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On December 08 2011 06:45 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 06:42 prplhz wrote:Now stop talking about past game QTs. Why? (this isn't meant to be rude I would actually like to know why previous game QT's should not be used)
Use them all you want, people were just talking about whether it was posted and whether it should be posted and stuff like that. There is it, it was posted and that's all there is to say about that, move on to stuff that is actually related to the game we're playing right now.
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@redFF
He is not getting lynched because he is not scum. How the hell is that even supposed to be a scumslip? Do you think that VisceraEyes is doing any good with his tunneling, or do you think that his opinion becomes tainted by the fact that he can't stop obsessing about Palmar? Do you think it is easy to read VisceraEyes when he is tunneling as hard as I have ever seen anybody tunnel? What do you think about sandroba saying that you're probably town, you just can't form a coherent thought this game? What do you think about Mattchew?
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@Radfield My main point about vaderseven is that he shot Soap. Since sandroba and Palmar pointed out that you're probably scum you have dropped your "please let me do nothing until night2"-idea and tried to appear a lot more helpful, so maybe you can tell me why vaderseven shot Soap?
Can you also tell me about your other scum reads besides me? I think townie Radfield at this point would have like the entire scum team mapped out but you have one non-scum in me and then you have Erandorr who I don't have a clear read on right now but I think he's town.
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@sandroba, Palmar: Why didn't annul claim veteran? So easy to claim.
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@Radfield
PYP:Interesting, you were only wrong about one guy during that entire game. I only played with you in that game and in LotR where you were scum. I guess my claim is mostly based on your reputation which might be better than you are, but I was pretty impressed with you in PYP:Interesting and you were obviously town to everybody after day0, in this game you're wobbly even during day2. I supposed there was a reason why chaoser shot you night2 in LotR.
How the hell can you say that VisceraEyes is "Maybe town", the guy has been tunneling the same person all game long and that person is on your town list rofl.
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Okay.
The reason why Palmar isn't getting lynched today is because he is town.
THE REASON HE IS TOWN, is because there's nothing pointing to him being scum. The cases I've seen so far has been about Palmar being useless when he was answering a question during the first hours of day1. When the hell has anybody been useless then? Then there's the whole fake dayvig claim, but he had a good lead and then he lied to investigate it further. This was very risky but I don't see in any way what motivation a scum could have for drawing so much attention to himself. His role also doesn't say anything about his alignment in a closed setup like this.
VisceraEyes' case was pretty bad and overall I have a townie feeling about Palmar because he has mostly the same reads as I do and a practical in-your-face approach that gives me townie vibes.
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Yea, I don't agree with it.
Saying that he think syllogism acted differently towards him isn't damning at all. I found the post a bit weird too but I already stated why.
His random lynch is something he suggested in Mini Mafia X as town too.
vaderseven actually did post his notes. It was a lead and Palmar followed through with it, instead we could have been sitting there with no notes and the thread was very stale at the point. This is WIFOMy but would scum Palmar fake claim dayvig just to get some notes from a guy he would know had notes? Seems very unnecessary.
Palmar's case on Hier wasn't too great I give you that, but syllogism proposed it too and he was definitely town. Palmar hasn't tried to push any of the burden of the mislynch onto syllogism, instead he took active part in the lynch. Not scummy.
He denounces the bandwagon on him as pretty bad based on the fact that the most experienced player on it was Drazerk. No offense to Drazerk, I have been there where you had had enough of Palmar's sometimes rather annoying antics, but it was a bad wagon. You also thought so yourself.
On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote:
GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD
I don't see the anonymous vote as a scummy ability, this is a closed setup and most speculation about roles is pretty useless. I think a lot of people agreed with me on that already. Also, he willingly told everybody about his ability quite some time before the bandwagon on him picked up too much speed, something I don't see a scum motivation for.
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@Zephirdd
You're not off about Radfield's list, it is weird because he is likely scum and you're very likely town.
You're not wrong about how very specific speculation about setup/roles can't be effectively relied upon in a closed setup.
I don't think it is likely that Drazerk is scum, we can only speculate about why scum did not kill him. My theory is that they wanted to isolate Palmar and lynch him today so they took away two of his biggest supporters.
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@Palmar
Why didn't annul claim veteran? How do you feel about vaderseven? You know the guy has played forum mafia for years right, he isn't supposed to panic in a situation where he has confirmed that he's not in any immediate danger.
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So scum do not get angry at people pushing them and threatening to shoot them or what? And townies do? And townies shoot people in the face for no reason? Since he probably is a Jack, does that in any way make it more likely that he is town? Why wouldn't a scum Jack try to breadcrumb his role? His reason for breadcrumbing it was that you were a dayvig, and he thought he could convince you that he was one too by breadcrumbing, but he isn't a dayvig. He's a Jack. How does that make any sense? At that point he was in a pretty stressful situation so I don't read much into that, I just don't think there's anything about his behavior during that entire thing that indicates that he's town and I think it's weird that you feel so strongly about him being town.
If there's any medic out there who protected annul and it looks like he's about to get lynched and you think he's a more valuable player than you are, then you should claim. I don't think any player who would have protected annul last night could be any more valuable than him, so I think that it is weird that annul doesn't want the medic to claim at any point. annul thinks highly of himself so it is weird that he doesn't think he's more important that some medic, he's been pretty vocal about how the medic must not claim.
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My biggest problem with annul is that medic isn't claiming. As long as a medic hasn't claimed I'm not changing my vote, I have a hard time judging annul but I trust sandroba on this because holy fuck.
No this is not blue fishing, I think that any medic who protected annul last night isn't as big an asset for town as annul can be so it's good if he thinks his claim can save annul. Setup wise I think it sounds weird with 2 medics and 2 mafia night kills, but of course this is probably offset by Drazerk being medic who has to claim. It's funny that it is Drazerk who got that role, he likes to claim and he likes to protect scum as town.
annul is likely mafia and everybody should vote him.
@vaderseven
I don't believe you and I still think you're scum. From what I know of you, I'd much rather think that you are good scum than terrible townie, sorry.
I like how people are slowly beginning to see what I meant about Mattchew and TruthBringer.
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Poor Drazerk 
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gg guys i was town anything anybody wants to ask me before wbg sees this?
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lol he's too fucking fast and with a fancy picture and all
well gg
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I think the post-game atmosphere is pretty bad.
Some people are being excessively hard, a lot of people have a lot of stuff to learn from this game and that's probably what post-game should focus on. Not that people are retards 
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Well, I was actually referring to syllogism's "You guys will never improve"-thing. It's like when Ace made that post saying "Everybody sucks" and then just left it there, I have played like 50 games and I still suck but I only really started improving after a lot of nice people started me giving some really good advice
I think people here need to listen to the people who are considered good players a lot more (one of the advice I myself was given at some point and that drastically improved my play). Learn to get a good read on them and learn how they play and then put them in the spot light, there they will either perform or they will out themselves. Learn to read the special cases that are the experienced players first and then listen to what they have to say 'cause they're often right, or they will sound stupid, then move on to start scum hunting for real yourself. Town hunting is a lot easier I'd say Also, if one good player says something and 10 not-so-good players say something else, it's usually the good player who is right.
Dunno, I really shouldn't be giving advice but that's my take on this game. I was actually not entirely convinced about annul either, but I was very sure that Palmar was town and I was very sure that syllogism had shot annul, so that was two good players saying that a guy was definitely scum, and that very often means that he's scum.
Also, yea Drazerk you need a break from mafia I think  You had a god damn mental break down this game. Totally contrary to how you played in XLVII which I enjoyed a lot
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On December 19 2011 06:52 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 06:51 prplhz wrote:Also, yea Drazerk you need a break from mafia I think You had a god damn mental break down this game. Totally contrary to how you played in XLVII which I enjoyed a lot Yeah this is my last game for a long while lol
I'll await your return
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Uhmn, I didn't really mean the "You need a break, Drazerk"-thing like that. I'd play with Drazerk if he joined my next game no problem it just seemed to me like he didn't really enjoy this game. He even claimed to be emo-trolling, which isn't really a sign that you're having fun I think.
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On December 19 2011 19:32 syllogism wrote:This was the highlight of the game for me Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul Sandroba does his compulsory bussing post with as little effort as possible and immediately convinces a townie e: well actually there was a funnier post but I don't want to be mean
Hah well I was actually convinced by Palmar but I thought this post was funnily out of character for sandroba so I quoted that for the lolz It should probably have made me suspicious of sandroba instead.
Also, thanks for the amazing analysis Incognito and wherebugsgo.
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On January 01 2012 18:44 Kenpachi wrote:
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