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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 27 2012 07:21 GMT
#281
I really have no idea who I think I should vote for at this point. I will be back in the morning to vote. I will be here less than I'd hope tomorrow because school, staff meeting, and work.

I kinda wanna just vote Cwave.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 27 2012 08:56 GMT
#282
On January 27 2012 16:21 Lanaia wrote:
I really have no idea who I think I should vote for at this point. I will be back in the morning to vote. I will be here less than I'd hope tomorrow because school, staff meeting, and work.

I kinda wanna just vote Cwave.


You "kinda" wanna vote for me but just before you really have no idea who to vote for?
I would kinda wanna ask you to start being usefull.

Grace me atleast with reasoning other then just sheeping onto me. This makes you look bad and red.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 27 2012 09:38 GMT
#283
On January 27 2012 06:47 vaderseven wrote:
I think cwave isnt a weak town player. With things like JUMPING on radfield for giving scum a rating system (seriously it is cwave who clearly made this a ratinf system...) and saying that scum have 5 words when the rules make it obv that it is an unkoen amount ANNNNNNND his attempt to abuse the intent of calling him a VI....

There is a difference between bad town and scummy.

He is by far the best lynch canidate thus far.


I will try and adress the concerns you have for me.

About the 5 word statement. I pulled if from the previous game and the post
On January 25 2012 00:30 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 23:07 Zephirdd wrote:
Okay...

Is there any way a non-scum player can see the Sleeper Agent's broadcasts? I assume the Inception Agent can, under certain conditions, but are there more?
Also, for the players:
I haven't seen GGQ, Hesmyrr nor Navillus playing. Obviously that's because I'm a redacted, but can someone link a game of them? :D

Check my profile. Also, re-stating the obvious since I do not want to be unknowingly mistaken:
So how this work is, sleeper agent A, B, C all write messages which are received by all of these three. Moreover, we have no assurance the messages being sent need to meet the requirement of the first game:
You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player.

Also, could you affirm that all investigative role on this setup is sane? Will role such as Godfather/Traitor work on the role-cop should they exist?


I don't see how reusing that information is a scumslip or in anyway bad for town. I understand there is a possibility this game has different rules for this but i still assume there is some form of limitation on the ammount scum can send to eachother, just like the previous game.

About the VI, i asked about it on IRC where Palmar resides(game buddy from when Azeroth was fresh), he responded with "village idiot" after which i google'd it and that site came up first.
So don't just say
ANNNNNNND his attempt to abuse the intent of calling him a VI....

when this is just not true. I had not seen the term VI being used before so i didn't know the context of it and had to google it.

As for the rating system. I still think it's a bad post with that list Radfield made. People actually thought that i read that list as a summation of players in the game. Hence, they didn't think i was reading carefully. I was and still am so all the posts following with " Lol cwave you crazy, are you even reading" hold no ground.

Disagree with me if you will on the list being good/bad for our town but don't just state im a good lynch target because i post about it.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 27 2012 13:54 GMT
#284
Right now, the top votes are Radfield and Cwave, with Radfield being the lynch target.

I don't like either lynches, because they are based on misconceptions, misinterpretations or over-exaggerations of simple statements.

At this point, I'm willing to vote Navillus just because of his wall of texts. Even if they are like 6 lines long, my head hurts of the lack of paragraphs or organization from his posts. Also, I don't think I'll be around here during deadline so I'll just vote him now.

##vote Navillus


If you want, there are a few problems with Navillus' play as well, such as the way he voted redFF or his very first post with a contradiction.
I had a post prepared but I hit some key here and it got deleted

His filter for reference(warning: you may need to increase font size to 200% to understand it):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=153628
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 27 2012 13:58 GMT
#285
Zeph, don't you agree that Navi is defending Rad pretty hard? If you're voting for him, shouldnt you be suspicious of Rad too?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
January 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#286
Yeah, I think Cwave is a bad lynch right now. I also think Navillus is a poor lynch, his posting doesn't strike me as scummy.

Wigles Wrote: Yes, because mafia can't use abbreviated language unless someone posts a public key, which you did. If you had just posted with the same letters or numbers, then it's no longer a key that can be used to shorten scum communications. Now they just went from only having a binary designation, to having gradations to communicate their reads to their team, which isn't exactly useful for the town.


You're right, and I kinda wish I hadn't posted that. However I doubt it will be particularly useful for mafia. The only reason I posted it in the first place was to try and illustrate my point, which several people thought(and still think!) was just about semantics.

On January 27 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote:
It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did.

##VOTE: Radfield.


Can you please point out what you're talking about? I'm worried that you're still talking about this paragraph:


We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.


Do you honestly not understand the point I was trying to make? And where is the so called breadcrumb in this post? And to what effect?
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#287
One thing doesn't lead to another. In a game where scum doesn't know who is who, it is entirely possible that a player defends a town thinking he is scum. Besides, it is also entirely possible for scum to buddy up with town in order to achieve credibility.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#288
EBWOP that was to refallen
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
January 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#289
On January 27 2012 22:58 Refallen wrote:
Zeph, don't you agree that Navi is defending Rad pretty hard? If you're voting for him, shouldnt you be suspicious of Rad too?


You should be careful making those kinds of claims refallen. Mafia defend townies all the time. Judge a player on his own actions, not on someone elses actions.

That being said, I don't think we want to lynch Navillus right now.

Lanaia, you need to contribute wayyy more. Meapak has also disappeared.

I'm still ok lynching Bum at this point.

Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#290
On January 27 2012 23:04 Radfield wrote:
Yeah, I think Cwave is a bad lynch right now. I also think Navillus is a poor lynch, his posting doesn't strike me as scummy.

Show nested quote +
Wigles Wrote: Yes, because mafia can't use abbreviated language unless someone posts a public key, which you did. If you had just posted with the same letters or numbers, then it's no longer a key that can be used to shorten scum communications. Now they just went from only having a binary designation, to having gradations to communicate their reads to their team, which isn't exactly useful for the town.


You're right, and I kinda wish I hadn't posted that. However I doubt it will be particularly useful for mafia. The only reason I posted it in the first place was to try and illustrate my point, which several people thought(and still think!) was just about semantics.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote:
It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did.

##VOTE: Radfield.


Can you please point out what you're talking about? I'm worried that you're still talking about this paragraph:

Show nested quote +

We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.


Do you honestly not understand the point I was trying to make? And where is the so called breadcrumb in this post? And to what effect?

Are you for real? Do you not understand how this game works? Of course you understand how this game works. It is day 1. Scum are clueless until their first messages are sent. I understand exactly what you were saying. But the way you say it is like a fucking beacon. Why did you feel compelled to create new terminology for "town". It makes no fucking sense unless you want to put out a post that is absolutely incapable of being missed by the other agents. You're scum.


And just so there is no misunderstanding I understand exactly what your "plan" (It's not really a plan it's common sense) is doing. No I have no issue with the premise you put forth regarding calling out our town reads. It's the invented terminology you created to do it. It's bullshit. There was no reason for it except to give you an unambiguous means to message your fellow sleeper agents. And trust me. I will not be calling you "not scum" anytime soon. You need to die today.
Life can only kill you once.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
January 27 2012 14:23 GMT
#291
What new terminology did I invent?

What hidden message did I send to my supposed scum teammates?

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
January 27 2012 14:31 GMT
#292
The more I think about this Jackal, the more I think you're being deliberately obtuse. You've slowly been ramping up to this point(that I must be scum), yet with no reason to do so.

You're stating that I'm am absolutely scum, when there is basically zero reason for you to think that. You are also deliberately refusing to adequately explain yourself, because that would show your entire point to be invalid.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 14:44 GMT
#293
Cwave, that is really what I was looking for. Can you link me to any game where you played scum in the recent past?

##unvote
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 14:53 GMT
#294
Rdfield your play reminds me of your day 1 play in 48. Remind me, what were you in 48?

At this point I dont favor a lynch on any particular person at all. When is the deadline?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
January 27 2012 15:14 GMT
#295
I was town....

Hosts have been nice to me, I haven't actually been scum for ages.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 27 2012 15:16 GMT
#296
The deadline is nine hours from now (just take a look at day post and add 48 hrs). I agree neither of the candidates sound too appetizing right now, if we are willing to accept some degree of uncertaintly Lanaia lynch is far better alternative to Cwave or Radfield. He is lurking hard right now and just take a single glance on his ISO. He's being completely useless at the moment -_-

##Vote Lanaia
Don't think I will be deviating from this unless someone brings out really convincing argument.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 27 2012 15:18 GMT
#297
Hesmyrr is correct, Day Ends in 9 hours.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 27 2012 15:25 GMT
#298
On January 28 2012 00:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
The deadline is nine hours from now (just take a look at day post and add 48 hrs). I agree neither of the candidates sound too appetizing right now, if we are willing to accept some degree of uncertaintly Lanaia lynch is far better alternative to Cwave or Radfield. He is lurking hard right now and just take a single glance on his ISO. He's being completely useless at the moment -_-

##Vote Lanaia
Don't think I will be deviating from this unless someone brings out really convincing argument.


As a note, Lanaia is a girl.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 15:29 GMT
#299
Lanaia def needs to like join the discussion. 100% agree there.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 27 2012 15:32 GMT
#300
On January 28 2012 00:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 00:16 Hesmyrr wrote:
The deadline is nine hours from now (just take a look at day post and add 48 hrs). I agree neither of the candidates sound too appetizing right now, if we are willing to accept some degree of uncertaintly Lanaia lynch is far better alternative to Cwave or Radfield. He is lurking hard right now and just take a single glance on his ISO. He's being completely useless at the moment -_-

##Vote Lanaia
Don't think I will be deviating from this unless someone brings out really convincing argument.


As a note, Lanaia is a girl.

Fascinating information. If you're going to stick with Navillus, can you write the gist of that analysis post you said you lost? Have to leave for class right now so can't read him for moment and all you said seem to be is that he's confusing and that there is contradiction.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
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