EPTOn December 06 2011 10:22 syllogism wrote:
Palmar switch your vote back please
Palmar switch your vote back please
Will do.
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Anyway, I just want to throw in my two cents on v7 for now. vaderseven is extremely unlikely to be scum, except for one thing, his choice of target. Everything else points towards him being town. The attempt to communicate his role name to me (Jack) especially screams town, as it seems like he'd never be confident enough to try that if his role was a scumrole. In addition, the panic seemed real enough, and I'm dead sure that he'd have waited for his team approval if he was mafia. Now, shooting soap was pretty bad, the only reasonable explanation I can find to it is that Soap was super-lurking, and vaderseven noticed me calling Soap my homeboy, and somehow hoped Soap would flip scum in order to incriminate me. Obviously vaderseven was at the time quite pissed off at me. But yes, even the only reasonable explanation for the target choice leads to v7 being town. I guess you could argue that Soap is also the lowest-risk target for mafia, and for that reason I'm not willing to go as far as call v7 confirmed, but I'd at least consider him quite strongly town. | ||
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I will re-read the entire thing now. | ||
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On December 06 2011 23:27 Toadesstern wrote: well it's a tricky situation I guess. Just think about it, the guy just claimed dayvig (which is the only mistake he did imo) so he had to shoot at some point, Sadly that point was day1. I wouldn't trust 3 guys who threaten to kill me, so he obviously was not going to listen to a thing you guys said. Probably the rest would have told him to not shoot so early. So he had to make that decision on his own. Why didn't he ask the rest then? I wanted him to shoot Drazerk, who I think is mafia. | ||
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On December 07 2011 00:29 syllogism wrote: So do you think he has a scum role that is compelled to claim what he did? If not, how do you propose he explains his protections daily and the fact he is still alive? I'll answer your question with two questions. a) Would you shoot him if you were mafia? b) How do you expect us to catch him lying about his protections? If he's scum, he already has all the information needed to misprotect every night, mafia can even leave someone who should be a "good" target alive and Drazerk can claim that protection. Even if Drazerk tells us who he's protecting right before day breaks it changes very little. The only roles that can in any way allow us to deduce anything about Drazerk's alignment are tracker and watcher. Not to mention I find the role very unconventional compared to other roles revealed this game (Town Jack, Town Floridian and two Vanilla Town) | ||
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On December 07 2011 00:51 vaderseven wrote: Palmar why are you assuming anyone in their right mind would take you serious when at the time you were RNGing, trolling, and lieing? It really bothers me that you would even suggest that your suggestion of draz was a real piece of input. Coming from someone who takes me seriously enough to roleclaim in panic and shoot the next lurker without any discussion, I find this question irrelevant. | ||
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On December 07 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him. If you're not scum, then you can probably cross that off the list, as well as new! | ||
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On December 07 2011 14:41 annul wrote: i just asked and was told someone medic'd me. <3. ok so reds have 3 kp then Hi annul, why would any medic protect you over... say.... the vigilante who was on your ass during the night and died? Nevermind the fact that he was obvious town too? | ||
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On December 07 2011 17:28 Drazerk wrote: I protected V7 annul has another method to keep alive. Explain your thought process behind this. To me v7 looks like a vastly inferior target to for example syllogism? | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice. Are you trying to exploit the fact that you generally tunnel me as town to hide something? You're not even trying to look genuine, or at least give anything a second thought. Do you believe annul's claim of being shot? Do you agree with me that it's very likely syllogism shot him? Do you agree that it's very unlikely a medic would choose annul as his target? | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:16 Refallen wrote: For what it's worth, I'm leaning to Palmar being townie atm. I agree with him that annul's claim of being saved by a medic is suspicious, though I'm not sure if syllo shot him or not. As he says, there are better targets for a medic to be chosen. Read syllo's filter during the night. And then trust me on the fact that syllo does have the confidence to fire night 1. I actually read the day post and went "wtf, syllo didn't shoot?" until I saw annul's claim. That paired with the fact syllo was on annul's ass during the night makes me believe annul's claim is actually true and that syllogism did shoot him. | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote: If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town. I assume mafia has 2kp and annul is lying. Just think about it, the game already has abnormally high number of mafia (5 would be normal in a 25 player setup, not 6). If mafia has 6 players and 3 kp, they can rape town very fast. Which is why I asked at the beginning of the game how syllogism thought the game was balanced. | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:46 Refallen wrote: One more question Palmar, what do you think of Drazerk at the moment? I know you thought he was scum earlier in the middle of day 1 (which you never really elaborated on). With his role claim at night and now that Day 2 has arrived, what do you think about him now? I think he's useless, and given that I think annul should be the guy we're talking about today I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot be certain of his alignment either way at this moment. | ||
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On December 07 2011 19:15 TruthBringer wrote: I made a decision at the start of this new day that I would give Palmar a second chance to prove his townliness, but as I suspected he would, he started day 2 off being just as worthless as he was on day 1. Some guardian angels saved him yesterday when he was receiving lots of votes ("let's switch to zero suspicion hier!") Bring it on, try and save him again without giving yourselves away. ##vote Palmar Such a safe vote, I wonder if you're just ignorant, or if you're being maliciously ignorant. You will be called out on this so you better be damn sure you know what you're doing. If you're town, you haven't read the game well enough, and you're actively sabotaging your team. If you're scum I don't really care. I wonder how you were expecting me to play day 2? I think I've brought up very valid points regarding annul's claim and syllo's death. But apparently to you that's being useless. Did you even read what I posted before throwing your vote and opinion out like that? | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Explain the bolded. I've been genuinely suspicious of you all game. I'm not trying to hide anything - it's some kind of massive coincidence that you just happen to look town in games I'm not playing and suddenly turn into Trolly McFuckstick every time I'm in a game with you...either that or you do the shit on purpose. But judging from your play this game, if you're town I'll eat my own shit. I'm not sure what I think of Annul's claim. Right now I can't be bothered because YOU are going to hang today. Call it my mission. Syllo was at least mildly suspicious of Annul, and I wouldn't be surprised if syllo shot Annul. But no, I don't think it's "very unlikely" a medic would protect annul...in fact, if I were a medic, annul would be on my tertiary protect list by virtue of being active and scumhunting, yet NOT known for strong results. You see, every experienced player stayed the hell away from my wagon because it's pretty obvious I was goofing around early day one. Yet you tunneled in on me very, very early in the game, never giving it as much as a second thought. I am looking forward to you eating your own shit though, although I think it's quite vulgar, please don't take any pictures. Yes, I troll you. I dislike your style of scumhunting because you always look at what happens, instead of thinking about what it means. For example, syllogism who is arguably the best town player on TL, correctly deduced that while I was being dumb and useless, there was nothing in it that made me mafia. Sure, it made me useless, but useless doesn't mean mafia. You on the other hand automatically assume that since I am unhelpful, I must be mafia, which is faulty logic, and probably the reason you have such a hard time hunting scum. And that's why I troll you, and why I'm sometimes a dick to you. This is written in case you happen to be town, in hopes you actually give your stance a second thought, because you're not helping at the moment. I cannot possibly deduce your alignment, because I think you're smart enough to know that tunneling me basically frees you from further scrutiny if you are scum, because your terrible meta assumes you tunnel me, no matter of my alignment. In addition, re-read the last paragraph in your post. Notice how you're completely disregarding a very important part of the game because you're so tunneled in on me. Of the four big names this game (rad, sand, me, syllo) Syllogism looked by far the most pro-town. I was trolling, sandroba was lurking and radfield was being not so useful. Why on earth would any medic who's not already affiliated with annul, pick annul over syllogism as n1 target? Syllo probably dies more often than Radfield and I on night 1. | ||
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