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CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 06:16 GMT
#299
EBWOP: That's it for me tonight. I'm US EST and it's past 1 AM here. I look forward to seeing some new posts in the morning!
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 06:45 GMT
#302
On January 05 2012 15:32 GreYMisT wrote:
A Killer Cuppa Tea has replaced CookieMaker!


I'm sorry, I know I said I going to bed, but wat? That was unexpected. Could he just not play anymore? Cause he certainly wasn't inactive.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 23:25 GMT
#364
@Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish.

Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1.

##vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea

meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 23:30 GMT
#367
@Tea: it looks like you're going to get lynched, which really sucks since you were handicapped from CookieMaker's opening. Sorry about that, even if you are scum.

And to Gretorp: seriously where is your promised long analysis post/contribution? Don't think I've haven't forgotten. We're going to need everyone's contributions if we're going to rid the town of scum, so start POSTING.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 23:41 GMT
#372
On January 06 2012 08:32 Jitsu wrote:
Holy shit, that bandwagon grew quick.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote:
@Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish.

Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1.

##vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea



This nowhere near exonerates you. You lurk until a vote swing changes, than you come up and vote. My vote right now is staying where I just casted it.

You say he's been on you're scum list, and we should check you're filter. According to you're filter, you have scum reads on Gretorp, Myself, Sheth, Probu, Xeris, and Cookie. That's a lot of mafia in a 12 player game.

Regardless, you have 72 hours after the lynch to find a better target.

And I have 72 hours to find you a deeper hole.


You (Jitsu), Sheth, and Probu weren't on my scum reads, you put those in my mouth. Take those 3 away, and what do you have? Gretorp, Xeris, and Cookie. That's 3! How many mafia are there? THREE.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 23:48 GMT
#376
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 06 2012 08:43 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:41 CatsnHats wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:32 Jitsu wrote:
Holy shit, that bandwagon grew quick.

On January 06 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote:
@Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish.

Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1.

##vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea



This nowhere near exonerates you. You lurk until a vote swing changes, than you come up and vote. My vote right now is staying where I just casted it.

You say he's been on you're scum list, and we should check you're filter. According to you're filter, you have scum reads on Gretorp, Myself, Sheth, Probu, Xeris, and Cookie. That's a lot of mafia in a 12 player game.

Regardless, you have 72 hours after the lynch to find a better target.

And I have 72 hours to find you a deeper hole.


You (Jitsu), Sheth, and Probu weren't on my scum reads, you put those in my mouth. Take those 3 away, and what do you have? Gretorp, Xeris, and Cookie. That's 3! How many mafia are there? THREE.


Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 14:45 CatsnHats wrote:
For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there.



You left this out, Jitsu. That's pretty convenient how you did that.

On January 05 2012 15:13 CatsnHats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 14:53 Probulous wrote:
On January 05 2012 14:45 CatsnHats wrote:
For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there.


Again, don't tell us who you think is town, who are the mafia? If you don't think Sheth, Jitsu and myself are mafia, why cast suspicion on us? You're seemingly convinced that both CM and Cephiro are mafia based off of other people's analysis. Who is the third mafia?


I just getting all the possibilities out there, and I said that you all being mafia was low probability, so if anything that would be taking suspicion from you. As I have said before from the beginning, my third (albeit a distant one relative to the others) at the moment is Xeris due to his no-lynch posts, lurking, and non-responses to player questions. He has left very little material to go on, but that is my third for now. For me it's Cephiro>CM>Xeris. I could see Xeris dropping off this list though when he, Gretorp, AH, Blurry, and others post again.





+ Show Spoiler +
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#377
EBWOP: sorry, I'd have never tried to do spoilers before. I was trying to make it more condensed. The bottom spoiler is empty.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:02 GMT
#385
@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me.

You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said:

RE: CookieMaker

Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think.


I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that.

And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:14 GMT
#388
First thing that pops up: Cookie thought Cephiro was very pro town. This is very interesting since a lot of people had Ceph pegged as scum before we switched to Tea/CM. I'm still reading the filters, just wanted to get this out there first.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:36 GMT
#392
@Gonzaw You're right, that quote is damning along with the rest of his contradictions. He'll definitely have some explaining to do, but I don't know how we take this any further without Xeris answering the town's concerns.

@Town: Cookie also had a slight green read on Sheth and a very scummy read on myself, which led to a vote against me. He didn't post his reasoning for it though other than giving a someone take my analysis before I could say post, which the town later pressured him on. He didn't answered the pressure though, and this was his last post before he was replaced with Tea.

On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote:

Your evidence was everything I had against Cats. My plan was to transition out of "Sheth should have put more pressure on him" into "... and this is why". I felt like I was getting unlucky after analyzing 4-5 players and coming up with zero good scum reads and only 1-2 town reads (despite the consensus against Ceph, I'm still confident in my read). Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'.

##Vote for CatsnHats
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:38 GMT
#393
EBWOP: Post should have said "other than giving a "someone took my analysis before I could say it" post." sorry about that.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#395
EBWOP: It should have also said "He didn't answer." I need to proofread more.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 01:56 GMT
#399
@Ceph: I get to what you said in a bit, I haven't finished reading it.

@Probulous: I'm pointing out Cookie's read on my me because it would look like I was trying to hide it if I didn't. And Gonzaw said to " now reread every town and scum read from Cookie/Tea and knowing they were green." So that was what I was doing, helping the town by posting the overall results of his reads.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 06 2012 02:32 GMT
#401
Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted.

This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record.
##Vote: CatsnHats

For the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below:

On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea
##Unvote: Xeris
##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 03:59 GMT
#462
In regard to my martyr post, I'll admit that I felt pretty defeated when I was writing it, but then I realized that I could use your reactions as fodder for evidence and as a way of generating discussion, so I lurked and waited. I was pretty disappointed for the most part, a lot of "Don't give up for the town's sake" responses that came from the players with really town-y reads already (Prob, Gonzaw, Tunkeg), and this was meant to find scum, not confirm town. But then AnxiousHippo posted thank goodness, something I could make a read on.

On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote:
@CatsNHats get your head back in the game if you're town you should be more focused on killing mafia than convincing everyone you're a dead weight. Just keep trying, your last paragraph was decent, try expanding on that.


Thanks for the pep-talk, the thing is though, it's the exact same thing that Probulous wrote, just in less words. Bandwagon post to make yourself look town if you ask me.

On January 06 2012 11:40 Probulous wrote:
Don't you dare throw in the towel! That is a shitty thing to do. Hell ask for a replacement if this is too hard for you.

If you are town, fight for your life. I am pissed at AKCT for his apathy. You at least have been posting. Take a break and come back later with a case on someone. You realise if you throw in the towel and you are green you are severly handicapping the rest of us?

You noticed that Hippo hasn't been contributing. Do what Gonz did and make people see your point of view. The argument against you is long and has substantial evidence. There isn't anything you can really do except be useful to town.

I hate it when people do this. It is so passive aggressive and weak. Grow a spine and take the heat. If you get lynched, well better luck next time. But this, is aweful.



And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook?

And then this:
On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 12:09 Gretorp wrote:
And i will be doing a huge post otnight most likely just got to get caught up since it grew a lot
When? Don't think we've forgotten.

Really? After everyone else has already agreed that he needs to respond and has been pressured, you jump on the bandwagon and offer this filler BS? You're going to have to do better than that. You also say that Xeris doesn't look scummy because we have nothing to go on, but his posts are more questionable than Gretorp, a player you are bandwagon pressuring. Are you just trying to protect Xeris, a scum friend?

9 (excluding me) people left. 3 are mafia. AnxiousHippo, Blurry, Gretorp, and Xeris have all drawn suspicion for either lurking, contradicting themselves, shady behavior, etc. Do I think the whole mafia is in these 4? NO. Do I think at least one, maybe of them is? Yes. In light of recent events, AnxiousHippo has done the most to damn himself in my eyes, but we're kinda stuck on Gretorp and Xeris until they answer or get modkilled. That leaves Blurry, I'll analyze his filter and post later.

Who's ProfBA? I thought you all were mistyping Prob but you kept saying it so I'm confused.

@Sheth This is the definition of OMGUS from the TL Newbie Thread Cookie linked: "OMGUS: Oh my God! You suck! Voting for someone just because they are voting for you"

Is this better guys? I'm really trying here.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 07:59 GMT
#469
On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote:
To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people.

Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone.

Cats, your poor bastard

You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post.

Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck.

Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers If they don't start posting, we're fucked.

As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism.


How is that copying others' arguments? No one else has quoted those parts of AnxiousHippo's post that I did. Others are suspicious of him, yeah. But no one used what I did as part of an argument. Do I have to pick a random person no one's talking about to be taken seriously?
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 08:01 GMT
#470
@Prob forgot about your question but it's 3 AM here so I'm going to bed. will answer when I get up and re-read filters.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 08:02 GMT
#471
EBWOP:

On January 07 2012 10:30 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I'm working on the bandwagon analysis


And AH, whose bandwagon analysis are you working on? Your own?
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 15:11 GMT
#476
@Prob I was worried somebody would get confused by the way I quoted your post. I was using yours to show that AH's was very similar to yours, making it bandwaggony. I was probing AH for why he complimented my last paragraph, not you. If you notice the whole post was about AH. I should have been more clear though.
meow
CatsnHats
Profile Joined October 2011
United States199 Posts
January 07 2012 15:44 GMT
#477
EBWOP: I'm going to make it more clear. I was using Prob's post to show that AH's post was very similar to Prob's, and since AH's was much later, it was bandwaggony. I don't want you misunderstand what I say again.
meow
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