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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:44 GMT
#877
On December 06 2011 09:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 09:37 supersoft wrote:
sorry, i got to sleep now. I am suspicious of sandroba. But my vote will go on Erandorr. I think he lied about his illness. I think he's playing Dota2 instead of contributing. He played the exact same way in xlvii and i won't let him get away with that this time.
I know he can do it better.

##vote: Erandorr


I do agree that a vote on erandorr might be an option as well but I just don't think we're going to get 13 votes on him.
If there's people willing to vote erandorr please say something because we really need to get something going tonight!


You won't get the 13 votes with EU locked in for the night.

The only lynch that can possibly happen now is Palmar
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:46 GMT
#882
On December 06 2011 09:45 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 09:43 redFF wrote:
anyone not on a large wagon is anti town


This isn't true. I was the large wagon last game, and that was so idiotic it hurt. I'd like anyone who votes to be able to make a case like, I voted for X because Y.


That wasn't majority lynch with no lynches
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:50 GMT
#887
On December 06 2011 09:48 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 09:46 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:45 Risen wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:43 redFF wrote:
anyone not on a large wagon is anti town


This isn't true. I was the large wagon last game, and that was so idiotic it hurt. I'd like anyone who votes to be able to make a case like, I voted for X because Y.


That wasn't majority lynch with no lynches


And you're telling me lynching Palmar is the best move for town right now? I don't think it is. He's made some really stupid posts, but last game he was making some really stupid, idiotic posts and it led straight to his lynching. He was town then, and if he hadn't made his emounicorn post he wouldn't have been lynched. Now he's just being a troll and an idiot without the emounicorn, but I don't think he's scum.


Difference between that game and this game is palmar was pro town all the way through the election stages, it wasn't until day 2 until the derping started. He's not even attempted to be pro town this game
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:50 GMT
#888
On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote:
I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person


Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:52 GMT
#892
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm)


It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 00:56 GMT
#897
At this stage a vote for anyone but Palmar is a vote for a no lynch.

So choose. Vote for someone who has been acting so scummy all game or vote for a no lynch that will 100% help scum
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:00 GMT
#902
On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 09:50 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote:
I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person


Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town


explain to me how he is scum. Yeah vaderseven went apeshit and shot off a townsperson but that wasn't exactly Palmars fault, just a consequence of his actions. He has been a troll and posted a lot of bullshit but is slowly coming around and not just defending himself as others have claimed. My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I will re-read the cases on heir and laniana and if I find something substantial I will vote those ways. Im sick of the palmar v7 argument, its just like the ace palmar of last game that leads to town looking like retards. people forget that scum can post here too and let some direct arguments and conversation the ways they want it to go.


How wasn't that Palmar's fault? He claimed day vigi and put a timer to V7's head. He had no choice but to role claim then later prove his role claim or the entire town would of lynched him ( Myself included )

He is not slowly coming around he is doing his typical defence of shrugging off any attackers and calling everyone bad. This is not pro town this is destroying the atmosphere we had.

Scum are currently directing us towards the no lynch ( Voting for anyone but Palmar ) which is a 100% benefit for them opposed to lynching palmar who is on their team.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:04 GMT
#909
On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 09:52 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm)


It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have


NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch.


Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling.

You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:05 GMT
#911
On December 06 2011 10:03 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:50 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote:
I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person


Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town


explain to me how he is scum. Yeah vaderseven went apeshit and shot off a townsperson but that wasn't exactly Palmars fault, just a consequence of his actions. He has been a troll and posted a lot of bullshit but is slowly coming around and not just defending himself as others have claimed. My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I will re-read the cases on heir and laniana and if I find something substantial I will vote those ways. Im sick of the palmar v7 argument, its just like the ace palmar of last game that leads to town looking like retards. people forget that scum can post here too and let some direct arguments and conversation the ways they want it to go.


How wasn't that Palmar's fault? He claimed day vigi and put a timer to V7's head. He had no choice but to role claim then later prove his role claim or the entire town would of lynched him ( Myself included )

He is not slowly coming around he is doing his typical defence of shrugging off any attackers and calling everyone bad. This is not pro town this is destroying the atmosphere we had.

Scum are currently directing us towards the no lynch ( Voting for anyone but Palmar ) which is a 100% benefit for them opposed to lynching palmar who is on their team.


How can you not consider that scum is directing us to a lynch on Palmar. Why are they leading us to no lynch instead of lynch on Palmar?


If scum was leading us to a vote on Palmar he would already have the majority. There's too much resistance for it.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:06 GMT
#913
On December 06 2011 10:02 prplhz wrote:
Drazerk's tunneling is weird.


I seem to be the only one to realize it will be impossible to get the majority on any other targets but Palmar and a no lynch will not help us in any way.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:08 GMT
#917
On December 06 2011 10:07 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:04 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:52 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm)


It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have


NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch.


Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling.

You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP.


...about that, you can see the "Anonymous" vote for Hier on the voting thread.

I'm off for a bit to cool my head.


His second vote still hasn't appeared.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:09 GMT
#919
On December 06 2011 10:07 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:
@ERANDORR YOU POST YOUR FIRST CASE 4 HOURS FROM THE END OF DAY 1

BITCH PLEASE


Last game taught me that you should post your cases as you write them. Withholding information and thoughts is not a good thing. How could that be a good thing?


It's too late in the day to be bringing up new lynch targets and it's basically a wasted analysis no one will use / read and just makes him look overly towny for no reason at all.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:12 GMT
#924
The case against lanania is much weaker lol
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:14 GMT
#927
On December 06 2011 10:11 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:08 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:07 Zephirdd wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:04 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:52 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm)


It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have


NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch.


Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling.

You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP.


...about that, you can see the "Anonymous" vote for Hier on the voting thread.

I'm off for a bit to cool my head.


His second vote still hasn't appeared.


In the vote thread it has Palmar on v7 and Anonymous on Hier. That has to be Palmar.


How does it HAVE to be palmar?

It can be one of his scum buddies helping him.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:15 GMT
#931
On December 06 2011 10:14 Mattchew wrote:
so taking out a veteran (palmar) is better than a no-lynch? Even if Palmar is town? I dont think so


Palmar isn't town and even if he is it gives us a lot more information than a no lynch ever will and we won't have to deal with him trolling for another day and repeating this whole mess once more
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:16 GMT
#937
On December 06 2011 10:14 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:11 Risen wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:08 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:07 Zephirdd wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:04 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:52 Drazerk wrote:
On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote:
Thought about other players coming soon (tm)


It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have


NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch.


Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling.

You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP.


...about that, you can see the "Anonymous" vote for Hier on the voting thread.

I'm off for a bit to cool my head.


His second vote still hasn't appeared.


In the vote thread it has Palmar on v7 and Anonymous on Hier. That has to be Palmar.


How does it HAVE to be palmar?

It can be one of his scum buddies helping him.


draz when did you become ace's smurf


I've been pro tunnelling palmar when he is scum / third party for a while now
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:17 GMT
#941
On December 06 2011 10:16 Radfield wrote:
prplhz, risen, refallen and sandro, you guys should all swing onto hier.


Or Palmar...
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:19 GMT
#944
Happy no lynch I am going to bed -.-
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 01:20 GMT
#948
On December 06 2011 10:19 syllogism wrote:
Drazerk no, you switch to Hier


No I will not
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 06 2011 07:52 GMT
#1039
I told you he would escape the lynch only to lynch a townie it happens every time -.-

I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC

...who has to claim night one.

Going away for next few hours do your worst scum.
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