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wherebugsgo is scum WBGs motivations around the Palmar lynch was to disrupt discussion. The next day NC+Incog+WBG did the case on Curu, which was one of the reasons that two of those players got lynched, that´s 2 days wasted, worth risking one scum. He did the customary early weak FoS on jcarl, but once we got to the lynch, he was the primary defender of jcarl, actively disputing Erandorr but also pushing and joining other lynches, like those on Sevryn, risk.nuke, sinani, me, and of course one of the players joining the mislynch on xtfftc. In all of this he´s said that Jcarl wasn´t just an unlikely scum, and an unsure lynch (no clear connections to others, this was repeated a few times), but that he must be Town, and adamantly defended him, at least until the lynch was decided, right after he posted that he really do consider jcarl. On October 06 2011 07:21 wherebugsgo wrote: can we kill sinani tomorrow? I'll consider jcarl/sevryn too. We need to keep an eye on risk as well. This one is really bad, WBG explained his Townread by quoting something in PM-land, something that Erandorr didn´t buy. Obviously he was wrong or lying, or jcarl is just that good at fooling people. I´m leaning towards lying. On October 06 2011 01:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Erandor have you not been reading the PMs I've sent you? Jesus jcarl is not scum you thickhead WBG has been very active in the thread and in PMs, he´s been putting himself out there, messing things up, causing confusion, while his allies have been allowed to lurk. If Town starts to hunt lurkers, then he´s safe, if Town hunt active Townies, then Jcarl would have been safe. In the end, there are 2 things that really speak against a WBG lynch. First Mig told me that WBG got scared when Jackal and I were aiming for him, and revealed his scumreads. Also Mig thought NC and Incog were more likely scum, and were manipulating WBG. That´s been cleared up, of those 3 only one possible scum remain. Second, WBG and jcarl have posted some long conversations, but not even this is a very good defence. Jcarl has been very quiet in the thread and PM-land, by all accounts, except his own. I´m seriously considering that WBG and jcarl faked those conversations, to pass the time, and to make sure they wouldn´t get tied together at endgame. It would definetly explain why jcarl didn´t feel like lurking. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn Could you please clarify, and perhaps forward the talk between you and DB that convinced you that jcarl was Town? | ||
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On October 09 2011 03:26 wherebugsgo wrote: No, you misunderstood that. In the logs I gave you of my talk with jcarl, I say that DB is scummy. Then I talked to DB a couple hours later and the way he talked to me suggested he was a townie. I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer. Got it. However that doesn´t explain why you were so sure that Jcarl was Town. What did you base this on? | ||
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On October 09 2011 09:41 Sevryn wrote: I am a drunk demoman why would i be worried about dieing? only scum and blues are worried about dieing because when scum die town gains more information about their team thats why when scum know they are dieing they stop talking. If i get lynched who else do you think is scummy? Craplogic, of course you are worried about dying as Town, no matter your role, because mislynches at this time will likely lose the game for Town. You are just helping Scum if you don´t defend yourself. Also, seriously, your defence is that even if we lynch you, finding your scumbuddy will be hard? | ||
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risnk.nuke I want your opinions, here in this thread. | ||
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##Unvote wherebugsgo ##Vote Sevryn | ||
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Supersoft, do you remember when I answered your PM with a post of my own? That was my claim. If you feel like confirming, send me a PM with what you think I claimed as. If you want my opinions on anything, add it in the PM as statements, and I´ll answer if I agree or disagree with them. Dropbear, claim to Supersoft, please? | ||
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Does the Heavy/Heavies want to reveal what Supersoft was on about? If we´re lynching WBG, I´d prefer to know the whole case. | ||
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On October 11 2011 07:51 Kenpachi wrote: through PM But when? Just now or early in the game? | ||
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Couldn´t that have been an attempt to distance himself? Probably not, too risky, it wasn´t like DB was looking Town before, so even if Nisani would have been shot and miraculously flipped Scum, he would probably not have gotten off the hook, and with one less scum that´s just helping Town. Anyway, I´ll worry about Nisani if WBG flips Town. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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5 speaks in WBGs favor, faking logs might be too much work. 1 speaks against WBG, mig among others thought there must have been a scum behind that case, that it didn´t work doesn´t matter, because NC/xt and Incog got lynched thanks to it. Getting 2 townies lynched for one Scum is decent from Scums perspective, especially as it ties up 3 days of activity and discussion. | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Yes, DB defended me because he was tying himself to me. I defended DB because of the information I got from Curu and what DB kept posting in the thread. Honestly if it was false that DB was looking for a replacement I think that should be some sort of warnable offense. I actually believed DB was more town because he said he was looking for a replacement and was giving me his reads. Alarm bells should've gone off when he said literally everyone except Sevryn was null, though. I kinda pushed it to the back of my mind since Curu said DB was townish to him and I was getting the same vibe simply based on the fact that DB was talking to me when he said he was looking for a replacement. That's an assumption I know I'll never make again. Had I ignored that I think I probably would've seen DB was scum. Don´t use DB looking for a replacement and not getting warned as evidence. The ways of Kurumi are mysterious. Did you convey any of these talks and reads on DB in the thread? | ||
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