game, which I can only belive to be non-townie. And you for getting DT checked comming out red, and after that filling this post up with alot of confusing stuff. You are the one who said either you or rgTS is lying. I belive it to be you, am I wrong, then we would by your logic kill him. Not quite correct. There is still a possibility that rg is insane or has unreliable checks. Yes, this I have allready advocated earlier. But you said that unless BC is lying to you this isn't true... Nope. I just said there's no chance that rG is insane without knowing about it. He hasn't commented on the matter. Toades, do you think it would be fine to say we're both the same person for the purposes of the town understanding without getting modkilled?
what are you talking about? I don't need to claim, it's enough to claim your name and you don't need to claim your special power. If you pick the right name that's fine with me and I'll confirm it. This is going to be so hilarious and see massive amounts of shitstorm comming.
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And I'm still standing by everything I said. I still think I did a good move but I thought everyone else would shut the fuck up and just roll with it. Now we've got schworz fakeclaiming, palmar fakeclaiming and I think I know what DocH is but maybe he's a thirdparty who knows my role pm as well.
I am literally as confused as you guys are right now. I did not see anything of this bullshit comming and I don't understand anything palmar, Schworz or DocH did. Well I understand what DocH did but you don't have to rub it into peoples faces.
To get another topic discussed: I still think sheth, Hori and opz all make good lynch targets for today if we leave what's happening around me for a second and think about alternatives.
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Thoughts on hiro, sheth, risk.nuke, opz anyone?
I'd like to see all of those 4 dead.
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On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim?
The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either:
A) Save himself (best scenario for himself)
B) Draw out another blue before he dies.
To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this.
I'll tell you after his claim. If it's the right name yes we need a counterclaim asap if there's one. If it's a wrong claim I don't want a counterclaim.
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On February 09 2012 21:22 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 21:05 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim?
The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either:
A) Save himself (best scenario for himself)
B) Draw out another blue before he dies.
To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this. I'll tell you after his claim. If it's the right name yes we need a counterclaim asap if there's one. If it's a wrong claim I don't want a counterclaim. Not to offend you, but I was hoping someone with more authority would answer. I think your answer here is the worst answer to the question, giving a counterclaimer potentially very little time to decide what is the right thing to do. If DrH claims a name someone else have they know he is scum/third party. My take on it is that if DrH is doing this and he aren't going to the gallows the one actually having the role should counterclaim and see to it that it happends. But I do see the downside to this, another blue getting drawn out. Thats why I want the town to reach a consensus about this, so that we can avoid more suboptimal townplay.
if he's telling me a wrong name I might want to lynch him outright, so no need to get another blue in the open and get himself killed because he's counterclaiming. If he's picking the right name we need a counterclaim if there's one available and it's not a bad move to make for that role.
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On February 09 2012 21:10 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Thoughts on hiro, sheth, risk.nuke, opz anyone?
I'd like to see all of those 4 dead. I agree about Hiro and Sheth, they need to die.
more thoughts on this one? We need to keep discussing about something else to get some information...
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I just read Jackals Role-pm and I'm pretty sure he did not kill someone or I'm misinterpreting it.
It clearly states that he can kill one of the people he called. That is: He can call one of the 13 people.
I killed Kenpachi, Slardar is not on his list and I doubt that he shot himself. Maybe he shot someone on that list and he survived for whatever reason but none of the flips belongs to Jackals power.
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Rad what about lynching Schworz first? We can block mafia hits but noone but myself (+ true vets) is able to block catwoman hits I think. I'd much rather not have Schworz rampaging town.
However the only downside is that I really could give him that nooby card. Let's put it that way: I'd say he's going to flip 50 out of 100 times mafia. 35 out of 100 tmies Catwoman and 15 out of 100 times something else that doesn't make sense at all.
Guess I should have shot sheth or opz yesterday instead of kenpachi and trusted myself...
Also I don't think I am in danger, even if we nameclaim. Mafia hits can be blocked after all even if I become mortal again.
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they've got a medic according to my op
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well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name
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On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me. Then why would he lie and say he checked me and found me guilty? He's either an insane DT or a liar. I can't claim until I get a green light from BC. I'm ready to do it, tactically, but because of the nature of my role there is a small annoyance that scum can turn against me if I'm not able to explain my role fully or allude to the issue. Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul.
yeah because that's the only reasonable explanation I guess.
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On February 09 2012 23:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote:
well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name You'll get that soon enough. If you read my filter really closely you'll know anyway.
yeah I've got that as well
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ok this one is easy. We screw everything DocH, myself and Schworz said for now and vote Sheth.
If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets.
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