TL Mafia XLVIII

On December 03 2011 20:44 hyshes wrote:
When is 8pm PST in KST?

On December 04 2011 21:26 Radfield wrote:


I'm not sure if I agree with that list. I could easily see 1 of those 6 being scum, not two.

I would narrow it down further if you want to go that route:

Radfield
Palmar
sandroba
syllogism

1 of those 4 are scum.

However, I think that kind of thinking is at complete odds to proper play. Towns can be stacked and still implode(Caller. BC and Fishball in Closed Casket), and mafia can be stacked and still get washed out(Radfield, iGrok, Kitaman, GGQ, DocH, Cyber_Cheese in LOTR). If hosts are smart they will start true RNGing the set-up and seeing how things turn out.

On December 04 2011 22:06 syllogism wrote:

Is this supposed to be a contribution? You can pretend everyone posted a list that didn't include their own name and then all those lists were assembled into one. Do you think not excluding your own name makes one more likely to be scum or not? More dishonest or more open?

On December 04 2011 22:29 syllogism wrote:

Because I woke up and the thread was pretty much completely empty and dead? Unfortunately I do have to have material to work with and establish my innocence. What do you think my activity implies?

On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote:
Okay so here it is:

Syllogism: Unless he found a new love for being mafia exactly this game, I'm pretty surre he is town. He could have opted to post waaaay less day1 and still I wouldn't suspect him, because that's usually how he operates. Instead he is getting this thread moving, posting a shitton and generating discussion.

Radfield: Pretty active, but for him that doesn't mean as much. Leaning town on him for now, only because his posts are not as carefully constructed as when he is mafia.

Palmar: Kinda inactive day 1, but I can't really say shit about that, since I was inactive myself. It's worth keeping an eye on him, since I'm having a bad feeling about his posts (pretty much reharsh of previous games posts), but still a retarded choice for a lynch day1.

These guys shouldn't even be discussed for a lynch day1, since they have a high chance of being shot night 1 when town.

On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote:
What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there.

On December 07 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:


Annul is playing very simillar to what he did day1 in the last game, which made me suspicious of him. However he did shape up day 2 and I was able to correctly identify him as town that game. I'll reserve judgement to tomorrow if I'm alive, if not it's up to you bastards to decide.
@Annul Can you please point me to a game where you lasted a bit as scum, I'm in a mood to read right now.

Both kingjames and risen put out a lot of effort yesterday when they already knew Hier flips was inevitable. Hier's alignment was at that point a blind guess so it's very suspicious behaviour indeed as no townie would know for sure the outcome of the lynch and any effort at that time was simply being converted into looking good and uselesly defending an innocent who was about to flip. They are both very suspicious and should be looked into with more detail.

QUOTE]On December 07 2011 02:01 hyshes wrote:



I consider sandroba the scumiest from atm. Lanaia did not insta-delurk there.. why would you say that?

On December 08 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote:


In 157 letters you managed to make two logical errors.

a) You cannot deduce anything about a person's alignment by other people's reactions to their posts.

b) Trying to spearhead lynches is generally not a scumtell.

This pains me because I think you're town, your posts during the night feel simply out of place if you're scum, unless of course the decision to kill syllo was made after his row with annul. But please, re-think your stance.

On December 08 2011 12:27 redFF wrote:
scumteam atm is palmar, prplhz, zephirdd mattchew and then someone else i dunno maybe rad?

The people on Annul's wagon have nothing to do with whether or not you should be supporting it.

On December 08 2011 23:37 Palmar wrote:


If you have a justified reason to believe the people voting annul are scum, then it's very likely the case on it's own should be too weak to follow anyway. So yes, this is logic. It's simply incorrect to dismiss a case based on the presumption that some players presenting or supporting the case might be scum, if the case is valid enough it should be followed.

On December 08 2011 23:59 Mattchew wrote:


you realize last time you did this... ace flipped town and you backed out

On December 09 2011 00:07 Mattchew wrote:


lol what? Please explain to me why you are actually willing to do this.

On December 09 2011 00:09 hyshes wrote:


bc i'm not letting palmar have free townkills

On December 09 2011 06:02 Toadesstern wrote:

it's hard because this is the first game we're playing together I think. I mean I shot you last game on n2 with my awesome vigpower but other than that I don't know much about your meta.

On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions

IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE

namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia?

On December 09 2011 10:27 hyshes wrote:
So annul is a special boy.. and toad just pushed the button on prplhz. Would be insane play if they were all three scum and bussed prplhz to get a free ride to victory. This senario is so insane it makes sense in my head.

Anyway.. still waiting whats about to happen.

On December 09 2011 10:33 Palmar wrote:
Holy fuck, town doesn't have two jacks, annul is scum.

On December 09 2011 10:34 vaderseven wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar

ill brb but wanted to not vote the guy that obv is not lieing.

On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:


to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well.
From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town

I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum.

On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&currentpage=85#1695

That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it.

On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions

IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE

namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia?

On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:


so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone?
Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.

On December 09 2011 11:29 vaderseven wrote:
Honestly, aanul has 100% verified his claim. What would a jack that can do a traditional cop be useful to as the mafia?

THINK PEOPLE THINK.

On December 13 2011 03:43 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar, since I want to listen to you,
if you had a vig shot and knew annul would be lynched tomorrow 100% who would you shoot,
if you were a jailor who would you jail, and
if you were a cop who would you check?

I would ask medic but I don't want scum to know that answer, the others I don't believe will help scum that much unless they have a framer and medic right?

On December 15 2011 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Known Townies

Drazerk
Truthbringer
Kingjames01
Vaderseven
Mattchew
Refallen

Known Mafia

Annul
Sandroba
Toadesstern
Visceraeyes
Risen

THE MAYBES
[b]
Jackal58
bumatlarge
hyshes
xsksc

Please Discuss

On December 18 2011 00:23 Drazerk wrote:
Lynch toad - 5 people
Mafia kill - 4 people
No lynch - 4 people
Mafia kill - 3 people

Looking at it vader or Kingjames will be the ones to die to the scum shots due to being power roles leaving us with -

Myself
Jackal
Hyshes

I am leaning on hyshes being scum but I am not sure about jackal at all -.-

On December 18 2011 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:
guess noone will ban me for playing against wincon if I vote myself?
##vote Toadesstern

On December 19 2011 04:24 Jackal58 wrote:
I never complained.