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On December 12 2011 08:13 kingjames01 wrote:
Quick Question: Does a normal non-powered player know if he was visited or targetted for a roleblock?
From what I know you get a message if you are role blocked no matter if you got a power or not. So if you do not have a message telling you you got roleblocked you never were roleblocked. This is however how it normally works and I'm like 99% sure it works this way but I can't tell 100% of course.
I had to ask about medic-confirmation-pm's as well.
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I protected V7 last night.
Reasoning: I protected annul n1 and after what happened nobody would want to hit that as mafia.
Rad was being called out by several for being scummy (wtf?) and Palmar was still kind of weird. Thought mafia might want to kill a blue instead of 2 people who are suspicious for some people.
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On December 12 2011 09:00 kingjames01 wrote:
My apologies! I'll fix it. I also have some working theories that I'm typing up but I didn't want to announce my post and then make you wait. For now, that post can be a resource which I will maintain. Please feel free to fill in any gaps or mention them as you have done.
V7's action n1 : None. He can only use one action per cyle. He used his dayvig day1 (we all saw that) and therefore he was not able to use a night power according to his claim.
Annuls Action n2: None. Pretty much the same as V7. He shot d2 => no n2 action he could have done.
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told ya Drazerk is the better option 
RedFF's case was just the same as Annuls case. Sure there was a chance that redFF was going to flip red but it was about the same as annuls. No point in swapping votes from Drazerk to redFF (except if you're Drazerk yourself). Why did we get off Drazerk in the first place?
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Ok guys let's think about what happened yesterday. There was little defence for annul except for V7 and me trusting him along with some people thinking we have other options as well.
Now I'm going to make it easy, because it really is.
There's basicly 2 options:
1) Annul is green
2) Annul is red
The first one is easy. We had at some point like 9 or even 10 votes on him. People said that we don't have enough time to get a 2nd lynch option as well and we HAVE TO vote annul. First of all, that sounds really scummy, secondly they were wrong, we even managed to get a third option as well. Obviously mafia did not have a problem with lynching annul. Either because he is green or they were bussing him. HOWEVER Mafia had problems with lynching Drazerk because out of nowhere comes a third option that ends up being lynched while people are still argueing that even a 2nd vote option won't make it in time.
The second one is a bit tricky but just isn't makeing sense at all. As mentioned if annul is red mafia could have bussed him or they could have defended him. Now if that'd be all we got that would look pretty strange, however we got that third guy (redFF) comming out of nowhere. Do you really believe mafia made us switche votes FROM annul TO Drazerk just to make us switch another time to RedFF? That's justpast belief. If mafia was really forcing a nolynch or a safe for annul there would not have been a 3rd guy arround who miraculously got enough to get lynched. That just doesn't add up. If Mafia was bussing annul there would not have been so many vote-switches in the first place.
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ah damn, right, you probably don't want yourself to be lynched as both townie and mafia :p
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me neither
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On December 13 2011 11:01 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 10:50 Refallen wrote:
I don't know what to say. I think the best course of option is for Zeph to alignment check annul and we can go from there. Jeez, we're doing really bad as town. you do realize that by saying that, you're essentially marking annul as a frame target right? Because of that, I probably won't investigate him. TBH I want to investigate xsksc.
that's like the worst thing I ever had to read.
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On December 13 2011 13:30 Refallen wrote:
...Roleblocked... and I actually protected Zeph too.
I was roleblocked too o.O
But not that it made a difference because I protected palmar.
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EBWOP: Palmar was meant to be Refallen :p
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On December 14 2011 02:48 Mattchew wrote:
The WIFOM here on Palmar is brutal.
The way I see it is either Annul is scum and wanted Palmar shut up, or Annul is town and Mafia wanted Palmar to look like he needed to be shut up.
I don't think Draz lied about being roleblocked, and I think that he is town.
I am starting to believe that both Draz and Annul are town.
fuck.
Yeah agree here with the wifom part. HOWEVER I think the reason why mafia wanted to kill palmar is because of his extra vote. Palmar is a townie that has 2 votes. Therefore when it felt like we had an additional townie because it's one townie more they need to convince to get a no-lynch.
I still think Annul is kind of a coinflip, I'd much rather vote Drazerk but I'm going to ignore the wifom part of the palmar lynch because as mentioned I think he rather got killed to denie us 2 townie votes with just one kill.
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On December 14 2011 05:02 Drazerk wrote:
Toad's fault don't worry V7
how is it my fault
I said I'm not going to vote Annul as long as V7 says Annul HAS TO BE town because of his weird role.
So what's this all abut now? Someone care to explain or do I still have to blindly trust V7 now changing his mind?
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would still like an explanation of what's going on but yeah if there's nothing more from V7 I'll vote annul.
Oh and since noone mentioned or quoted it I'll just bring it up another time:
Yesterday both medics were roleblocke so Mafa really has 2 Roleblockers being able to RB us both all day long ;(
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On December 14 2011 08:51 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 08:51 Mattchew wrote:On December 14 2011 08:45 Lanaia wrote:On December 14 2011 08:42 Mattchew wrote:On December 14 2011 08:31 Lanaia wrote:On December 14 2011 08:30 TruthBringer wrote:On December 14 2011 08:23 Drazerk wrote:
I'm a VT TruthBringer... Sorry, what is a VT? A vanilla townie, you know, like how everyone we lynched has been. Mattchew, you seem to be assuming all our PRs have claimed. Do you think that is the case? Nope. Those are only what have been claimed. And I only included 1 JOAT because my point is there could VERY WELL be a scum JOAT making him not part of the town team Personally, if you're going to assume one isn't, you'll have to possibly assume other roles aren't right. We're also confirmed to have an RB but we don't know what side it's on. There are 2 rb's Red + myself got role blocked on the same day so yeah 2 RBs
yeah and last night refallen and I got roleblocked at the same time as well. So it's either 2 mafia roleblockers or 1 mafia and 1 town-RB who thinks that 2 of us (Drazerk, RedFF, Refallen, Me) are mafia.
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what the fuck is going on. Yesterday I was about to vote annul because V7 said he's scum, than he changed to "do not vote annul because he's not scum" and now he's back to annul is scum?
Is there going to be more changes comming or do we now have a final statement?
And yes I haven't voted yet because of what I said above. V7 first said he's scum, than he said he's not and I went to bed 2am. Now I woke up an see a shitload of text I have to read.
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ok read it and V7 said annul lied => he's a mafia davig OR a mafia joat?. So we're lynching annul because he lied? Fine with me as long as drazerks the next one :p
##vote annul
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told you I'm trusting V7 on this one. He says you're not exactly his role and that's the same reason I did not believe a word drazerk said. I'm a normal medic and he claimed some bullshit.
You are not the same joat as V7 is and although I think you're a coinflip he's way more proven townie than you are. So if it comes down to which of you two is mafia I'm clearly going to say it's you because V7 is way more townie. With different role set-ups it's just unlikely that you both have the same alignment. As mentioned, it's the same I told drazerk before I claimed.
Oh and my read on V7 was wrong afterall? You said you were going to "visit erandorr tonight" 2 day ago I think and I thought you got a DT-option. With you saying annul got the same abilities I thought he got one as well and therefore can't be mafia
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On December 15 2011 08:33 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:05 ZBot wrote:
Current votes:
annul (11): bumatlarge, Drazerk, Lanaia, sandroba, Mattchew, vaderseven, xsksc, hyshes, Refallen, TruthBringer, Toadesstern
vaderseven (2): annul, VisceraEyes
hyshes (2): kingjames01, TruthBringer, annul, -annul, Risen, -TruthBringer
sandroba (1): Jackal58
Drazerk (0): annul, VisceraEyes, -annul, -VisceraEyes
Voting ends at December 15 2011 13:00. (That's approximately 4:37:19 from now.) anyone got a guess who we should lynch next if annul flips red lol
yeah pretty easy one: sandroba
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I'm up for a sandroba lynch. Told you that drazerk and Sandroba are my 2 main scumreads and I was right afterall... Playing skyrim late in the evening has some benefits after all I guess.
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come on guys, mattchew and lanaia you're here. truthbringer was around just at the same time as well, but he refuses to make another post
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