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Mr. Wiggles
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On January 18 2012 07:47 Navillus wrote: I knew it, in this subforum people never remember the second L... We already have one: Click! There's another? | ||
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2. To make sure, messages are received at the start of day and start of night, correct? | ||
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In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point. Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others? Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 26 2012 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 It looked like you were telling them not to vote here. Maybe I misunderstood. | ||
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The number 1 priority for scum today is to push a mislynch. They don't know who each other are, so the safest thing to do is to push a weak town player, or someone who committed some mistake. Their options are to either sit around, and let town run amok, which is bad for them, to support a lynch on someone they read as scum, which is bad for them, or to try to push a mislynch, which is good for them. Right now, the sudden support for offing Cwave looks like it's falling into that third category, so I'm going to pay particular attention to everyone who jumped on him, and for what their reasons were, because he makes a very valid point about what Radfield posted. If you say you can't see it, you aren't thinking hard enough, or you're scum. Off to a lab, be back later. | ||
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On January 27 2012 06:05 Radfield wrote: I don't know. Do you think there's something more sinister about it as a result? Yes, because mafia can't use abbreviated language unless someone posts a public key, which you did. If you had just posted with the same letters or numbers, then it's no longer a key that can be used to shorten scum communications. Now they just went from only having a binary designation, to having gradations to communicate their reads to their team, which isn't exactly useful for the town. On January 26 2012 14:55 vaderseven wrote: I have no idea how to read all that stupid-ness about how to properly term a read. WTF was that. It wasn't useful thats for sure. Lets try to get a bit more on track than debating something insanely useless like that. I actually find Navillus a bit squirmy but I have never played with him and thats like the barest of gut reads on the last few posts of his. I hate day 1. Vader, what happened to this? Why'd you bring up the town vs. not scum discussion again? | ||
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Right now, the leading candidate is Radfield. So far, he's contradicted himself a couple of times, and posted something that hurts the town. He's also made an excuse for if his early reads or bad or result in a mislynch, which I don't like. It takes responsibility away from him before anything happens. He's active, but I'm getting the feeling he's scum or else he's making really weird mistakes as town, but between the two, the former case seems more likely. If someone could summarize the case on Bum, that would be nice. This is what I'm reading right now, feel free to correct me if I make a mistake: Radfield: Wants to vote Bum because he says he's 'false-scumhunting', by trying to bandwagon onto himself and lynch a town player, along with other offenses. Lanaia: Agrees with Radfield, says Bum rubs her the wrong way. Navillus: Says that Bum not wanting to lynch Lanaia is scummy. Says he's just trying to push the lynch onto Radfield, or at least away from Lanaia. I'll echo Vaderseven here, by asking Navillus why he would rather vote Bum than Lanaia, when his case on Bum is based on Lanaia being scum/scummy. The wagon on Bum is a little iffy to me, because two out of three people on it are people who Bum said he'd want to lynch. Does anyone else support a Bum lynch right now? What are your reasons? The other candidate is Lanaia who's been lurking and semi-useless. Also, Cwave looks bad to me again, by basically dropping off the face of the earth after people called him out on the Radfield list. | ||
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On January 28 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote: Wiggles, I posted a semi-case on Bum earlier in the game. Nothing major but a couple of small things added together. You do realize the only reason I posted that list(ABC123 etc) is because people were repeatedly missing my point and making semantically arguments. You can't pretend that post existed in a vacuum and that I did not have reason to post it. Just read through that section of the thread. Where have I contradicted myself multiple times? What are my really weird mistakes? What excuse did I make for my early reads being bad or resulting in a mislynch? I also think you're dramatically overstating the potential detriment my ABC123 list has for town(though in hindsight I agree I should have just posted all X's), as well as overstating it as a scum motivated action. On January 26 2012 13:33 Radfield wrote: I don't scumhunt extremely early on in the game, as my reads (and yours I imagine) are terrible during that timeframe. This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote: Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. On January 27 2012 07:02 Radfield wrote: This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. | ||
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##Vote: Radfield | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote: OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1? | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:47 Navillus wrote: What other options? I think Lanaia's a decent choice but she 1 at least gave an excuse and more importantly 2 has now been active and 3 seemed less scummy with what she did do/say than MZ Refallen's gonna get modkilled. IDK who else has lurked, I'll check later, not enough time now. Cwave for example, completely disappeared after the Radfield incident. I'm sure there's others. I'm wondering what the difference is between MZ and them. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:48 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night. Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense. Just don't lynch me. What would you suggest instead, if I don't like the Bum lynch too much? I actually don't like that a majority of people have all disappeared before the lynch. | ||
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It feels like no one's playing right now. | ||
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On January 29 2012 06:15 GGQ wrote: Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment. I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia. You're going to be gone for 48+ hours? Or do you mean before day post? | ||
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