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On November 17 2011 04:47 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 04:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 17 2011 04:41 chaoser wrote:
Do you have day time DT powers? Quickly! Role-fish before you die so it's not in vain! oh brother... Show nested quote +When someone breadcrumbs that they might be lying in mafia, it's usually scum doing it by accident. ?? What? When did I breadcrumb I was lying to mafia? and how can a breadcrumb, something that is by definition a deliberate action, be done accidentally? Where does this shitty logic come from??
On November 15 2011 22:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 13:29 Kenpachi wrote:
real long day ok.
hi i am Kenpachi and i am a Townie
welcome to TL mafia to those who are just starting and i hope you have a good time here.
We are the 99% I am also green townie <3 LAL is stupid
That breadcrumbing phrase was poorly worded, catching a liar isn't as easy as finding something they said that directly conflicts with what they said before, you have to take into account things that hint at it too.
You call yourself a green townie offhandedly, then offhandedly call LaL bad. Right after the other.
If that's not both lying and promoting an atmosphere where you can get away with said lying, I don't know what is.
On November 17 2011 04:52 GreYMisT wrote:
Cyber, why vote coagulation and not sinani? They are both lurking, but sinani os far more scummy about it in my opinion.
These three posts
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That breadcrumbing phrase was poorly worded, catching a liar isn't as easy as finding something they said that directly conflicts with what they said before, you have to take into account things that hint at it too.
You call yourself a green townie offhandedly, then offhandedly call LaL bad. Right after the other.
If that's not both lying and promoting an atmosphere where you can get away with said lying, I don't know what is.
So...you're saying I'm lying about being a green townie from two lines that I wrote because you can somehow read my intent when writing those two lines?
And that I'm lying about being a green townie cause I'm secretly a mafia who accidentally breadcrumbed that actually I want everyone to think I'm blue?
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On November 17 2011 05:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +That breadcrumbing phrase was poorly worded, catching a liar isn't as easy as finding something they said that directly conflicts with what they said before, you have to take into account things that hint at it too.
You call yourself a green townie offhandedly, then offhandedly call LaL bad. Right after the other.
If that's not both lying and promoting an atmosphere where you can get away with said lying, I don't know what is. So...you're saying I'm lying about being a green townie from two lines that I wrote because you can somehow read my intent when writing those two lines? And that I'm lying about being a green townie cause I'm secretly a mafia who accidentally breadcrumbed that actually I want everyone to think I'm blue?
Specifically a blue encouraging people not to tell only the truth, making it harder for us to legitimately find scum, yes.
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On November 17 2011 05:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 05:02 chaoser wrote:That breadcrumbing phrase was poorly worded, catching a liar isn't as easy as finding something they said that directly conflicts with what they said before, you have to take into account things that hint at it too.
You call yourself a green townie offhandedly, then offhandedly call LaL bad. Right after the other.
If that's not both lying and promoting an atmosphere where you can get away with said lying, I don't know what is. So...you're saying I'm lying about being a green townie from two lines that I wrote because you can somehow read my intent when writing those two lines? And that I'm lying about being a green townie cause I'm secretly a mafia who accidentally breadcrumbed that actually I want everyone to think I'm blue? Specifically a blue encouraging people not to tell only the truth, making it harder for us to legitimately find scum, yes.
cool
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DCLXVI
I have been in the process of reading up all of the terminology. This is my first game in a forum based environment, and the first post I made was in ignorance. I still don't understand FoS or LaL (is it liars or lurkers, very confusing) and will be learning the terminology as the game progresses. The reason I don't believe we should be lynching lurkers is we only have a 25% chance the lurker actually being mafia. Chances are we are just shooting our selves in the foot, with no evidence to back up our lynch.
Nasani201
Can you back up your claim on Forumite? I don't see why you've decided to vote for him just for suspecting two of the newer players. His posts have done nothing but clarify TL metagame and point out inactives.
risk.nuke
What is tunneling, and how is WBG starting to tunnel?
Chaoser
Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self.
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Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self.
Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts?
Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell?
I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated.
Sinani is a way better lynch.
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Huh, I just found this on our beautiful bot-induced vote system.
Kenpachi (4): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Lanaia (Anti-Vote)
Now, looking through his filters, Lanaia has not made an statement on voting Kenpachi, except that he prefers to vote on sinani over him.
Which means that, either the system is bugged(unlikely), or Lanaia has the ability to anti-vote someone through PM. Looking through the roles, the closest I've found is "Double Voter", but I assume anti-voting is a variation of that.
Which means Lanaia is not green(assuming green = vanilla town)
So either Lanaia is scum or Lanaia is a blue to be killed. The question is: which one? And if he doesn't die next day, can we confirm he is scum or maybe the Mafia just want us to believe that? And why would he want Kenpachi to not die(anti-voting him)?
I'd like to have these questions clarified or at least discussed, I got really confused right now.
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##vote: Lanaia
No blue would save kenpachi
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@chaoser/lsb
my vote on kenpachi was an attempt to get him to post content, but it looks like that will not happen. Taking the vote off now would just undermine that position.
@sabino
who do you think is the scummiest player right now? Who should we get rid of?
After rereading sinani206's posts, I don't see how he is useful to the town. He voted for chaoser, then when asked for explanation he responded with:
On November 16 2011 09:07 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 09:03 sinani206 wrote:
wtf
##Vote: chaoser Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason. FoS sinani206 His posts this game are nothing like what I've seem out of him before and even if I hadn't played with him before, the posts are straight up scummy.
The posts are "straight up scummy"? Care to explain why that is? Apparently not because the only other thing you post about is a small disagreement on how the town should focus down lynch candidates. Well at least you backed up your arguments right?
On November 16 2011 17:31 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 17:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Coag is also a pretty good player, so if he's scum, he's capable of lurking and surviving. For the same reason he doesn't make a good day 1 lynch because if he's not scum, then scum will want to shoot him. On November 16 2011 16:26 sinani206 wrote:On November 16 2011 13:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
to clarify again, each person go for whoever they think is scummiest. That doesn't mean all of us go for the same person. This is completely stupid because some people have more than one read at a time. Why focus when you can divide (your attention) and conquer? No. yes
oh yeah.
Is there anything else you wish to contribute to the town? Perhaps detailing why chaoser is scummy? Or do as you suggested?
On November 16 2011 16:26 sinani206 wrote:
Why focus when you can divide (your attention) and conquer?
Anyone else you find suspicious and why?
If you just try to appear active but don't actually post about meaningful stuff, I find it scummy. If in addition you don't include reasons to your arguments, I will vote for you:
##Vote sinani206
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On November 17 2011 05:33 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self. Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts? Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell? I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated. Sinani is a way better lynch.
From the top. Not all mafia play the same. Plenty of mafia have called out unwarranted attention in the past, neutral survivor balrog comes to mind. Do they have anything to lose, as mafia or town, in claiming townie, specifically green?
In a game where LaL is in effect, a blue has nothing to gain by telling a lie, but mafia have to lie at some point, why not stop LaL coming into effect?
On November 17 2011 05:11 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 05:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 17 2011 05:02 chaoser wrote:That breadcrumbing phrase was poorly worded, catching a liar isn't as easy as finding something they said that directly conflicts with what they said before, you have to take into account things that hint at it too.
You call yourself a green townie offhandedly, then offhandedly call LaL bad. Right after the other.
If that's not both lying and promoting an atmosphere where you can get away with said lying, I don't know what is. So...you're saying I'm lying about being a green townie from two lines that I wrote because you can somehow read my intent when writing those two lines? And that I'm lying about being a green townie cause I'm secretly a mafia who accidentally breadcrumbed that actually I want everyone to think I'm blue? Specifically a blue encouraging people not to tell only the truth, making it harder for us to legitimately find scum, yes. cool
It sounds convulted, but it boils down into a) claiming vanilla townie, knowing that anyone could be making the claim, and b) calling LaL a terrible idea.
But that is not the only reason your being voted for by me, and shame on me for being mislead into only talking about that.
On November 16 2011 02:42 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit. We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are. Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit  ##Vote Nisani201 LAL LAL LAL LAL ##Vote: Forumite
Specifically being useless right after being asked not to. Throws down a vote on someone he had never mentioned with no explaination and no noteworthy bandwagon.
On November 16 2011 03:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:00 GreYMisT wrote:On November 16 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:On November 16 2011 02:55 GreYMisT wrote:On November 16 2011 02:42 chaoser wrote:On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit. We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are. Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit ##Vote Nisani201 LAL LAL LAL LAL ##Vote: Forumite I think the time for troll voting is over... From the OP: You may include multiple votes and unvotes in the same post. However, do refrain from both voting and unvoting the same person in a single post. It is possible that some role abilities are tied to the votes that are cast, so be mindful as to how you exercise your vote. Who said I was trolling? Oh, well then care to provide reasons? I'm afraid i dont speak LAL code. The LAL was for bum The vote was for forumite trying to force bullshit cases, especially the kenpachi/LSB "contradiction". Scum
After having to be prodded, pulls out a bullshit case on Forumite.
Now here's the kicker. After having been called out on voting for Forumite with no logic.
On November 16 2011 04:26 chaoser wrote:
lol
##vote: DCLXVI
So I guess that's two votes for me?
Notice how the grand total of mentions for DCLXVI in his filter is zero. This vote, as with the Forumite one before it, has absolutely no reasoning behind it at the time.
On November 16 2011 04:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 04:44 Zephirdd wrote:
You say that lies can provide a win-win situation, but how is it a win situation when that lie could have killed a townie, yourself AND wasted a vigilante shot? Lies like that are terrible, and that could very well have cost you the game. Are you really taking these chances? ??? Don't talk about shit you don't know about. Go reread that game if you need to. Show nested quote +Then you go on trying to create a bandwagon over Forumite with nearly no arguments. Forumite at least have a point, and you just go "Scum" over him. What's with that? Despite the one post where you claim that something like a bold lie like claiming DT is beneficial, you don't post anything useful for this. What bandwagon did I create/start? I'm the only one voting for him and I didn't even give a detailed reason as to why. Overreaction much? Why are you defending a guy that frankly, was in no danger of being lynched (Not even 24 hours into the game, voted by one guy with barely any reasoning) Show nested quote +And when someone posts actual arguments and analysis, you just instantly vote over him like you did. It looks like you are just trying to attract attention to yourself, and it very well is working; "attracting attention" that would be used in reality as a cover: You go out loud with zero arguments, and people stop caring about you. I'm confused, so you're saying I'm mafia, and that the way I'm going about hiding the fact that I'm mafia is by "drawing attention" and being "loud" which somehow makes people stop caring about me when really I've posted almost nothing and mafia typically like to hide? ##Vote: Zephirdd
##Unvote: DCLXVIPS, FoS is for sissies, real men just vote
He immediately drops it, instead choosing to vote for the person who actually took some time to call him out on his overall playstyle properly.
At this point you should probably read the back and forth, it speaks for itself.
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On November 17 2011 05:33 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Why did you claim green townie? You've seen what happend to Kenpachi after he claimed green townie. The two guys who have claimed green townie currently have the most votes. I can't see any benefit to saying you're a green townie day 1, its just bringing undeserved attention to your self. Should ask yourself first. Why would mafia want undeserved attention? And what does mafia gain from saying they're townie outright in thread? What does a townie gain from claiming townie outright in the thread just as the game starts? Ask yourself why are people saying the main reason they want to vote me/kenpachi for saying we're townie when it's a null tell? I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. He's pretty underrated. Sinani is a way better lynch.
If the mafia is playing super aggressively, which I've definitely seen more experienced players do, then it makes perfect sense to claim townie out of the gate. It's definitely tricky to lynch someone who you can't tell if they are just a mafia stirring the pot or just an eager townie. I may be wrong, but nothing you said there is too far out of line for mafia.
##vote: chaoser
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@Kibibit, don't edit your posts, I know you only added the vote because I saw it, but if I hadn't it could have been anything.
be VERY careful about that. Quote yourself and double/triple post if you have to, but don't edit. ever.
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How experienced is chaoser? Has anyone played a game with him?
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On November 17 2011 06:15 Nisani201 wrote:
How experienced is chaoser? Has anyone played a game with him?
He knows what he is doing
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chaoser has played in quite a few games on this forum.
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On November 17 2011 06:15 Nisani201 wrote:
How experienced is chaoser? Has anyone played a game with him?
Multiple. He brought back LotR mafia from the jaws of defeat when he got changed into a Vanilla Townie, and basically single handedly ensured a town victory.
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On November 17 2011 06:01 Zephirdd wrote:Huh, I just found this on our beautiful bot-induced vote system. Show nested quote +Kenpachi (4): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Lanaia (Anti-Vote) Now, looking through his filters, Lanaia has not made an statement on voting Kenpachi, except that he prefers to vote on sinani over him. Which means that, either the system is bugged(unlikely), or Lanaia has the ability to anti-vote someone through PM. Looking through the roles, the closest I've found is "Double Voter", but I assume anti-voting is a variation of that. Which means Lanaia is not green(assuming green = vanilla town) So either Lanaia is scum or Lanaia is a blue to be killed. The question is: which one? And if he doesn't die next day, can we confirm he is scum or maybe the Mafia just want us to believe that? And why would he want Kenpachi to not die(anti-voting him)? I'd like to have these questions clarified or at least discussed, I got really confused right now.
only scum would defend lurkers.
##vote: Lanaia
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damn forgot the bold part
##vote: Lanaia
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On November 17 2011 06:15 Nisani201 wrote:
How experienced is chaoser? Has anyone played a game with him?
chaoser is a top 5 player in this game.
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Also, Zona, if they're both scum you should probably re-roll the game, sadly.
##Vote Lanaia
##Vote Kenpachi
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