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On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too?
Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument.
What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right  Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke.
But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate?
I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection.
##unvote
##vote Sevryn
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On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right?
I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense.
I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong.
I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.
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Actually one more thing:
A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game.
Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others.
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On October 06 2011 04:18 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Actually one more thing:
A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game.
Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others. So as soon as you get attacked you have the time to write a ton, which seems like the first time in the game? Thats incredibly convenient.
On October 06 2011 06:30 Forumite wrote:
jcarl, a lurker who stops lurking when threatened. I think he should be lynched.
sigh...
On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right? I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.
And how the hell did this bandwagon on xt start? Did people learn nothing from the first two days of LOTR? This is exactly what Radfield did to get two townies lynched in a row before chaoser actually caught on and shot him.
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On October 06 2011 08:26 Erandorr wrote:
Dont you worry jcarl, i remember how that first lynch happened...
I apologize in advance if xt flips town, I got really tilted the last couple of hours. Let us hope the best and try to keep this thread civil. We hurt town a lot with that attitude. If he flips scum then good, if not we should once again look at everyone who was absent at the time of the lynch.
Jcarl I do not mean you with that, you gave notice in advance, but would you be okay with answering my questions from after you went away?
I forgot you were Radfield's first victim xD
Can you give me a quick recap of the questions you had? I'm on my phone and it's a bit difficult to go back and find them in the sea of pitchforks for xt
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On October 06 2011 08:57 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 08:26 Erandorr wrote:
Dont you worry jcarl, i remember how that first lynch happened...
I apologize in advance if xt flips town, I got really tilted the last couple of hours. Let us hope the best and try to keep this thread civil. We hurt town a lot with that attitude. If he flips scum then good, if not we should once again look at everyone who was absent at the time of the lynch.
Jcarl I do not mean you with that, you gave notice in advance, but would you be okay with answering my questions from after you went away? I forgot you were Radfield's first victim xD Can you give me a quick recap of the questions you had? I'm on my phone and it's a bit difficult to go back and find them in the sea of pitchforks for xt Mhh you say you where not active in the thread, but active in PMs. You then named like 6 people, three of them dead. My question is why you did not try to contact the people you are susicious of. I mean if you are town that is the logical step isn't it? Get some more insight to justify your claims? You accused me of not considering that you are active in PMs, yet you gave risk.nuke the same treatment and never tried to contact him? I find that really strange, combined with a one line accusation that is based on "He was wrong with all his reads".
You are correct, that would be a logical step. Did I do it? No, I didn't. I PMd people I thought could be town. I wanted to connect with other townies and discuss. It is something I should have done, but that's not how I used my PMs.
I didn't accuse you of not considering that I was active in PMs. I said that since I was active in PMs, I didn't feel like a lurker. This inadvertently led me to posting less in the thread, along with being busy IRL.
I had a gut feeling on risk.nuke. I voted him at the beginning of this day to put pressure on him, as did WBG. After WBG and I spoke at length last night, he said he was going to keep pressure on risk until the morning and then make a case at our better scum candidates. (My log folder is empty for some reason, but I'd be surprised if WBG didn't have the log of this.)
NB: I forgot that I also briefly spoke with supersoft in PMs, but our schedules didn't match up to talk in IRC.
Annnnnd fire alarm going off ~_~
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Pretty sure it's moot to say "expect late post" when the post is already late.
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What I don't understand is why, of all people, would you choose xt? Erandorr had created a case against me. Sevyrn was due to be lynched. But all of a sudden, WBG swoops in with a bandwagon that Radfield would be proud of and you all jump on it?
Xt gained enough votes in 10 minutes to save Sevryn, and I don't understand how.
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On October 07 2011 05:21 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
What I don't understand is why, of all people, would you choose xt? Erandorr had created a case against me. Sevyrn was due to be lynched. But all of a sudden, WBG swoops in with a bandwagon that Radfield would be proud of and you all jump on it?
Xt gained enough votes in 10 minutes to save Sevryn, and I don't understand how. I guess you still had a lot of stuff to do or why where you not here ? Like blowing up mountains? ( that was aweeeesome ) I know you are much more active in PMs , but right now we need everything we can get, so could you make an effort and tell us who you think is Scum now? And why would be cool too i guess
I was at practice! I said in the thread that I would be away for the lynch, you even acknowledged it. The whole bandwagon happened while I was away. And yes, having free reign on a minecraft server was probably the most fun thing ever.
Right now, I'm looking at WBG and supersoft for this bandwagon. I'm feeling that one of them is probably scum. Out of the two of them, I'm leaning more on supersoft being the scum.
He very proudly takes the credit for the lynch. + Show Spoiler +On October 07 2011 06:03 supersoft wrote:
I started it :-D
And yet, you'll notice that he doesn't vote for xt until the movement actually gathers momentum (4th vote, to be exact).
If you look through supersoft's filter, you will find quite a few contradictions.
He seems very concerned about keeping the amount of muted players secret from the scum. This is seemingly to protect the sniper. However, he then wants to direct the medics:
On September 30 2011 20:39 supersoft wrote:
we dont rely on our blue roles. protecting mig/curu should be much more important.
Now, I understand why. Mig and Curu were valuable to town. However, he clearly thinks they are VTs. It seems odd for someone who seemed concerned with the safety of the sniper to not want a medic to be trying to protect blues.
He then goes on to try to fish for information from forumite:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2011 21:22 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town?
I certainly haven't.
Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker. The two PMs I´ve gotten from Incog has been him asking me to check up on people, people that I´ve has my own suspicions on, but still, that´s it. I haven´t asked for him to elaborate or state his case in PMs, so that´s all the I have on his PMing. It´s not a confirmation that Incog is unhelpfull in PM-land, but he hasn´t given me any help, at least. two PMs imply, that you answered him. is that correct? On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:Day 2 prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action
Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...? Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders. why don't you post a list of these players? ;-) On October 02 2011 00:51 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 00:30 Forumite wrote:On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote:On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:Day 2 prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action
Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...? Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders. why don't you post a list of these players? ;-) I´ve gotten one-liner PMs with at most a soft FoS in them from a few players, among them are Incognito, WBG and tnkted, naturally. There are a few other players, but I´d prefer not to name them. Both PMs from Incog were asking me to check another player, they were just weak FoS's, didn´t even include any reasoning on why they are scummy, or why I should help him, or if an answer was important enough to break my silence. As a Mute player, getting PMs like that is very frustrating. Of the other PMs, none gave me much information, but as I don´t suspect the players, you know who you are, I´ll say no more for now. You have absolutely no reason to hide the reamaining names. the scumteam has no use for such a list at all. On October 02 2011 08:33 supersoft wrote:
no. forumte you wont shoot anyone at daytime. i want you to shoot someone at night. if you shoot someone during the daytime, we dont have any informations about your color. i dont need to know your role. i want to know your color.
slso you should give us the remaining names!
He then goes on to push HARD for Forumite to snipe Sevryn. He wants Sevryn to die. Then, he finds out Forumite isn't really a sniper. He then can't get Sev shot, and doesn't want his buddy to die to a lynch. Then what does he do? He flips a bus onto xt.
It's odd. This is from my PMs with supersoft:
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From supersoft:
probably not :-/ sorry
Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
I'm in class right now. Will you be on in a few hours?
Original Message From supersoft:
can we talk in irc?
Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
I agree that we need a good lynch today. I wanted to pressure risk.nuke for the first part of the day, but it didn't really achieve much.
It is possible that GM was just playing us, but his emotion seemed genuine. I'm leaning town on xt for that reason only. He definitely needs to show up and do something though.
Original Message From supersoft:
sevryn won't tell me who he was in contact with and i need these informations. we need to kill scum today and i dont want to mislynch. we have to work together to achieve this and if someone doesnt work with us, we have lynch him
if he shares his logs, we lynch xtfftc, because i think GM is smart enough for this curuthing
This was towards the beginning of yesterday. And it's funny, I don't recall Sevryn releasing his logs. Supersoft shows here that he already had xt in mind for a lynch.
When asked by risk.nuke to provide the logs that gave the reasons for the lynch on xt, he gives a couple massive posts. Now, let's be serious, it's damn easy to lose information in a sea of text like that. Why would a townie make it so difficult for others to get information out of it?
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Good snipe  gg
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What about the scum of games present?
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LOOOOOL gg nisani. I was hoping I had set it up enough for you to carry it home.
Palmar screwed us by giving up. I thought my first scum game was fairly successful.
gg, ty hosts
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Our scum team was extremely unorganized at the beginning
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Nope, Curu plot wasn't us.
Basically, we had a pyro and the RBer. Nisani and I were goons. Our pyro gives up and rolls over dead right away. So we're sorta sitting there not having any semblance of a plan. So we just rolled with it. It seemed pretty easy to play scum when there isn't actually this "scum agenda" that everyone always talks about. We just interacted.
I did lurk hard, and it wasn't until Erandorr called me out on it that I realized it. But by then I had laid the ground work to set enough blame on others for Nisani to carry us to victory. Turns out shooting prplhz had the exact effect I was aiming for.
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Yeah Curu, we got really lucky that you got modkilled. I'm sure it wouldn't have gone nearly as well for us if you hadn't.
Also: lol at the logs Nisani made up of a convo with me. It was an actual conversation we had, but he changed and omitted a lot. When I was reading it I for sure thought you guys would catch it cuz it didn't even seem believable.
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