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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 16:03 GMT
#1890
On November 24 2011 00:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Anyone else want to contribute?
Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite
These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it.


This list likely includes 3 blues. Nice try.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 16:06 GMT
#1892
On November 24 2011 00:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As for those who stand out more scummy, I read a bit more of the the thread and Forumite, Greymist, Nisani, Zephirdd seem the most scummy out of my list. I'd suggest everyone at least vote for them.


What do you think of coagulation and Sabin010 ?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 16:17 GMT
#1893
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: bumatlarge
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD


Because it seems to be the only way to make you read the thread :

On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, here is my blue reads :

Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz.

Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post :
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.

He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).

hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup.


DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :.
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.
and
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role

From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?)

EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY


Now please either remove your votes for DCLXVI and/or Cyber_cheeze OR give me a clear explanation of why you think they are mafia ( other that "they voted for the lynch" please) and I will unvote you. Meanwhile, I consider that you are willingly trying to lynch more blues, and thus you are obviously scum.

Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 16:37 GMT
#1901
On November 24 2011 01:17 Nisani201 wrote:
If I get lynched, and flip town, will you guys kill Palmar/WBG for me?


I'm not voting for you because Palmar wants to do it. I'm currently voting for you because you are trying to lynch a blue.
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 17:18 GMT
#1906
On November 24 2011 02:09 Kibibit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 01:46 Forumite wrote:
On November 24 2011 01:22 hyshes wrote:
@wbg:
explain this.
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 23 2011 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Assuming you are correct about DCLXVI Tyrran, this is Nisani's vote record:

(I think putting it in quotes stops ZBot from picking up on it)

##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Drazerk
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: prplhz
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD


RoL, WBG and Forumite all look pretty good to me btw.


I would believe those are all townies.


+ Show Spoiler +

On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also ##vote Forumite

for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches.

Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing.


Whitin 1 post you change your thought on forumite? Without a post inbetween from forumite? Or any post concerning the matter? Everybody knows you don't post without reading the thread, so this makes no sence.


He posted his thread before reading my post where I voted 3 of the lurkers who voted prplhz yesterday. It´s allready been answered earlier, you probably missed the post.

I'll step out here then, since I'm trying to be less confused here. Is there any particular reason I'm not on that short list? I've lurked fairly hard and I did vote prplhz.I'm willing to go over my reasoning as to why. Right now, my activity pretty much puts me up on the chopping block without much defense to go on if we lynch any more townies.



You are on the lurker list, but there are scummier lurkers in front of you.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 18:37 GMT
#1908

##Unvote: bumatlarge
##Unvote: RebirthOfLeGenD

Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 18:39 GMT
#1909
Sorry for that palmar, I guess i should learn how to read. ##Fistbump
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 21:02 GMT
#1926
##Vote: Coagulation

You forgot one
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 09:00 GMT
#1967
Why people are voting for Palmar is beyond me. Especially you bumatlarge.
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 09:57 GMT
#1969
On November 24 2011 18:52 Palmar wrote:
I just want to voice my disagreement with any plans of lynching more than at most 2 people.


Do you have 2 people in mind ?
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 14:39 GMT
#1978
On November 24 2011 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I will hand out my suggestions in a timely manner, I do have to re-read a few people to settle down. I am alarmed by your inclination of believing every blue claim there is out there Tyrran. Let's take for example Cyber-cheese and DCLXVI, they were put in a position where not claiming a blue role would mean they're lying and should be lynched.

So, neither of their claims should be taken for granted. I am not saying that we should outright lynch one or two of them, but for example Cyber-cheese's claim of tracking you sounds a little absurd, doesn't it? I mean, why would someone hunting for mafia on day 1 track a player that's pretty much accepted as a very likely town?


I do not take any claims for granted, be it Watcher, Medic , Tracker, DT, roleblocker or whatever. Some of the claims makes sense to me (especially DCLXVI medic claim), others are more suspicious ( as you mentioned, Cyber_cheeze is behavior during Night 1 was strange).

Also,

@Hysches : I believe for now that palmar is town. This may change in the future, but his action and filter until now have a very strong town feel.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#1988
@Forumite: You only consider the confirmed town. Let me redo your analysis with those I believe are very likely to be town:

On November 25 2011 01:15 Forumite wrote:

Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201
bumatlarge (3)
wherebugsgo (3) --> I have a town read on him, but i'm less convinced than for others.
Palmar (2)
Drazerk (2)
GreYMisT (2)
DCLXVI (2)
Lemonwalrus (1)
xsksc (1)
RebirthOfLeGenD (1)
MrZentor (1)
Tyrran (1)
Coagulation (1)
sinani206 (1)
Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1)
Lanaia (1-0=1)


Much better green distribution. Unless WBG is scum (unlikely ), most of the votes on him are from town. If he was town too, I would have expected some scum to vote for him more often.


On November 25 2011 01:21 Forumite wrote:
And no, voting for Nisani201 doesn´t make you scum, but if Scum wanted Town to lynch Nisani201 on their own, then those who voted several times, like WBG, would be poor targets for a Nightkill. I dont get your argument. If Nisani was scum, then wouldnt those who voted several time for him make very GOOD target for a nigthkill ?

Including D3 votes when considering N2 kills might not make much sense, so below is the list for only D1 and D2.

Day 1:
Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 --> Palmar was hit

Day 2:
Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Lanaia, Lemonwalrus, xsksc, Cyber_Cheese, DCLXVI, Cyber_Cheese, GreYMisT, Lanaia, bumatlarge --> Drazerk was killed


So if anything , your analysis prove that Nisani201 was a good target for a lynch. It doesnt make me regret voting for him.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 17:18 GMT
#1995
SO with Nisani201 dead, are we allowed to push for another lynch now ? I would recommend Sabin010 :

On November 23 2011 01:32 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game.


You just gave the worst possible excuse. Prplhz made a case against risk.nuke, who succefully defended himself and nothing happened. THAT WAS GOOD. That's how mafia is supposed to be played. Player put pressure on each other to make them slip. You played IRL mafia, how do you not know this ? You voted against prp because he played good. You dont lynch people because they made a case against someone else. you suspect them because of this, you build a case against them and if they fail to defend themself you lynch them.

Quite frankly, this look like a scum, wondering "Can I safely bandwagon? Oh yeah he voted for a town so i'm safe".

Oh and going trough your filter i find this :

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 17:52 Sabin010 wrote:
Rebirthoflegend dude I hope you're not mafia because I had a list of six guys who were potential mafia, and I'm really drunk rigght now, but if I was right we got at least 3 of these guys (Bumatlarge, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Tyrran, Cyber_Cheese) as mafia. I made a post earlier expaining how I came to the conclusion, but after seeing a new person and being drunk on a friday night lets lynch them.


Lynching 6 people on day 2 ? Really ? You are obviously using the fact that Ken and Sinani played bad in order to lynch as much town as possible.( I take good not that 4 out of 6 are likely town, and 2 of them are blue. Thank god nobody listen to you). This has to be the most mafia oriented play yet. Yes you had to be drunk to post something like this. How did we not lynch you? Oh rigth, because you are lurking and not getting any attention. Typical mafia play again.

Also, I'm not forgetting that this
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting.
makes a lot of sense if you are mafia and you intent to lurk a lot.

And last but not least :
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Lets use our roles wisely tonight. We still have a chance at breaking this game wide open.
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game.
Saying obvious stuff without contributing a bit. Mafia play again.

You have so many scummy play in so little post, I will definitely try to get you lynched on day 3. And if i dont survive nigth 2, I hope someone else will remind town to lynch you.


What do you guys think ? He also promised a analysis that never came.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 18:44 GMT
#2001
On November 25 2011 03:30 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 03:24 hyshes wrote:
On November 25 2011 02:58 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote:
@forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that.

Which part of it?

@Tyrran
The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched.

I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd.


just the whole thing. What are you stating actually?

Scum wanted today to be spent lynching Nisani, so they killed a few players who didn´t care about lynching Nisani. After 2 failed attempts to kill Nisani to frustrate Town, and now with less people who think he is town/don´t care either way, the Nisani lynch was made much easier. Scum are manipulating the lynches, that shouldn´t be a surprise.

When looking at it like that, it´s possible that Drazerk was killed by a Vigilante, in order to confirm hyshes.


You need to stop ignoring the fact that scum have targeted people voting for Nisani BOTH NIGTH ( Palmar N1, and Drazerk N2) Your logic doesnt make sense to me.
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 23:00 GMT
#2036
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite


Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#2043
On November 25 2011 08:12 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote:
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite


Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?

Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day.

Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis?


Because you just voted for palmar.

And as i said before, Scum DID SHOOT FOR THOSE pushing Nisani. EVERY NIGTH some one voting for Nisani got hit. How can you say they did not target those pushing for him. Shooting palmar N2 would be bad as he was obv going to be protected again, so they went for drazerk who voted twice for him.
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 24 2011 23:37 GMT
#2053
Why would any vigi hit Drazerk when after he claimed Mason. That doesnt remotely makes sense. Mafia killing two almost confirmed town ( drazerk and risk.nuke) makes a lot of sense on the other hand. Why assume the opposite ?
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#2081
On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.


Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 25 2011 10:04 GMT
#2083
On November 25 2011 18:55 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.

Fine. If you want to do a weird stunt then I´ll oblige. If Palmar is calling people bad for doubting him, and now wants to fake giving up, then I´ll help, because acting like that warrants a lynch.

##Vote: Palmar


You already voted for him. Dont try to start a BandWagon.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 25 2011 11:12 GMT
#2101
On November 25 2011 19:42 Palmar wrote:
Killing these people (+ the people who don't care) should be a good idea.

Something like


##Vote Cyber_Cheese
##Vote Forumit
##Vote Sabin010
##Vote DCLXVI
##Vote xsksc


Let's leave the others for now.



Can I request Coagulation be modkilled for inactivity? In addition Kibibit should be pretty close to a modkill.


I do not agree on DCLXVI. It is unlikely that both him and Cyber_cheese are scum, since they both visited me day 1, and his medic claim makes sense, much more sense that Cyber town tracker claim.


On November 25 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:43 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is?

He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment.

Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now.


Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true:

1. All 3 of us are scum
2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead

Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact.

Please stop spouting garbage.

I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar.

This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker.


Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching.
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