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On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695
That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it.
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On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it. Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this: Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it.
so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone?
Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.
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ok I'm back and first of all I got to rethink the erandorr vote. Couldn't really sleep after what happened yesterday and thought about a lot of stuff.
First things first. Yeah wbg told us to not peak about it but erandorrs replacement busts my case on him. I still think I might be right here but I'm not going to vote someone who I think might,possibly,whatsoever be scum. To be honest I did not know who I should vote for yesterday as it was already 3am and I got tired as hell.
Next thing: I think annul is town. Palmar says annul should have shot himself and said it's not makeing sense. I do agree to some point but at the some time I think his argument is just invalid. If palmar really is town and annul really is mafia. Wouldn't annul just go ahead and shoot palmar like 10 minutes before the deadline? We had 11 votes on him, with all the euros gone and palmar dead that'd be an instant -2 votes on annul because of the anon vote. If I were annul and I were mafia I'd just not have risked what he did yesterday. If annul really was mafia there was probably no chance of lynching him in the first place. Sure shooting palmar n2 and seeing him flip green would be probably mean an auto lynch day3 but in his situation, given he's a mafia, I'd be happy to survive the lynch and take a green-Vet player with me.
I'd say he's town. What happened yesterday was crazy but I don't see him doing that as a mafia. I'd rather see him shooting palmar nevertheless to secure his ass.
Third issue, about who I got to shoot. As mentioned I would have LOVED to shoot drazerk because I still don't believe a word he says and I'm calling his claim bullshit. However I looked up what other people I think are townie think about him (rad for example) and frankly I was the only one who wanted to see him dead. So I figured I need someone else. Having rads "probably scum" list already opened I checked who rad thinks might be suspicious and yes, the guy that is on both our lists without a '?' was prp so I shot him. That's the consensus I was talking about.
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On December 09 2011 23:57 Zephirdd wrote:
Hi, I fucking destroyed that Calculus test I had to do. I had zero hours of sleep tonight, but after it I slept like an angel. Go figure.
I'll just throw this out.
Scum is
annul, sandroba, xsksc(from Corrupt), kingjames01, Radfield and Toadesstern
More to come tomorrow.
bye.
Ok I'm not going to ask for annul as I can see how people are still argueing about him and I won't ask for me as all you said so far is that you got a fuzzy fealing about me.
However I'd really like to know why you think sandroba, corrupt, kingsames and radfield are scum. I actually would agree on 2 people but I'd like to know why you think so.
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On December 10 2011 00:16 Mattchew wrote:
did annul mason toad?
I did not get pms from annul or something like that. And V7 said on n1 he can't use 2 powers per cycle. That's the reason we wanted a medic on him instead of a watcher because he was not able to use his other powers. So If annul is telling the truth and is a jack (and not just a regular day-vig) he can't use mason until tomorrow because he shot someone this cycle.
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I still call Drazerk a liar sandroba so I'm not that sure about your medic statement. What about he claims his protection like 1 second before the deadline? Mafia won't risk to wait that long because if they're too late they probably just lose their kps?
If he claimes someone bullshit (idk, like "I saved LurkerXYZ but he didn't get shot", well yeah that's not proving a thing because noone is going to shoot that guy) I want to lynch him.
If he claimes an okayish protection and fails to do so I want to lynch him (unless there's some KP missing, because that could mean a doublestack for whatever reason).
If he claims someone reasonable who is not shot that night I'm ok with it.
If he claims someone reasonable, that guy tells us he got shot and still lives I'm saying he's confirmed town.
This is a serious suggestion. If there are flaws in my argumentation please come in this thread and tell me because I don't want to screw another day. I don't care if you're calling me out on this one but I do care if I am responsible for another failure because I might be missing something horribly obvious, so think about it and tell me what you think!
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On December 10 2011 05:49 sandroba wrote:
Well is Drazerk a liar? It's within the realm of possibilities, but that just comes back to my previous point. Him claiming right before the deadline also proves nothing if he is mafia.
Ok I see your point because if he is mafia he knows who is going to get killed and therefore can choose someone reasonable who is not going to die. Fair enough.
What about the same thing except that he's only a null-read if he chooses a reasonable target but the guy did not get shot at all?
Well and if he choses someone reasonable, we got a KP missing and the guy who got shot claims he got shot I'm okay with him. Even if he's mafia trying to save his ass with some stupid move like this, I don't actually mind that deal that much. Free -1KP without doing a thing. OR he really is a town medic. I'm more or less ok with both.
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because I felt we did not have a majority for Drazerk and Erandorr who were my primary targets at that point in time. At least I did not want to act selfish and just shoot who I thought was scummy without looking for recent accusations.
Therefore I looked up rads suspicious list and picked someone we both think is suspicious 
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On December 10 2011 06:16 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:12 Toadesstern wrote:because I felt we did not have a majority for Drazerk and Erandorr who were my primary targets at that point in time. At least I did not want to act selfish and just shoot who I thought was scummy without looking for recent accusations. Therefore I looked up rads suspicious list and picked someone we both think is suspicious But you implied that the majority of the town wanted prplhz to be shot. Two players is not the majority.
I never said such a thing. I said I would have loved to shoot Drazerk or Erandorr but did not. I looked up a couple of posts.
I thought rad's list is the best thing to go by and just pick someone we both think is scummy. That's the consensus I've mentioned. I just looked in his list. Saw we got a bunch of people we think are scummy in common and picked the guy who had neither a '?' in my head nor in his list. That's the deal.
Sadly rad was not arround I would have loved talking about this and waited like 5 minutes but that's it.
If someone would have given me a quick summary of EVERYTHING in this thread so far, yeah I might have been able to pick someone more liked by the majority (like = dislike in this case) but I just searched for those posts knew where to find them and rad's list was easily to find in his filter.
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On December 10 2011 06:28 Drazerk wrote:
Toad you should never of chosen anyone to be shot. Any choice would of been a bad one.
what should I have done instead? Tell him to not use a power at all? Clearly people would have thought that's weird as well.
Mason me? Yeah I could have done that but sadly there's nothing in the thread that confirms that so I think shooting a mafia was the only option I had.
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Are you missunderstanding me on purpose?
I was looking up rads posts, V7 posts and hyshes posts. I wasn't able to find something useful in V7 and hyshes posts that's why I just went with only rads list.
Yes after I found rads list I was still looking for something from V7, therefore rads list was already opened in another tab because I already found it.
After 5 minutes of searching I just went with the list which got a couple of names, got my list and out of all those names I picked the best consensus.
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annuls tunneling palmar. He would have shot palmar and we would have seen a green flip. I thought prpl got a decent chance of flipping red while palmar is probably like 70% town?
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what if they got some bullshit like a one-time tracker or something like that. That'd be just useless for mafia wouldn't it?
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On December 10 2011 07:31 Lanaia wrote:[...] Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 07:24 Toadesstern wrote:
what if they got some bullshit like a one-time tracker or something like that. That'd be just useless for mafia wouldn't it? So? They don't HAVE to use it. Like they said, they really only can use two of the actions. Are you saying that everything always has a good use? We don't know everything that's in this game.
I'm just saying V7 obviously has more information on what is going on than I do. Also I think V7 is basicly confirmed right now. Therefore I'm trusting him with what he says, at least I think he's honest. If he truly thinks there's a good reason to not lynch annul because of what was said I'm saying we should take a look at other people first.
I think his decision with a lot of information is better than my decision-makeing without information at all.
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I find the fact that a claimed, RB-immune medic is still alive much more troubling to be honest.
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as long as noone is following you're not going to get lynched
I am almost willing to let it go, just believe you're an awesome RB-immune-medic and and that's it. But everytime I do I remember that ridiculous claim of yours
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On December 10 2011 08:12 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 07:57 Drazerk wrote:On December 10 2011 07:44 Lanaia wrote:On December 10 2011 07:35 Drazerk wrote:
Also have you guys noticed that both day vigi's have been told to consider / kill me but non of them have? yeah, I noticed that as well. What does it say about you, though, do you think? I think scum are trying to keep me alive for some reason. For the WIFOM, do you think, so they can get a mislynch on you? Toad, if you think it's so troubling he's alive, why didn't you TELL ANNUL TO SHOOT HIM? Would have been 1,000,000 times better. You really should have considered that a bit more. God, this is starting to make my brain hurt. I don't understand the motives of recent actions. ALSO I WILL NOT BE HERE FROM 4 pm PST to 8 pm PST because of work.
I did. I even told him that I will probably want him to shoot drazerk or erandorr when suddenly my brain told me to do what people want me to do instaed of what I want to do. That's why I looked at rads list and picked someone we both though is scummy instead
Anyways, I'm off to bed now.
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On December 10 2011 21:50 Drazerk wrote:
for argument's sake and confirming both palmar / refallen. I protected sandroba last night so refallen has to be a medic.
the fuck? Sandroba? I'm going to put this in caps to make sure you get what I'm talking about: SANDROBA? wtf was that supposed to do?
It's not a question of 3 medics but a question of 2 medics. Our now claimed medic said he did not (!) protect annul n1, therefore we have to have 2 medics if annul's claim is right. Drazerks medic claim is still bullshit and there is no way his claim is viable.
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Ok that's at least a reason I can understand. Frankly I thought the exact same thing about palmar. I don't know why mafia would want to shoot him with so much going on around him and still people suspicious about him. I don't know why you disliked rad but at least the thing about palmar makes sense and well sandroba... idk I would not have protected him
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Btw I'm still waiting for V7 to give his estimation before I'm voteing . So if you're reading this V7 and are waiting for whatever reason I'd like to hear what you got to say about this case as well.
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