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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 03:29 GMT
#1909
Haven't read thread, notice a lynch in a bout 1/2 hour. Anything I should need to do?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 03:37 GMT
#1918
Sorry if my vote will be a little last minute but I would like to read up on as much as I can about the candidates. Annul, redff and palmar are the major peeps?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 03:51 GMT
#1941
Read throught redff's filter. I'm on town at the moment. Palmar started this game out with probably one of the worse posts I've seen him make, and redff wasted no time hammering it. + Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote:
Sup.

If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum:

Radfield
Palmar
Jackal
sandroba
syllogism
redFF
posts useless list
Show nested quote +
However I would never agree with lynching based on how we perceive the hosts balance games. They could just as well have randomized it or used some other method to balance it.
the very next thing he says basically calls the list useless

Show nested quote +
What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles?
I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing.

Show nested quote +
In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day.
I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way.


While that is more or less a null-tell for someone like redff, palmar is significantly scummier. Redff's posts from there are obnoxiously short, yet he seems heavily invested in palmar's alignment being scum. Palmar has claimed floridian (I'm assuming he proved it?) so I think he far from a safe lynch at this point with my limited knowledge. I haven't read any post by annul, and I do not get a scum read from redff.

Chance of town lynching town tonight: 90% Best bet is annul.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 03:55 GMT
#1945
On December 09 2011 12:54 vaderseven wrote:
Annul is trully not a good choice.


From what I can see he's better then redff. That guy has been pushing palmar the entire game? Where is the analysis on redff, or are we just voting blindly as usual?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 03:59 GMT
#1951
On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote:
The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town.

:/

Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense.


I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt.

HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 04:01 GMT
#1957
On December 09 2011 12:59 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote:
The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town.

:/

Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense.


I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt.

HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN?

no


Ah well fuck, sorry I'd rather no-lynch then vote blindly. I'll be reading the thread -_-
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#1969
On December 09 2011 12:59 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote:
The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town.

:/

Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense.


I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt.

HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN?

no


Why did you lie? Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well, and assuming a town floridian would counterclaim, Palmar has proven he has such a power. This does not bode well for my conclusion of you being town. -_-

Palmar is at worst a null-read, and other people should be prioritized. Reading annul's fliter did not bear much fruit other then that people's personalities are starting to mesh together for me. It appears some people were day-vigged, do we have claims from that? I may have missed them skimming the thread.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 11 2011 04:57 GMT
#2225
Well, I've been reading the past few pages a couple times an I can't really reach a verdict, so I have to go with my gut here.

Is drazerk normally like this? At least try to keep your line of play consistent yo. If you are trying to get shot, don't claim roleblock immune medic who post claim day 1. Reading your filter, Annul's analysis looks extremely solid. That said, this is completely different from the line of play I recall you play in the other games. You are still dead weight at this point as town, so it shouldn't be the least bit surprising that people are pushing you as town.

Drazerk would be the safe lynch. Annul seems to be the better lynch.

Annul's present play is very transparent. Obviously this lynch is very important, since scum will have na uphill climb if we lynch scum tonight with palmar zeph and toad (three people I'm fairly confident are not scum) still alive. Drazerk lynch or bust is very obvious, and drazerk has been playing awfully so I can see any argument against this. His line of play is VERY linear, but not completely desperate.

I would feel pretty bad if annul f flipped town at this point, but I have to go with palmar at this one, an trust drazerk is actually this dumb ....
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 11 2011 10:10 GMT
#2232
On December 11 2011 15:23 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 13:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Annul's present play is very transparent. Obviously this lynch is very important, since scum will have na uphill climb if we lynch scum tonight with palmar zeph and toad (three people I'm fairly confident are not scum) still alive. Drazerk lynch or bust is very obvious


you mean to tell me that my play only makes sense if i were red?

you dont think that a blue under constant pressure for two days straight should try to defend himself? lol

of course this lynch is important... because im blue and town shouldnt lynch a blue. is that all you see, that i am trying to get a lynch on an actual red instead of myself?


I think you're too smart to jump on drazerk for being stupid. I don't think drazerk is red, therefore you don't have a great record for targets this game. It's shame this stems off some lie, but it produced results. You would have played this differently as a blue. Immediately assuming drazerk is scum not it.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#2470
No one listens to Bum. When I say someone sn't mafia you listen
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 01:36 GMT
#2493
Oh look, everything I predicted is right, big surprise bum must be mafia because he cannot be this smart.

On December 09 2011 12:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Read throught redff's filter. I'm on town at the moment. Palmar started this game out with probably one of the worse posts I've seen him make, and redff wasted no time hammering it. + Show Spoiler +
On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote:
Sup.

If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum:

Radfield
Palmar
Jackal
sandroba
syllogism
redFF
posts useless list
Show nested quote +
However I would never agree with lynching based on how we perceive the hosts balance games. They could just as well have randomized it or used some other method to balance it.
the very next thing he says basically calls the list useless

Show nested quote +
What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles?
I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing.

Show nested quote +
In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day.
I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way.


While that is more or less a null-tell for someone like redff, palmar is significantly scummier. Redff's posts from there are obnoxiously short, yet he seems heavily invested in palmar's alignment being scum. Palmar has claimed floridian (I'm assuming he proved it?) so I think he far from a safe lynch at this point with my limited knowledge. I haven't read any post by annul, and I do not get a scum read from redff.

Chance of town lynching town tonight: 90% Best bet is annul.


If palmar and his medic are scum, they deserve to win at this point. He puts all his pressure and votes on someone and "the town" just completely change the direction of a relevant lynch. Yeah palmar and his nutty mafia schemes of pushing one person then having town vote off someone one else by MAGIC.

Annul is still my best guess for scum, none of his actions have changed that. Everyone who voted redff is either scum or stupid.

Please vote Annul, or please shoot me.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 01:49 GMT
#2496
On December 13 2011 10:47 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Please vote Annul, or please shoot me.


wifom bait


You see it isn't WIFOM, because either option works for me
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 01:50 GMT
#2497
PS:

Both even
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 01:53 GMT
#2502
On December 13 2011 10:50 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 10:49 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 13 2011 10:47 annul wrote:
On December 13 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Please vote Annul, or please shoot me.


wifom bait


You see it isn't WIFOM, because either option works for me


just because you may be immune to iocane powder doesnt make it wifom for everyone else


There did you what see I...

On December 13 2011 10:50 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 10:49 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 13 2011 10:47 annul wrote:
On December 13 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Please vote Annul, or please shoot me.


wifom bait


You see it isn't WIFOM, because either option works for me


Bummmmm why do you want to die


Redff lynch was dumb, and I wasn't here to tell everyone how dumb they were, and it's redff's fault, and he was town. Me getting shot completes the cycle.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 02:04 GMT
#2506
Obviously, if annul is scum, we have a solid list in the redff column.

Drazerk, TruthBringer, vaderseven, annul, Risen, Zephirdd, Toadesstern, Mattchew, Jackal58, Refallen, kingjames01

Go nuts DTs. Really disappointing to see drazerk, zeph and toad here. What do I know anymore.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 02:51 GMT
#2508
On December 13 2011 11:12 annul wrote:
im not scum, and i still like the drazerk kill even though he supported me.


I'd be cool if he got shot, but he is not a lynch target. That's one thing drazerk got right.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 04:31 GMT
#2514
No surprises there, smart people vote annul. You can't switch your votes to redff this time!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 13 2011 05:57 GMT
#2518
On December 13 2011 14:43 TruthBringer wrote:
Wow, this lynch is going to be brutal. The town has only 10 voters and 9 of them have to be correct.


And knowing this, isn't astounding that six people have posted and not voted annul when I would defend any scum bandwagon vote onto him. It's as if annul was really mafia. Perish the thought!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2011 04:51 GMT
#2650
That made me smile so hard.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2011 06:50 GMT
#2660
I don't think anyone is surprised by you voting one another. You both have very similar roles, so a minor difference looks very fake. I'm obviously staing on annul. I would like to know who claimed (or shot) first, as that would indicate that mafia might just have a day vig who decided to claim what the other person did. (Which seems fairly silly to fakeclaim a JOAT after someone claims it, so I think its logical to assume mafia has a JOAT as well)

No reason to divert off the discussion off these two. Hold your hyshes arguments for now.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:02 GMT
#2772
On December 15 2011 10:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 10:32 annul wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:30 TruthBringer wrote:
i dont think annul is a jack, and so therefore, i am a complete idiot who ignores the mountains of evidence proving otherwise


fixed


This version is better.

Annul is clearly....clearly a Jack. If you believe he's a Jack, and you believe that vaderseven is a Jack, then you HAVE to believe that Annul is the town-jack based on what he's pointed out. But clearly you are only interested in letting others think for you. But keep going with the sticking-your-fingers-in-your-ears logic, it might win you a game sometime. *shrug*

In the meantime, I'm going to spend all night trying to figure out IF we can win - at this point, even if annul flips scum, the odds are tipped against us.


Pointing things out is the scum road to townie points, I do it all the time. Based on real info and votes, we've concluded that annul was scum yesterday and because every townie seems to have brain lag, we are only lynhing him now. Redff was voted over annul, which I found pretty obsurd, but it was a good powerplay from scum.

I've seen too many popped day-vigis to really go into why this role is town and why that role is scum. All you need to know is that vader and annul have virtually similar roles that have small descrepancies, which I see little reason for if they both have the same thing. I think it's obvious one of them is lying, and that cinches it for Annul.

Case closed. I think you meant to say "I'm going to spend all night doing nothing because maybe I can rely on town tripping over themselves again". Well as long as we lynch annul we can still attempt to learn how to tie our laces.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:06 GMT
#2773
On December 15 2011 10:59 sandroba wrote:
Timezones differences suck =)


haha lol

all in favor of lynching sandroba raise their hands?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:08 GMT
#2776
Anyone who doesn't vote sandroba is scum.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:09 GMT
#2779
Go now, do it, I was wrong about annul.

PROVE UR TOWN ANNUL, VOTE SANDROBA. IM SORRY
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:15 GMT
#2784
On December 15 2011 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
If Sand flips scum can we PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE lynch vaderseven tomorrow? Don't make me beg...


As much as I hate to say it, I think that seems to be in order. If sandroba flips scum, annul is town, vader should be scum as well.

Don't act like this is our fault sandroba, maybe brazil should start making better watches
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 02:18 GMT
#2785
4/9, xsksc, truthbringer and vader (if he isn't scum) need to vote sandroba, or you will be lynched.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:05 GMT
#2823
On December 15 2011 11:44 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 11:38 xsksc wrote:
I want to do the logical thing, go with the evidence and lynch annul who I've had a scum read on for days.

This is how I feel, completely.

Voting someone I'm unsure about is NOT claiming mafia, thank you very much.
If you really think that makes me scum, awesome.
Leaving now, not changing vote, be back in a couple hours.


That's not a completely unrealistic situation. Annul could be on the scum team with sandroba. Sandroba does this stunt, buts annul certain immunity, and almost guarentees an eventual mislynch with vader? Highly unlikely, but don't throw your scum analysis of annul into the trash.

(nah hes probably town, im just mad that im wrong)

Important thing is taking our lynch when we can.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:07 GMT
#2824
Oh I almost forgot!

On December 15 2011 11:39 xsksc wrote:
But Sandroba, why the fuck did you post that if you're town, like seriously? It can taken entirely the wrong way, it's actually making me re-consider my stance on annul. Fuck.


Scum.

On December 15 2011 11:44 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 11:38 xsksc wrote:
I want to do the logical thing, go with the evidence and lynch annul who I've had a scum read on for days.

This is how I feel, completely.

Voting someone I'm unsure about is NOT claiming mafia, thank you very much.
If you really think that makes me scum, awesome.
Leaving now, not changing vote, be back in a couple hours.


Scum.

On December 15 2011 11:33 TruthBringer wrote:
I don't think we have enough time to pull this off, especially because someone who we think is onboard with the switch could be a mafia and pull his vote at the last minute. Let's stick with annul, his claim is so full of holes. Rather than address the holes he is just insulting.


Scum.

Boy this game is tough!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:17 GMT
#2832
On December 15 2011 11:38 annul wrote:
holy shit

I TOLD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS


[image loading]
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:19 GMT
#2835
On December 15 2011 11:22 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 10:56 sandroba wrote:
LOL GG
/dance



Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 10:59 sandroba wrote:
Timezones differences suck =)


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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:21 GMT
#2838
On December 15 2011 11:36 sandroba wrote:
Seriously that was a fucking celebration for annul's final demise. I'm not mafia, don't screw this up people. It's really funny how 50 people come out of hiding when there is the slightest chance they have a way out of voting annul. Just stop.


Yeah, celebrating with a "gg" after a flip that never happened, when the verdict wasn't even posted. There was no way you could be sure.

[image loading]
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:55 GMT
#2847
On December 15 2011 12:52 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 12:46 Risen wrote:
On December 15 2011 12:43 vaderseven wrote:
So we ahve 10 on him and 6 on annul?

There is 6 mafia left right now, assuming a worst case and there is 6 voting for San right now that last minute change AND annul is actually town (which a red flip on San would most certainly support), they could bring that to 6 on San and 12 on annul.

##unvote Annul
##vote sandroba


That brings us to 11 on San and 5 on annul, worst case vote changing can bring that to 7 on San and 11 on Annul.

What is the needed for a lynch?


We need 9 for a lynch.


This fucking sucks. This game is in the hands of scum. If the scum are co-ordianted and at least one of annul/san is town, the scum win.

Horse shit.


If that was the case they would have already won. It isn't instant majority lynch, so town still can react to votes, and as long as nearly every townie votes correctly, we can win. Shot in the dark, but with what we just saw, it's more likely then it was a few hours ago.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 03:57 GMT
#2849
On December 15 2011 12:55 sandroba wrote:
You guys are a real terror. We lose now. I can't accept it being my fault, so I'm not going to apologize.


If you are town, that one post is the single worse post I have ever seen in my life. If you are scum, it's just an innocent mistake, but you can't expect us to not act on it.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:04 GMT
#2866
I no longer have an inkling of a clue as to what is going on.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:05 GMT
#2870
##Shoot: xsksc
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Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:07 GMT
#2873
On December 15 2011 13:06 annul wrote:
nice try bum, the command for this game is ##kill


Well its good for the scare tactic.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:09 GMT
#2878
ok haha now i get it. Oh well, every townie should have lynched sandroba anyway
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:13 GMT
#2890
Yeah, it still seeme like the right move in lylo, we had no real leads after annul. I guess playing assuming everyone will respond immediately is a bit poor, but taking advantage of activity levels, while smart, seems a little bit below the belt. I'll gladly take the loss for an exciting ending

How do you know not every other townie is a vig? :D
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Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:15 GMT
#2895
Now you're getting cocky annul, saying you sent your hits in? Interesting

I think you could have played this a bit more optimally.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:21 GMT
#2913
On December 15 2011 13:17 Refallen wrote:
They have a roleblocker though.


Well, this may come as a surprise, but some of us townies haven't role claimed yet
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:25 GMT
#2924
WOW ANNUL STOP RUSHING US. You just got done butt-raping us BECAUSE people weren't here. LOOK AT ME I'M ANNUL AND I DEMAND CONVENIENCE. SCUM CLAIM JOAT CLAIM 3RDPARTY IN A BOAT CLAIM.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:27 GMT
#2927
On December 15 2011 13:27 Risen wrote:
I just can't see town having even MORE roles. This shit can't possibly be fair with a semi-competent town if you guys have more power roles.


But it can be fair with a 3rd party. You never know in these closed set-ups!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:52 GMT
#2978
Annul.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:52 GMT
#2983
On December 15 2011 13:52 Refallen wrote:
VOTING ANNUL WITH THE FORCE OF A THOUSAND SUNS


AND MY AXE!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:57 GMT
#2995
On December 15 2011 13:55 sandroba wrote:
k townies we have no clue what the fuck happened lol


Oh dear, that sounds familiar

Today: Annul
Tomorrow: Sandroba
Next: xsckdx
Next: Toad
Next: Viscera
Next: Risen
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 04:59 GMT
#3000
oh my bad, read your name in the wrong slot.

Today: Annul
Tomorrow: Sandroba
Next: Toad
Next: Viscera
Next: Risen


yeah there is someone missing isnt there lol
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 05:04 GMT
#3009
Annul is guarenteed power role. We don't know what he fasn't used yet. I'd love to hear reasons why other scum memebers might be roleblockers.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 05:04 GMT
#3010
EBWOP: Which* members are roleblockers
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 15 2011 07:17 GMT
#3063
I really dont mind waiting for tomorrow, I think a lot of players are asleep, and there is nothing in the rules to hold off on actions until the specified time.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 16 2011 02:09 GMT
#3179
Best of luck mates
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