EPTOn November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.
Good god are you not reading?
Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea.
Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me.
Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum.
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On November 19 2011 06:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk.
On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now.
And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me.
Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand.
Of course it was.
If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.
Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.
Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.
So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is:
You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis.
This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:
really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it.
Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=]
really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it.
although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died)
Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=]
no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now.
And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me.
On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:
In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =]
On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic.
On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?
On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.
The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?
Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.
Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.
The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.
So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?
says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic.
In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =]
Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand.
On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:
"All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy"
I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg)
out of this: (palmar)
On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we?
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What?
Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk...
I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic.
Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later.
Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser.
While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we?
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On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:
Oh and also:
(He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later)
(He still doesn't do it)
(Unvotes the guy?)
(But then wants to shoot him?)
(Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?)
I is confused
Oh and also:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now
I forgot Drazerk, will do now
(He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later)
On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.
I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.
Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.
I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
(He still doesn't do it)
##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation
##Unvote Coagulation
(Unvotes the guy?)
If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc
Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc
(But then wants to shoot him?)
Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads.
In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads.
(Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?)
I is confused
What?
Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk...
I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic.
Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later.
Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser.
"All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy"
I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg)
Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization
out of this: (palmar)
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.
Of course it was.
If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.
Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.
Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.
So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is:
On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible.
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.
However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.
I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.
the chaoser lynch is only sensible.
On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:
Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad?
How does that benefit town?
On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:
Erm wait a second...
XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts
SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse
WaW2 - LOL
AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded
Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy
XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post
LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win.
Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me
On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town
Erm wait a second...
XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts
SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse
WaW2 - LOL
AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded
Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy
XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post
LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win.
Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me
Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad?
How does that benefit town?
On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge.
On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.
Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.
I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge.
You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis.
This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.
And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk.
yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior.
Good god are you not reading?
Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea.
Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me.
Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum.
...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani.
