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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1124
On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:
No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum.
same for Zentor.
Why?

Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.


Okay, this post.

What is going on with this post?

He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why?

Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing).

My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder.

Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously?

You do realise that YOU are nisani...


He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now...

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.


Really, because I want nuke dead. He acted like acro purposely resigned from office, then tried to get it himself. MAFIA He said I shouldn't think his mafia, because he stopped people from bandwagonning me. He didn't do anything, people still bandwagonned me. He wants to make it looks like he did a lot of good without actually doing any good. MAFIA

I am pretty sure we will get a scum if we lynch him in the day.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 16:28 GMT
#1323
On December 15 2011 12:46 zeks wrote:
wow both my calls were off as @#!*% i suck as town


Mafia.

On December 15 2011 13:35 GreYMisT wrote:
Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next.


I'd like to be elected. Also, for future record and in case I am not on later or I suddenly die, here is a list of people, whom I think are mafia. Sheth, Zeks, Risk.nuke
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 18:11 GMT
#1330
On December 16 2011 01:36 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 01:28 MrZentor wrote:
On December 15 2011 12:46 zeks wrote:
wow both my calls were off as @#!*% i suck as town


Mafia.

On December 15 2011 13:35 GreYMisT wrote:
Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next.


I'd like to be elected. Also, for future record and in case I am not on later or I suddenly die, here is a list of people, whom I think are mafia. Sheth, Zeks, Risk.nuke


Claims unlynchable day 1 and "useless" after that

Still has failed to answer my question about what his role name is

Half assed effort to run for a position to get a pardon

However I'll give you my vote today
not for election but for lynch

scum


I told you I am not going to answer a mafia.
If anybody who I don't think is mafia, everybody but the people on that list, asks me, I will answer.
I am only doing running for an office, because somebody else suggested it.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 18:18 GMT
#1333
Also, I am going to reduce my mafia list to risk.nuke and zeks.
Zeks has been pressuring Sheth the whole game, so it's unlikely they're both mafia. Zeks looks scummier, so I am going to stick with him. It's also interesting that he did an analysis on one of the easiest people to do an analysis on, Sheth. Sheth was one of the easiest people to blame, because he was new to the game.

Zeks and Risk reek of scum.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 18:50 GMT
#1336
On December 16 2011 03:31 Arctocod wrote:
Supersoft why are you alive? Is annul going to play today?


Rad while your play on the whole looks solid, I can't help but to return to the way the lynch went.

Show nested quote +
"I'm voting for evantrees. Anyone who wants to follow me is more than welcome. "

"That's actually a pretty good point ProBad. Lets go with Spaackle."

"Lets solve the risk.nuke question on another day. I say we hit spaackle."


While that's something I could say, that doesn't really look like typical radfield behavior. You even acknowledged after xlviii that your play was too passive and you need to be more confident and now you just randomly switch to someone and barely justify it?

Mrzentor: Claim please. Full claim.


This could end very badly for me. -.-

I'm the Floridian, once per game, I can extend the day by 24 hours, which is why I couldn't by lynched that night. I was going to use my ability that night if I thought there was a chance of getting a better pardon/lynch victim. I only claimed to be useless in the hopes that mafia wouldn't kill me. I would like to be elected general of Secretary of Defense now, so doctors will have a higher motivation for healing me, so I won't die next night.

Zeks and Risk.nuke are mafia.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#1349
I hope you guys realize I'm confirmed town now and, we should kill nuke.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 15 2011 21:11 GMT
#1366
On December 16 2011 05:11 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:06 MrZentor wrote:
I hope you guys realize I'm confirmed town now and, we should kill nuke.

We confirmed your role, not your alignment. You are likely town, but far from confirmed. Your role seems pro-town, but Eii's role seemed more pro-scum than pro-town, and yet he was town. So clearly that is not enough to confirm anything. Also, with all the last minute vote-switching/the withdrawal of Arctocod day 1...why in the hell did you not extend that day?

If you looked through my pasts, you would have seen my explanation; I was fine with how the lynch and election ended up.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 16 2011 22:28 GMT
#1660
Hey guys! I'm usually more active, but I didn't see anything I could really comment on, so now I am just going to say that we should kill Curu and after we see if he is scum or not, go from there. Curu is most likely mafia because of his scummy silencer, so that's why I'm voting for him.

Bye for now!

P.S. To all of you who are complaining about the long day, sorry. I'd like to lynch tonight as well, but this extra day will give us more time to collect our thoughts and form new accusations!
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 17:04 GMT
#1742
On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that...
It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him...


On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's @#!*% retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.


do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ?

I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum.

Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.
A little over 2 hours remain in the day.


There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it.

Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described.

Ehh wtf move palmar?


And he tries to get the role of pardoner.

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as @#!*% don't want him to be pardoner.

Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.


It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum.

I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074

Well, I did play mafia for a year before I joined forum mafia. Technically, this is my third game, but in the first two I died on the first day or on the first night. I don't see how an extra 24 hours is pro scum.
On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:
On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that...
It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him...

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On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's @#!*% retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.


do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ?

I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum.

Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability


On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.
A little over 2 hours remain in the day.


There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it.

Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described.

Ehh wtf move palmar?


And he tries to get the role of pardoner.

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as @#!*% don't want him to be pardoner.

Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.


It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum.

I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074



This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.


Let me explain my 2 hour before election reasoning.

1. An ability was used to kick a person out of office, because if the person resigned, he would have given an explanation.

2.This ability would be ridiculously OP if mafia could use it 20 seconds before elections, so the ability probably has to be used a certain time (a couple of hours) before the election.

3. Mafia, using this role, would like to give as little time as possible for the town to think about a new candidate.

4. The moderator, when posting, pointed out that there were a little more than 2 hours remaining.

5.Therefore, the ability had the limitations that it had to be used no closer than 2 hours away from the election.
It really makes risk.nuke scummy, doesn't it?

I notice these types of things.

P.S. I would love to talk to you
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 21:04 GMT
#1753
On December 18 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 05:49 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liquid`Sheth
Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it?


this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear...

A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow.


I thought I proved I was town.
Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 21:42 GMT
#1759
On December 18 2011 06:33 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 06:04 MrZentor wrote:
On December 18 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote:
On December 18 2011 05:49 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liquid`Sheth
Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it?


this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear...

A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow.


I thought I proved I was town.
Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town.


you have a 70/30-town/scum-ratio role. Your overall behaviour is really scummy.


Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote:
I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections?


there will be no medic on zentor, that's for sure.

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote:
Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None.


I didn't check it yet, but if he really accused evantrees, I think he might be innocent. evantrees looks even more scummy to me right now.


I really don't like you.

I give hard evidence I'm town, but you still don't believe me. I'm confirmed town just like GigyaS and worth protecting just like him. The medics shouldn't listen to you, because you can't see facts right in front of your eyes.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 21:51 GMT
#1761
On December 18 2011 06:47 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
you don't need protection, since it doesn't matter if your dead or alive. That sounds hard but it's true. You won't be able to lead this town later in the game. In fact, I am not 100% sure that you're town and Arctocod obviously isn't either. Now better contribute something and commentate about the other players that are in the spotlight right now:

sheth,
bumatlarge,
evantress,
cascades


A confirmed innocent person is always useful.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 21:54 GMT
#1763
On December 18 2011 06:47 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
you don't need protection, since it doesn't matter if your dead or alive. That sounds hard but it's true. You won't be able to lead this town later in the game. In fact, I am not 100% sure that you're town and Arctocod obviously isn't either. Now better contribute something and commentate about the other players that are in the spotlight right now:

sheth,
bumatlarge,
evantress,
cascades


Sheth is likely scum, I would put him at the top of the lynch list for tomorrow.

Bumatlarge is more of a lurker and should only be killed if we have nobody else.

Evantress and Cascades are a bit suspicious, and I'm sure the cases on them will grow.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#1765
On December 18 2011 06:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
but you aren't confirmed :-[


Using a role that helps the town for all to see isn't confirmed?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2011 00:01 GMT
#1775
On December 18 2011 08:20 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 07:20 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 18 2011 06:55 MrZentor wrote:
On December 18 2011 06:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
but you aren't confirmed :-[


Using a role that helps the town for all to see isn't confirmed?

You're town. Lets not argue about this more, it's a pro town abillity. The host cant be so crual as to give that to mafia, it would be unfairly crual. You've done things like you not use your abillity when arctocod was withdrawn and town was in panic. Since I don't think even the slightest that you are scum your behavior isn't scummy but just newbie play. And even though you're town you're also confirmed green throw in that a medic just might choose to protect you because you are confirmed town. This combined equals you're not an as attractive target as you belive.


Explain how his power is pro town

Sure extended day = more time for town to think over their lynches thus it may seem its a pro town ability

But the power I think is somewhat similar to a pardon given that a scum was on the chopping block, the user can possibly give that scum more time to clear himself

MrZentor had no choice but to use his power to prove he wasn't lying per Arctocods request

MrZentor is not confirmed period



Even in that situation, if the person were mafia, the more time the people had to look at him, the more guilty he would seem. The town has the power during the day, and the mafia has power during the night. Extending the amount of time that the town has power and therefore increasing the likelihood of them using it correctly is pro town. Period.

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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2011 16:50 GMT
#1844
Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable.


I merely said I couldn't be lynched that night and let you guys guess after that.

For the double lynch, we should probably kill Sheth and Greymist.

Sheth defended the mafia godfather a lot, and his excuse for it is weak.

Grey led the election of PBA as pardoner.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 18 2011 18:03 GMT
#1855
Risk.nuke, do you think Sheth is scum?

Why or why not?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 19 2011 16:51 GMT
#1940
On December 19 2011 23:54 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 23:46 zeks wrote:
A thought:

Don't know if this is just the set up by kita or what but I remember Zentor claiming Floridian but his power was extending day

If I remember correctly the role Floridian gives the user an extra vote? Kind of find his role name claim fishy but again in a closed setup maybe kita modified it



Yes, that is actually quite strange. I did a bit of a double take at the time, but just ignored it given that the day extension power is quite pro-town.

MrZentor, do you also have a secondary ability of a double vote?

evantrees, I assume you are blue, do you have an investigative role?


All it does is extend the day by 24 hours once per game. :/
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 19 2011 22:03 GMT
#1987
We should definitely lynch Grey today and, depending on what he flips, build or weaken the case against Sheth.

I also really wanted to post on page 100.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 19 2011 22:13 GMT
#1990
On December 20 2011 07:05 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Whats your case against me right now Zentor? I know there is one, I'm just saying, whats yours? Why lynch grey and not myself for instance?


Good question! I don't really have a case against you, everybody else does, and I agree with them. Well, currently Grey looks a lot more scummier than you do, and lynching Grey will give clues on whether you are mafia or not, so it would be much better to lynch him first! If you need specifics, prompt me, and I will be glad to spend a lot more of my time engaging in conversation about why it's much better to lynch you than Grey!
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