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On December 16 2011 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Going over the filters, I've coded things by how I perceive them…black for null, red for scummy and green for townie. If I'm mistaken (like, if something is really null that I've called scummy), let me know…workin' on my GAME bro! MarserBloodOpening post doesn't say much. Basically says "I don't know who to elect or lynch" Decides who to elect, not sure who to lynch. Zeks isolation analysis. Cites that he chose Zeks because he was "one of the suspicious persons," but finds his contributions satisfactory and chooses to vote MrZentor because of "a scummy post" he made, and lack of "obvious scum" to vote. Also states aversion to lynching lurkers for obvious reasons (no info, probably town, etc.) Here and here he states suspicion that Mafia was behind the removal of Palmogism from the electoral running. Also "congratulates the doc" in dismaying over the loss of a blue. But taken with wanting to talk about something at night, I still get a null read from these posts. Here I can't tell if he's trying to appear pro-town or trying to maintain a productive atmosphere in town, so again…null. Soft-defends Radfield from an attack by risk.nuke. Verdict: Null leaning Town. nyczbrandonNotes his inexperience. You only get one freebie guy.  Short response to Spaackle saying he should think for himself. Uh oh… another appeal to his newbishness… He also comments on Zeks, saying he was suspicious before, but because he called out Sheth for a perceived contradiction….what? He's not suspicious anymore? He doesn't say. But he does say that he'll vote for MrZentor or Sheth. Sheth I assume for the 'contradiction', and Zentor because he "seems to change votes a lot." I don't know, it seems to me like a raw-newbie wouldn't consider indecision as a scum-tell. Possibly help from outside sources? His scum-buddies? I DON'T KNOW BRO! Here is something interesting. A raw-newbie asking about a modkill for not voting. I mean, okay, it's a valid question from anyone who read the OP…but this seems to indicate that he did NOT read the OP. Curiouser and curiouser. Verdict: Newb-Scum Lean
The reason i didn't vote for Sheth or Zentor because seemed like majority of people were bandwagoning Spaackle so I did as well. It was like last minute so I wasn't sure what to do. Also I responded to Zentor when he asked me why I said he was changing his votes a lot. I thought I saw him doing this and apoligized to him for wrongfully doubting him.
The reason I asked for modkill, because I think I remember Sheth posting that Nisani was the only person to not have voted for lynch.
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On December 16 2011 08:39 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:37 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Going over the filters, I've coded things by how I perceive them…black for null, red for scummy and green for townie. If I'm mistaken (like, if something is really null that I've called scummy), let me know…workin' on my GAME bro! MarserBloodOpening post doesn't say much. Basically says "I don't know who to elect or lynch" Decides who to elect, not sure who to lynch. Zeks isolation analysis. Cites that he chose Zeks because he was "one of the suspicious persons," but finds his contributions satisfactory and chooses to vote MrZentor because of "a scummy post" he made, and lack of "obvious scum" to vote. Also states aversion to lynching lurkers for obvious reasons (no info, probably town, etc.) Here and here he states suspicion that Mafia was behind the removal of Palmogism from the electoral running. Also "congratulates the doc" in dismaying over the loss of a blue. But taken with wanting to talk about something at night, I still get a null read from these posts. Here I can't tell if he's trying to appear pro-town or trying to maintain a productive atmosphere in town, so again…null. Soft-defends Radfield from an attack by risk.nuke. Verdict: Null leaning Town. nyczbrandonNotes his inexperience. You only get one freebie guy. Short response to Spaackle saying he should think for himself. Uh oh… another appeal to his newbishness… He also comments on Zeks, saying he was suspicious before, but because he called out Sheth for a perceived contradiction….what? He's not suspicious anymore? He doesn't say. But he does say that he'll vote for MrZentor or Sheth. Sheth I assume for the 'contradiction', and Zentor because he "seems to change votes a lot." I don't know, it seems to me like a raw-newbie wouldn't consider indecision as a scum-tell. Possibly help from outside sources? His scum-buddies? I DON'T KNOW BRO! Here is something interesting. A raw-newbie asking about a modkill for not voting. I mean, okay, it's a valid question from anyone who read the OP…but this seems to indicate that he did NOT read the OP. Curiouser and curiouser. Verdict: Newb-Scum Lean The reason i didn't vote for Sheth or Zentor because seemed like majority of people were bandwagoning Spaackle so I did as well. It was like last minute so I wasn't sure what to do. Also I responded to Zentor when he asked me why I said he was changing his votes a lot. I thought I saw him doing this and apoligized to him for wrongfully doubting him. The reason I asked for modkill, because I think I remember Sheth posting that Nisani was the only person to not have voted for lynch. Amazing when you come out of the woodwork as soon as you're accused.
:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it.
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On December 16 2011 08:43 GiygaS wrote:Risk's Steamship Filter.In our game, people could describe Risk as: - Chaotic - Aggressive - Accusations without evidence - Angry/A bit rude (No offense) In Steamship (Vanilla Townie): - Very well thought-out posts - Clear - Basically all of his accusations have evidence. - Polite, explains things for people clearly when needed. Does anyone else see these differences?
He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time.
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On December 16 2011 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although it occurs to me that whatever you find will likely be argued to be useless as he's claimed in-thread that he's "changing his playstyle up" this game, essentially rendering any meta research done pretty null.
But I'm totally interested in what you find mang, this was literally next on my to-do list. Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:44 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 08:43 GiygaS wrote:Risk's Steamship Filter.In our game, people could describe Risk as: - Chaotic - Aggressive - Accusations without evidence - Angry/A bit rude (No offense) In Steamship (Vanilla Townie): - Very well thought-out posts - Clear - Basically all of his accusations have evidence. - Polite, explains things for people clearly when needed. Does anyone else see these differences? He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time. Amazing.
What's so amazing about it? I remember reading your post so I posted this. Did u want me to quote you 
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Meh, was just trying to show GiyaGs something because he may of missed it when he was comparing filters. I'll try to go scum hunting but I know if i will find anything
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cascades seems more scummy to me.
Comprissent didn't post anything that would incriminate him. I saw that people were suspicous of him because of late voting. But, that is probably from the last minute bandwagoning as most of the people here have done. Though he has not posted his lynch targets yet.
cascades seemed to be also questioning Arctocod's town. It is apparent to many that Arctocod was forced out of running, and think that it may be on mafia side. He also posted that he hopes that mafia would kill all the vets. He said it was a joke or something but i dont know. Seems he may bare a grudge against hydras/vets
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Refallen looks more suspicous of the two, but both havent posted much I can use. I think they might both be town.
Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore.
TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason.
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On December 16 2011 09:35 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:19 nyczbrandon wrote:
Refallen looks more suspicous of the two, but both havent posted much I can use. I think they might both be town.
Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore.
TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason. What the hell kind of analysis is this? Your either not trying, or really like lurking.
I was being rushed to leave because my parents arrived and I had to go home. I just looked at their fillers and didnt see much. I thought that Rafallen being 2 hours before voting might of been coincidental because of him going to finals, but you may be right since I did not analyze the time and that Arcotod had been forced out of the election around the same time.
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On December 16 2011 10:28 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:25 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 09:35 Jitsu wrote:On December 16 2011 09:19 nyczbrandon wrote:
Refallen looks more suspicous of the two, but both havent posted much I can use. I think they might both be town.
Refallen has posted that he though that ProfB might be scum for random lynch, but later on posted that he did not look like it much anymore.
TotallyNotTwoPeople hasn't done much except going hard on Mr.Zentor for some reason. What the hell kind of analysis is this? Your either not trying, or really like lurking. I was being rushed to leave because my parents arrived and I had to go home. I just looked at their fillers and didnt see much. I thought that Rafallen being 2 hours before voting might of been coincidental because of him going to finals, but you may be right since I did not analyze the time and that Arcotod had been forced out of the election around the same time. Now that you have more time, you can actually post some content with your suspicions. Go ahead, we're waiting with bated breath.
Like i said before, i think that they are both town and are not very suspicous. TNTP didn't do anything that appeared scummy to me, he didn't do much day 1 and stated that he has been playing HoN. I'm not sure what I can learn from his filter.
For Refallen, he is a little more suspicous than TNTP.
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On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:12 Refallen wrote:
Oh wow, sorry I thought the day ends in 2 hours like in XLVIII, was trying to reread the thread. Will skim through and vote I guess.
And yes, why do you think I'm mafia rad? This caught my eye. He says something along the lines of "day ends in two hours." So, he comes into the game almost right after Arcto is forced out of the election to "Skim Read" over the thread again...I feel that the time he picked (two hours until deadline) and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending.
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On December 16 2011 09:52 Refallen wrote:
Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here.
The withdrawal from the election of Arctocod occured at 9:48. Around the time that Refallen says he wakes up. So it may certainly be a possibility that he is mafia scum rivaling the politician abilitites. Though I'm not sure if this is enough information.
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On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at?
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On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those
I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker.
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On December 16 2011 11:42 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:35 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker. This is it right here. From this post it is apparent that you know lurking is the wrong thing to do and that it hurts town. you also indicate that you have a choice in doing so or not. why is it then, that a town player would choose to lurk over being active and helping the town?
People said that lynching lurkers is bad and more likely to hit a lurking townie and would rather lynch a poster despite not having much information about both. I don't know if that is just for day 1 specifically but I think that seems like a viable reason for a townie to lurk.
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Doing bare minimum makes me seem like scum?
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On December 16 2011 11:50 Jitsu wrote:
It's funny, because your logic, to me, is terribly flawed. Lynching lurkers *is* bad, because it wastes potential positive scummy players. You want to lurk so you can survive to day 2? Well, it's Day2. So post some analysis.
Maybe evantrees will come to your rescue.
I haven't seen much to analyze so far and even if I do, many may have posted it already and would be deemed as useless. We still have time for day 2, around 48 hours. If i see something that catches my attention I will analyze it.
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On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead.
okay sure
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Sorry, was busy this weekend. Went to a christmas party o Saturday and had to do all my homework on Sunday, I will try to fulfill VE's last wishes
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zeks
His decisivness when accusing ProfessorBadass throughout the game seemed pro-town to me. He posted how he was suspicous of the timing of when ProfB ran for election as it was after Arctorod had been removed from the election. Would also try to connect the last minute vote switch of Spaackle to election of ProfB. Seemed even better when ProfB turned up as scum. If he were scum, he would not prompt a DT on a fellow mafia since he is not GF and will not come out as a different role.
Posts a seemingly convincible post about his suspicions of Sheth's play when he is a newcomer. Though he had posted a quote from the wrong player and was misinformed about other parts of Sheth's post. To me, this is a mistake made by zeks' suspicions of Sheth rather than intentionally using someone elses' post to accuse Sheth.
Continues to press Mr.Zentor on his alignment after revealing his role to everyone despite being apparent to others that it was pro town and not a scum ability.
Had backed up his Day 1 lynch rather than bandwagoning like many. I think scum in a situation where there was bandwagoning would try to conceal themselves and just vote without any words.
Two bad calls on xsksx and Eiii. He believed they were scum or suspicious, but turned up blue.
In the end, i think that he is blue. Accused ProfB and could of been a factor that led to him breaking down and giving up. Backs most of his suspicions with reasoning.
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On December 21 2011 06:10 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
CAN YOU PLEASE DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO?
Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM.
If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM.
And Vote for me in the election thread and Cascades in the lynchthread!!!
My role is vanille townie
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On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Okay, time for a short summary:
1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by
2. MarserBlood now jaj22
3. nyczbrandon
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I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game.
Especially:
Myself
10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum.
14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town
19. Radfield obviously
15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam
3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim
11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence
18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence
12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence
22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence
Null:
8. Refallen
5. Comprissent
9. Cwave
these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above.
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tonights plan:
I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him
Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed.
was looking at this list, i am red here
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i thought i would get a warning
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