On February 11 2012 14:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 11 2012 11:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:DoctorHelvetica...Please... On February 11 2012 09:06 ~OpZ~ wrote:On February 10 2012 16:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ all you did was repeat the same case I made twice. So far it seems like that's your only contribution to this thread as it is. why are you so fucking this game you were way better than this in that TF2 mafia Excuse me, Which game is this? Arkham City in which all you've done was roleplay uselessly for a day then parrot everything I said to make a case on a lurker What's the problem exactly? Haven't you called for vig's to shoot me multiple times now too? So ignore my question a second time...so what game was that n where r my repeated vig calls? Yes. I'm uncertain of u but ur claims unchallenged so I have no choice Stop pressing me. N now I'm fairly certain the person I know is confirmed. I'm happy with my town read.
I don't remember the number. Was it not the TF2 mafia game where we banded together in irc and you were useful or do I have you confused with someone else?
On February 10 2012 01:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 17:53 Toadesstern wrote:btw here's what DocH posted earlier when I claimed Two-Face: On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred?
I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden. He KNOWS, that some powers have a second aspect to it, therefore he believes my claim. I still think he just understood what I was doing from the very beginning because I lied as little as possible and got a shitload of breadcrumbs in my fakeclaim to make sure the guy who knows my role is knowing what I'm doing. Apparently that guy is DocH. He knew it because Jackal? He's in the phone booth QT And another post afterwards getting mad because a townie is pressuring for what doc H is claiming, when a DT received a red check? You renigged your claim of two face, so what the hell are you talking about toad. Jesus....I've never been 100% down for LAL but shit, Palmar, Toad, DocH, gtfo this game. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Thoughts on hiro, sheth, risk.nuke, opz anyone?
I'd like to see all of those 4 dead. You forgot toad and doc H, bro.
You were just saying I'm scum, I remembered wrong. Someone else said I should be shot or on a shoot list, maybe it was Palmar?
Regardless you've never called me out for spamming before as far as I can remember. this isn't the first game we've played together and it isn't the first time I'm the most prolific poster. I always am. All you did was flip out about all the claims all throughout Day 2 then push a case I made, probably because it was easy and didn't require you to make your own analysis. You haven't really done anything. In the first day you were just distracting with your worthless roleplaying shit. If you want to criticize other players for ruining the thread, look at yourself. You didn't do shit day 1, criticized Chaoser for a "worthless" post despite posting even less substance than he had.
Then you say "I knew DocH was scum all along." really? Why didn't you say anything? rG's fake DT check was the perfect opportunity for scum to do this bullshit but they had nowhere to go with it when rG couldn't back himself up and Radfield made the more convincing claim.
Chaoser was pretty worthless on Day 1 but you were worse. Roleplaying, being selective, not even pushing the player who according to you "reeked of scum Day 1", why was it that you didn't want to say anything? It's not like I wouldn't respond seeing as I post more often than anyone else, how do you justify criticizing other players for not contributing then contribute zero and not only that you don't even bother to make the case? All you've done for your "scumhunting" is agree/disagree with people or with jaybrundage repeat the exact same shit I said. That's not good enough. I make a lot of mistakes, I mix peoples names up and I post too much, I'm sloppy, but I'm not stupid enough to not make a case on a player I think is scum when there is a contested lynch. You had nothing on me Day 1 to call me scum, which is why you didn't. Getting to say you thought so all along when there is doubt (that is quickly stamped out) about it isn't convincing. You're also coming off like you're disappointed that my roleclaim checks out, disappointed that you can't push me for a bad lynch.
You didn't call for vig shots repeatedly. That post of yours I quoted about adding me and toad, I remembered as something like "remember to shoot toad/doch", the part earlier were you talk about killing me could have been about lynches. If I'm confusing you with a different player who I communicated with in that TL Mafia game (TF2 theme, kurumi was host I think) then correct me because my memory is horrible and I might be wrong. Even if I'm wrong about that all these points still stand. So put up or shut up.
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I'm gonna start making my case now on my best reads for the scumteam. It's likely I might die tonight which is why I'm posting now and not waiting until the day cycle. Assuming I don't die, I'll just pressure off of this Day 3. If I am dead, town players please pressure these folks relentlessly and don't get distracted. Also read my filter carefully when you have all information from my role, you will understand what is happening on Day 2 a bit better and my reactions to various claims and such.
I'm gonna start with Kurumi.
Reading Kurumi's filter a few things stand out at me, they are very big things.
1. Kurumi criticizes other players for doing things that he does and for not doing things that he does not do.
2. Kurumi makes many posts which give the illusion of contribution. I am not talking about spamming.
3. Kurumi seems more interested in making other players look bad and putting down their play than making a real scum case. It's easy as scum to be hostile to people and make it look like you're "pressuring" or something of that nature without making real analysis, because you have to make shit up when you do that.
4. He is okay with lying.and does it for what I see as no pro-town benefit.
5. His relations with Sheth considering that Sheth was Tyger Guard seem defensive and his Day 1 offense on Sheth is short lived and possibly artificial.
You can read his filter yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=68386
On February 06 2012 19:13 Kurumi wrote:
I find it funny how Schworz wanted to create discussion by voting Kenpachi and he indeed did.
The mass claim is weak, just looking at things that Poison Ivy can be two roles (Medic and Vigilante) same deal with Harley Quinn and Two-Face can be either Vigilante or Detective. (AKA, what will You do when You have 2 Two-Faces or even 3?)
The interesting thing though is Scum Doc, besides Scum Vig and Scum RB(Talia al Ghul).
And to make it even funnier, there's DT-Vet too (Ra's Al Ghul). Killing Hugo(GF Medic or Jailkeeper?) removes Deadshot's(additional kp, the Vig I believe) power from the game.
So:
Mafia has 3KP and a lot of additional actions. They're like mini-town setup on their own. Where that puts us?
Mafia can easily fakeclaim, because they have the powers, easy as that.
About Schworz, I just ponder, is he IWANNABETHEHEROTOWN or he's like scumvoteasfastaspossible, pardon, but piling votes on him that fast does might be a little wrong (and that early in the day, sup dead set lynch when it's left 8-10 hours). On the other hand, we kind-of can't have Vigi kill him if he's scum.. Y'know, the Doc.
This is a good example of a Day 1 scum post. While me and Cyber_Cheese had a real argument (which should have ended much sooner, which I tried to end sooner but kept bringing it up because I was being assailed for it) this is absolutely nothing. He is explaining the scenario then making a completely inconclusive "analysis" of rGTheSchworz.
On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.
"What you're doing is useless. I'll be helpful later." Lists and graphs are not helpful. His list was equally useless to layabouts list which he gets upset about later.
On February 07 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote:
1.Bill Murray - He's back. A lot of posts.
2. Kenpachi - Don't worry if You forget about him playing.
3. Visceraeyes - "Core" of TL mafia
4. Toadesstern - Still quite new
5. Hiro Protagonist - "Core" of TL mafia
6. Jayjay54 - New
7. Layabout - New
8. Cyber_cheese - Still quite new // "core"?
9. Doctor Helvetica - Uh, need advice from someone like Jackal
10. Jackal58 - lurky, aggressive and good.
11. Slardar - new
12. Tobberath - new
13. jaybrundage - new I guess?
14. Wherebugsgo - vocal aggressive and good
15. Tyran - new
16. Tunkeg - new
17. Kurumi - troll/"core" player many posts (myself, ask away)
18. Risk.nuke - Still quite new
19. Opz - ???
20. Kitaman27 - Quite good, been here for a while
21. ico - new
22. Evantrees - new
23. -_-qualis - new
24. forumite - "core"
25. Liquid`sheth - new, but played a lot of rl mafia
26. Radfield - if not dead N1 he's mafia. seriously though, amazing player
27. rgtheschworz - new
28. Palmar - sufferring from something I can't name, or maybe it's boredom because of role received?
29. Chaoser - was baller and not so baller since
30. Katina - new
31. Adam4167 - some say promising newbie
I'd like people to add things to this player list, I'll how do You call it? important people // known // good
should be discussed
The first of two. This offers nothing to the discussion. This offers nothing to town to help find scum. This lets Kurumi control who is looked at and who isn't. This is more useless than anything he will later call "useless" when other players do it.
On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:29 layabout wrote:On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote:On February 06 2012 18:41 Kenpachi wrote:On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Way to go claiming Joker. Don't do that. We lose one vig for .,.... nothing, cuz Batman is helping us regardless of the situation. And his task isn't to shoot scum, it's to shoot 1 particular scum. He won't risk giving off info for the sake of helping town, he's 3rd party after all and only cares for his win. It's likely he'll DT ppl till he finds Hugo.And he can't hint at being batman at all.
Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton.
For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi.
Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will.
I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions. This post is an atrocity. RANDOM VOTING STAGE? REALLY? fucking dumb. Its detrimental to blow any KP you get for mere information.[Fun Fact: Town loses when i get lynched. (100% of the time) Oh and im not hinting anytihng. i shouldn't give a vibe when i claim townie. Ive claimed townie when i was Mafia, Veteran, Vigilante, Doctor and etc. From my standpoint, i have no opinion on Sheth, however im now deadset on this fool . Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : KenpachiAlso ##UnvoteGuess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post have fun going through all of his posts. maybe you should read through some of his old games and then come back and apologise for wasting our time. All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi?
Such as this one. I think that scum was trying to get layabout lynched early in Day 1 because of the unhelpful graph he posted. Unlike Kurumi's little list, layabouts was a joke (somewhat amusing actually) whereas Kurumi's had a serious motive. Which is described by him it was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game."
Very helpful.
Looking through the filter you can see his apparent tunneling of Kenpachi. He accuses other players of saying that Kenpachi's green claim is helpful or pro-town. In reality, nobody is saying that. They are only saying that Kenpachi does this every game and assuming he is scum for it when he does it every game regardless of his role is stupid and we should talk about something else. Kenpachi is not very good at framing arguments and can not deal with good pressure, his only bet to surviving as scum is to lurk, so he's not the kind of player anyone should be worried about on Day 1 anyway imo.
I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time.
If he's mafia this makes a lot of sense. He seems to be pretty active in the thread and I doubt he'd have no opinion. The fact that he's criticizing other players for being obtuse and not contributing leads me to believe he should have jumped all over Sheth WITHOUT anyone else even having to have made the case.
So why not defend him right away? If they're scumbuddies, Kurumi has to be deceptive here. He needs to think about it. Is he going to defend Sheth or is he going to distance himself from a guy who very well might be lynched?
Artificial arguments happen. Scum will vote for eachother. Scum will bus eachother. The fact that Kurumi later supports the Sheth vote does NOT clear him of innocence.
Kurumi does not commit to the Sheth wagon and because I missed I can't relate the context to the voting record at the time but it seems he switches to Qualis when the Sheth vote becomes a serious possibility. If Sheth gets lynched he gets to say "I voted for him originally, aha I knew he was scum all along!" if Sheth survives then he helped save his scumbuddy by moving his vote.
On February 07 2012 23:06 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 14:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I think RTG is town....only because I liked his first few posts this game even though a few people jumped on him. Just sayin. I was mafia last game with him. But I really need to catch up. That fuckin bastard penguin blew the bridge and left me over here with these ass hole joker inmates....I'ma fucking kill that fat fuck when I get back to the museum. You're bloody traitor.
This is the only thing that throws me off. It's a lot rarer, I think, that mafia players have confusion about the rules than town players. Especially something really simple like traitors/millers I think the mafia would definitely all know about. I don't know how many scumteams fake this kind of stuff now. I make it a point to ask questions in the thread, pretend to be confused about rules, etc. when I am scum and I encourage my teammates to do similar things. This is just a bit too specific and it seems like Kurumi could just be horrendous town from this. I don't know his metagame so I'm not qualified to judge if he is usually this bad as a town player or not.
On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote:
I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too
Doesn't care who gets lynched, picks the non-sheth candidate arbitrarily here.
On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.
Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.
His switch to Sheth was that WBG soft-defended him. If WBG is the one you think is scum, why didn't you vote for WBG instead?
On February 08 2012 11:48 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Hey Kurumi,
Just for future reference. Sometimes its good to step back and re-evaluate. I used to just tunnel people at times and I think that's what you're doing here. I get this won't get you to take your vote off, I'm just saying once I flip and your like oh crap maybe I shouldn't have went for him so hard, just think back on this when you play the rest of the game. I'll probably won't have time to redeem myself.
This seems staged as hell to me. Kurumi isn't the one pushing Sheth so hard, the fact that he singles out the guy who is really just accusing WBG through Sheth just seems so odd to me.
On February 08 2012 11:51 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:51 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Kurumi, I'm here defending myself and actually caring. C_C isn't even here talking. I'm giving my spreadsheet and everything. He has 6 votes, to my 8. If you and me both go to C_C he will die instead of me. Please, I'm not mafia. You're basing this on what others are doing. You think what others are doing is defending me, yet WBG isn't even voting C_C so he clearly doesn't care if I die. I want to have another day to prove myself at least Kurumi. Another day to prove Yourself? Deal.
That's not town thinking. Sheth hasn't done anything to defend himself or contribute to town. "Oh, I thought you were scum but you want another day? Yeah okay haha fine  " Sheth's defense here is SO weak. Why did he appeal to Kurumi so specifically?
Sheth has the heat on him and now his scum buddies need a legit way to take their votes off.
On February 08 2012 12:11 Kurumi wrote:
Chaoser, indeed.
WBG
Layabout
Qualis
my reads, top being the strongest.
They are crumbling though. Most of the suspicion on WBG comes on soft-defense of Sheth and ressurecting Schworz and being backed up by individuals like BM. Layabout..
Terrible pictures
useless at the beginning and actively lurking
voted cc without reason
only defends himself
Qualis
defending Kenpachi
saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment
I thought most of your suspicion on SHETH came from WBG soft defending him because earlier you said WBG was your strongest scum read.
You were useless at the beginning.
You voted for CC without reason. You even admitted it.
You contributed useless list which is basically equivalent to layabouts picture.
He defends himself because everyone is pressuring him : i.e you. Scum tactic: Get hostile on someone, they act defensive, then say "lolol why u so defensive? u must be scum". Bullshit. Bullshit.
On February 08 2012 12:14 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:10 kitaman27 wrote:
kurumi, if you're trying to blue claim to dodge the lynch, give us a name. You already claimed vig so its not like its going to make the scum less likely to hit you and if you're not counter-claimed, you can shut down all this lynch discussion and focus on what's important. I am not trying to dodge the lynch, I don't give a fuck. Lynch me, fine. I understand why You're thinking that's a good decision. No need for claiming anything. Let's say, stars aligned perfectly with something. Somehow I am on a vig spree lately.
scum.
On February 08 2012 12:21 Kurumi wrote:
My train of thought
WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him.
He defends Sheth, high probability of being scumbuddies.
Proceed to vote Sheth.
Then I get caught in my stupidity. My faith in my read on WBG crumbles.
CC is the guy I never investigated because I tunneled people I've seen on my scum list.
Layabout is on me now, was on CC. No way to get him up for lynch either. Forfeit him in favor of WBG.
Then I get caught on being narrowminded and that most of my reads are for shreds. Although, Qualis still rubs me wrong way. Low activity, scummy behaviour, like, I can't be that wrong.
You didn't get caught in anything, Sheth was the right choice.
On February 08 2012 12:24 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If you're the vig tell us which one. Don't you dare dodge. Vigilantes are in the danger zone. I refuse.
You have the balls to claim and make yourself a target. You say you don't care if you get lynched. But too afraid to put a name on the claim. Ha, ok.
On February 08 2012 12:28 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:26 chaoser wrote:WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him. I don't understand this point...If he's your most scummiest, can't you make a effortpost on why he is scummy to you? And thus get people to lynch him? Why not take a stance instead of being wishy washy? I see stuff that you wrote on him but they're spread all over and seem weak in general. Why not just make a big post on why you think he's scummy? Also, like people said, you claimed you are vigi, might as well give the name. Regardless, you're going to get shot tonight. Also, STOP FUCKING CLAIMING EVERYONE The last time I made a big post on someone and the first time I believe was Merc Mini 2, pushing Radfield the Town Day One. I was Town.
"I don't have to put in effort but anyone else who doesn't must be scum."
On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote:
Death to Ra's Ghul!
##vote DoctorHelvetica
Immediate and stupid assumption.
Notice that he voted for Qualis and made a barely existant case in an earlier post. It was here
Qualis
defending Kenpachi
saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment
Pretty weak. Tunneling Kenpachi again.
On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 09 2012 18:13 Toadesstern wrote:
also it's not really that hard to figure out what's going on given what docH said all the time. I'm just waiting for the first VET to step in and tell exactly what the situation is... (vet = every vet but wbg, because he's tunneling again and think's I'm catwoman. This guy thinks I'm mafia ALL THE TIME) what the fuck are you talking about? I never called you catwoman and I never seriously called you scum (I even explained how my first vote on you was bait) I just thought your claim was total bullshit. If I wanted to I would've said, stop trying to take hits, no one's stupid enough to shoot you, but then I realized that people actually are that dumb and scum might have chosen to shoot you anyway. So instead, I called your claim retarded (because it was) as for rg, I find it funny now that he comes and claims Dr. H is scum that you choose to vote him. On Kurumi: he very much likely did not shoot. His targets were pretty much between myself, layabout, qualis, and sheth. Since none of those players died and none of them have yet claimed a hit (I did not get hit) then Kurumi is the best vote. I have to evaluate this rg/Dr H business but I'm obviously far more inclined to believe Dr. H over rg. I did not shoot. Kudos to You.
So you lied and still won't claim the name. You didn't attract a single bullet, so your original point for claiming with no name is dead.
On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me.
No, it's not for sure actually. Three people claimed two-face yesterday. OpZ did his little penguin roleplaying. There were other potential targets. Yes it's possible she used her DT powers.
On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me. Then why would he lie and say he checked me and found me guilty? He's either an insane DT or a liar. I can't claim until I get a green light from BC. I'm ready to do it, tactically, but because of the nature of my role there is a small annoyance that scum can turn against me if I'm not able to explain my role fully or allude to the issue. Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul.
How can Schworz be Poison Ivy vigilante and survive CW's hit? If I'm not mistaken, only if she chooses vet will she survive the Catwoman shot. I don't know if this is a slip of you making shit up to defend rG (as you've done all game). Scum might not be all too concerned about exactly how Catwomans hits function so he might not have thought it through. It's WIFOM to get too deep into this beyond that this post is nonsense.
On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions.
No you didn't. If I didn't claim Clayface you would have never backed off me as Ghul.
On February 09 2012 23:58 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions. That's a nice backaway can you respond to the rest of the pressure now? What do you have to lose by telling us which Vig you are at this point? You're already a Catwoman/scum target by the nature of so many other roles being outed now and she'll probably pull the trigger tonight. What's stopping you? It'll be an honor to die.
Scum.
On February 10 2012 01:57 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, what's Your real role and name?
Why don't you give up yours since you lied too.
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