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On December 14 2011 11:53 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:50 prplhz wrote:
@zeks
How did you go from "Nisani201 is a lurker" to "Nisani201 is town"? can the subset of lurkers not intersect with the subset of town players? what has he said that has seem overly scummy to you over another lurker like evantrees or refallen and why the hell have we jumped around 4 different candidates this late this is terrible
On December 14 2011 11:58 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Zeks, could you answer the question though please? I am merely comparing the situations in which who would give us more to work with the next day assuming both are dead townies
For those who don't feel like going through the pages I linked.
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@Zeks sense your active now, would you care to explain the reason when asked "How did you go from 'Nisani201 is a lurker' to 'Nisani201 is town'?" you replied with no answer.
Then when asked a second time, you answer that you were "merely comparing the situations in which you would give us more to work with the next day assuming both are dead townies". I don't believe either of these answered the question and the second time doesn't seem to make sense to me either. After you answer these, do you still think Nisani is town?
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EBWOP He answered me before I posted.
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On December 15 2011 03:34 zeks wrote:
Sheth you ask an overwhelming amount of questions and reasoning for seemingly everything and if I don't answer in an allotted time thats supposed to be a scum tell
I understand you probably have some bad blood against me just cause I built a long case on you a while back but go filter me and you'll see I've been pro town the whole time with nothing to hide
I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again.
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@zeks Also having gone over most of the recent posts this morning other then that thing with you, the main person I thought looked the scummiest was Evantrees. Could you filter him and see if you agree? I'm going to look through his filter again as well.
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@Zeks gotcha, I'm getting a clean read from you now, no worries. I'll stlll be watching, but I'm pretty happy with your defence.
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@Zeks like who?
I feel like Evantrees is either bad scum, or bad townie. Not really recomending we do a Check/Vig tonight, but would like to discuss Lynch if hes still around tomorrow.
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Going to the gym, picking up my computer. Will be back before night is over. Will be on my phone reading over everything.
Please lets during the night, really focus on who we want Vig shotted. I don't think figuring out who we want rolechecked is smart and we already know who the medics are on.
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Ok I'm back.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Radfield wrote:
Well, so much for my protection....
Ok, so Arctocod for Secretary of Defence. Then the medic ability can be WIFOMed between the two of us. Someone who is very likely town in Surgeon General, probably Gigyas.
I assume someone took a hit last night?
On December 15 2011 12:45 Radfield wrote:
Whoops, I read the Surgeon General wrong. He does not act as a medic himself, instead he makes a different player a medic with 2 protections.
Not sure what the best play is there then. I'll think about it in the morning.
Was your writing of both of these just an accident? You said that the ability could be WIFOM'ed between two people in a post before and then this one you say that you read it wrong. It seems that you already knew this.
Giygas + Arcto are the obvious two picks for the positions. Arcto, your acting unlike you this last day. I'm not very happy that you killed Eiii without waiting to hear him respond. And with all of the elected other powers, like pardoner / mayor we agreed that it should be majority. Why is it so different here in Giygas ONLY asking you Arcto? I really think this was if nothing else stupid. Even if we have one person who is "for sure clean" which I think Arcto is, its stupid to only go off of his oppinion. I realize I havn't been here for this so I can't complain too much. But I'm really suprised in this. Why did you just decide to take this power just on yourself Arcto? We could have discussed more as a group who we wanted to vig shot and then went with that. I even posted before I went "Hey lets figure out who we should vig shot this night" and then it wasn't figured out as a group, but only as you two. I understand why you did this and its easy for me to judge, but still.
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On December 15 2011 12:31 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote:
I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts. I think Arc should be the secretary, since the surgeon role is probably simpler, and we don't even know what the SoD does. Probably Arc would be experienced enough to do a better job of the SoD. Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth?
The fact that I suspected Prplhz adds a slight percentage more that I could be mafia. It doesn't say anything more about me being town. Other people have had other false calls, like Eiii for instance. Or even as a group we did Spaackle. Those who suspected Prplhz or Eiii or xsksc have the same thing applied to them. Just a slightly higher chance there mafia. It only really means something if someone defends or really attacks someone who flips mafia.
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@ViscaraEyes you've been really aggressive. And really aggressive on nuke as well. If you had to vote now, who would you "call down the thunder" on?
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Ok, well its sleep time for me. Sad I didn't come on earlier. Will try and be on whenever I can tomorrow, planning on streaming as much as I can. Till tomorrow
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Okay, if I said I want I'm getting a really scum read on Giygas would anyone know why?
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EBWOP : Just woke up, meant to say "If I said I'm getting a really scum read on Giygas would anyone know why?"
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Ok, done streaming. I'm going to post a long theory that I want to discuss with you guys and get your reads on. Get ready.
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First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this.
So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do.
It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them.
If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot.
This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely.
After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot.
As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill.
This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante.
I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet.
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Deus, sense its obvious your here, please what do you think of this?
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Why do you think the 1KP was used on you then?
And I could have made a TL:DR of it I geuss that simplifies it a bit. That Giygas' role could be mafia and part of it was that the first person messaged "appears to be shot" and the second person actually is. I dont' think its that far fetched of a role, as that role was basically created in this game, minus the 2 mafia parts.
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On December 16 2011 05:09 GreYMisT wrote:
While that is a "possible" explination sheth, It is far too prone to risks for a scum team to attempt. If what you are saying is true and arcto and giygas are scum, then they would be in an even better position now if they had just left arcto in office, and used the kp on a more active townie than Eii.
Now that MrZentor has been confirmed I would like to hear what Zeks has to say, he has been at MrZentor's throat for a while now.
I'm not implying Arcto is scum. Only that theres a chance Giygas' ability was scum.
@risk.nuke Hm, I can see what you mean. But I think if medics didn't save Arcto, we'd kill medics. That was the plan a while back. We made absolutely sure that medic should be on Arcto. All medics or medic abilities even should be on Arcto. I think if mafia decided to take a luck shot, that its likely mafia isn't full of veterans.
@Zeks, it was really complicated how I said it. I geuss I should have went for the smaller way of writing it, but it just made so much sense in my head. I think its still very possible that Giygas' role is scum. I still don't have a great reason for why they'd kp Arcto.
I get that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, I just don't see any really simple answers as to why Arcto was shot. That said, I will drop it. I'm not completely convinced, but as I haven't read giygas' filter I geuss I should do that too. I just thought this was a pretty good explaination for that oddity.
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Ok, as I'm reading through everyones filter I want to bring up two points that haven't been brought up yet.
I think theres a chance mafia can mess with our Lynch like they messed with our Election. So I'd like to have a backup lynch discussion as well.
Secondly I think we need a third person who we would vote in, in case Mafia can remove one election candidate again.
I geuss as another point, bumatlarge please do what VisceraEyes did; re-read what you can when you can and comment on what you think about it.
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