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On November 20 2011 22:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I can reasonably see one of the these two scenarios playing out.
Scenario: Palmar is scum, holds a kp and claims a hit.
Benefits: Town cred, advantage in todays Palmar vs Chaoser battle. Gains an extra night to perform any action(s).
Cons: Once Chaoser is lynched, he flips town. Palmar instantly loses town cred, and suddenly becomes a good vigilante target or lynch possibility leading into day 3.
Scenario: Chaoser is scum, Palmar survives hit.
Benefits: Palmar would have died. Chaoser could have claimed WIFOM and potentially escape a lynch.
Cons: Chaoser is subject to extreme scrutiny.
The former seems much more contrived, I'm inclined to believe in simplicity here.
While this seems extremely reasonable, It also led us to lynching kenpachi. I will be reviewing Chaoser case later, and i'm also waiting for palmar analysis before choosing to vote or not against Chaoser.
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On November 21 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote:
He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument) I´m not convinced by his reasoning because nothing he says actually defend what he did. He still thinks he made it clear that he was against a sinani lynch, and that "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI" was a well thought out post, which should have swayed Town opinion and saved sinani.
I agree with this reasoning. however, the same reasoning led us to lynch both Sinani and Kenpachi. Why was Kenpachi lynched? Because when we pressured him, his only defense was "LOL UR BAD". Also prplhz's post on vigilantes :
On November 19 2011 16:41 prplhz wrote:
I think, in a game with multiple lynches, maybe it's unlikely that we have a ton of vigis. Also, if they had any brains, they wouldn't have shot on night1.
For me, it really look like a justification to not have use HIS vigi shot. I see this as a soft claim. Yes his filter isn't loooking quite good on day1, but we already lynched 2 blues because of that, i'd rather avoid lynching a 3rd. Not saying everyone should unvote him, but 'id like a bit more evidence that "he made one bad sentence".
That being said, his case on risk.nuke is not really convincing me. As I stated, if he is scum, i dont see why he would have pushed for kenpachi lynched instead on Lanaia who was a confirmed blue.
This makes me think, why do you guys think mafia did not kill her (Lanaia) this nigth ?
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Gah, I was writing a big post to defend risk.nuke, but he did it very well himself. Wrinting post at work takes too much time :p So i'll just put a TL:DR version here :
Your only valid argument against him are "He attacks someone I have a sligth town read on" and "He defend someone I have a sligth scum read on". Oh yeah, and he claimed town.
That's not enough for me.
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On November 22 2011 06:39 prplhz wrote:
Hmm that sucks. Well I have a pretty powerful blue role but I thought I could wait for a few more votes before claiming and then when I came back I was dead.
Well gg and sorry town.
What was it ? Did you use it already ? If yes with which results ? Why didn't you claim when we ASKED YOU DIRECTLY TO DO SO ? You thought you could wait a few more vote, with 5 mafia player alive ?
Yup that sucks.
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On November 21 2011 21:39 Palmar wrote:
with only 3 more votes needed to lynch you prplhz, I think this would be a good time to tell us what your role is. The reason being is that it's actually very likely you will be blitzed in the final hours of the day due to people just wanting to achieve a lynch.
The idea is that if you're scum, or even town, you might last-minute claim, which would probably lead to us lynching some ill-advised secondary opinion without much discussion.
So, I don't see any harm in it for town if you just claim right now.
3 more vote needed, and 5 mafia in the game. How did you think delaying your claim was a good move?
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Also, while I'm at it :
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc
You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.
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You are not dead yet, you can still give us any info you can! And you can still vote.
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@risk.nuke : TyrrAn please ^^.
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On November 22 2011 07:33 MrZentor wrote:Okay, I saw Prplhz was being attacked, so I filtered his posts. At first, I thought he seemed scummy, but after I saw his reasoning and how he defended sinani, I decided he was clean. But then I saw that he defended sinani moments after the final vote was counted. He wanted to make it look like he was defending the innocent guy without actually doing it. This seems pretty suspicious. ##Vote rplhzP.S. I hope that vote worked.
Okay, you now need to read the latest message of the thread. You mafia guys already got prplhz lynched, no need to keep voting for him. Amusingly enough, you reused exactly Forumite argument. I wont cast any additional vote for today, but i'll keep this in mind.
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I have NOT taken any hits last night ( to be more precise, i did not receive any PM). This means I have probably been rolechecked. I'm not sure that roleblock count as a visit (locking the cabin see Sinani206 role description), so it is also possible that i've been framed. Any way, i'm going to claim town.
I dont think that it's very likely to have been visited 2 times by mafia. In the same night. How likely is it to be visited by 3 blue ( including prp), not much i guess. So we are going to have to decide which one makes the best Vigi target during the nigth. Unfortunately that also means that the other one will make a good Mafia target. We still have an additional Medic ( the one that protected Palmar) so maybe we can work something out. Mafia has NOT won yet!
If we have a pardonner, time to save a blue, i dont think he could have made that up on purpose.
@prplhz: Thank you for watching over me last nigth  . I'm sorry I couldnt save you today.
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On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
He's legit.
@Prplhz
I know that you are town now, so I'll let you make the decision. We are three blues down already, and three possibly four blues are targets for the mafia tonight. (the masons, me, DCLXVI)
Do not forget Lanaia. Also, do you have any info from your role that makes you think that DCLXVI is blue and not red ( a yes/no answer is enough)
Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:44 Zona wrote:
Furthermore, there may be dangers in store for town players who claim their role. With all this in mind, should I rolecall?
Dont rolecall just now. We are going to have a LOT of info on our hand for Nigth 2, and we need to make sure we get the most out of it without revealing the specificities of it to the mafia. If I were you, i'd wait until beginning of day 3 to roleclaim. Any other move will give mafia info for they kill during the nigth.
With 1 ( possibly 2) mafia kill during nigth 2, we will have to be EXTREMELY careful during the vote of day 3 ( coagulation, Sabin010, xsksc and even Lanaia : I'm looking directly at you rigth now). I think the correct move would be to have a group of confirmed town to lead the votes. That would be a good way to make sure that mafia doesnt decide the lynch.
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On November 22 2011 08:35 Tyrran wrote:
Also, do you have any info from your role that makes you think that DCLXVI is blue and not red ( a yes/no answer is enough)
ACTUALLY DONT DO THAT. NOT YET. WAIT.
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Okay guys, i've been thinking this over.
First of all : It is very likely that both 666 (fuck roman numerals) and cyber_cheeze are blues. Yes, both of them. I'll explain why in the beginning of day 3, do not want to give any info to the mafia rigth now.
Secondly :On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game.
You just gave the worst possible excuse. Prplhz made a case against risk.nuke, who succefully defended himself and nothing happened. THAT WAS GOOD. That's how mafia is supposed to be played. Player put pressure on each other to make them slip. You played IRL mafia, how do you not know this ? You voted against prp because he played good. You dont lynch people because they made a case against someone else. you suspect them because of this, you build a case against them and if they fail to defend themself you lynch them.
Quite frankly, this look like a scum, wondering "Can I safely bandwagon? Oh yeah he voted for a town so i'm safe".
Oh and going trough your filter i find this :
On November 19 2011 17:52 Sabin010 wrote:
Rebirthoflegend dude I hope you're not mafia because I had a list of six guys who were potential mafia, and I'm really drunk rigght now, but if I was right we got at least 3 of these guys (Bumatlarge, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Tyrran, Cyber_Cheese) as mafia. I made a post earlier expaining how I came to the conclusion, but after seeing a new person and being drunk on a friday night lets lynch them.
Lynching 6 people on day 2 ? Really ? You are obviously using the fact that Ken and Sinani played bad in order to lynch as much town as possible.( I take good not that 4 out of 6 are likely town, and 2 of them are blue. Thank god nobody listen to you). This has to be the most mafia oriented play yet. Yes you had to be drunk to post something like this. How did we not lynch you? Oh rigth, because you are lurking and not getting any attention. Typical mafia play again.
Also, I'm not forgetting that this On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting. makes a lot of sense if you are mafia and you intent to lurk a lot.
And last but not least :
On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Lets use our roles wisely tonight. We still have a chance at breaking this game wide open.
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game. Saying obvious stuff without contributing a bit. Mafia play again.
You have so many scummy play in so little post, I will definitely try to get you lynched on day 3. And if i dont survive nigth 2, I hope someone else will remind town to lynch you.
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On November 23 2011 00:48 Palmar wrote:
So, I've been having a conversation in another thread.
How does everyone like my new plan "Just do whatever Palmar tells us to do"?
Everyone in favor go ahead and give me a ##Fistpound
My guts keep telling me you are scum, my brain keeps telling me you are town. I wish i knew why.
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Guys stop voting for now. Blue role analysis incoming. DCLXVI is likely blue. Dont lynch him 
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Okay, here is my blue reads :
Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz.
Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post :On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.
He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).
hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup.
DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :.On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.
and On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role
From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?)
EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY
@Nisani201
On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you.
Your only argument against DCLXVI is : He has an independant stance. I show that he is likely blue. Please make use of your logic and reason and unvote him.
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?
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Damn i missed HoD death, read to fast. some edit to the post above:
Mafia is now confirmed to have AT LEAST 2 KP, maybe also some kind of 1 time shooter. Did ANYONE else than plamar get hit on day 1 ?
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On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ? Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved. I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.
So you have a role ?
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On November 23 2011 20:00 Palmar wrote:
Technically I'd be okay with mass lynching everyone except hyshes, lol.
But I think Zona put some mechanics to prevent that into the game.
TROLOLOLOLOL MECHANIC ABUSE INSTA WIN !!!111§!1
Yeah i dont think Zona is gonna let us do that T.T
Also :
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc
You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.
I've reread xsksx filter, and i'm getting town vibes from him. He did try to contribute a bit, so i can consider litting him live for now.
I'd still recommend heavily Coag and Sabin010 for lynch. Coag for being totally useless, and Sabin010 for being scummy despite a low post count.
On November 23 2011 17:24 Palmar wrote:
About RebirthOfLeGenD, as much as it pains me to say it, that despite his awful play so far, there is no reason to believe he is scum, unless you believe Hiroruby was the mafia godfather. So I'm not willing to look at any case against him today. I would much rather we focus on chaoser (or his replacement), 666, or perhaps even nisani201, who I'm starting to lean scum on again.
Did anyone make a DT check on Hiroruby that I am not aware of, or did you soft claim DT =p
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On November 23 2011 23:30 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:Okay, here is my blue reads : Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz. Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post : On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI. He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful). hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup. DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :. On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.
and On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?) EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY
@Nisani201On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you. Your only argument against DCLXVI is : He has an independant stance. I show that he is likely blue. Please make use of your logic and reason and unvote him. @PalmarNow that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ? Why on earth would you post your blue reads in the thread?
Because we keep lynching blues since the beginning of this game, and that people were starting to vote for DCLXIV.
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