On October 13 2011 08:28 risk.nuke wrote:
1 of them is vet, 1 of them is a liar. you and I are not a vet. Anyway I didn't think about vets. Sorry I got confused and sidetracked by some of what I and bugs said earlier.

Looks like you have a 50% chance to win tomorrow, shoot the vet and you loose.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 00:01 GMT

#1600

Kenpachi, could you send me a PM with what SS sent you?

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 00:11 GMT

#1603

That rolelist looked weird until I realised that vt means vanilla townie.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 00:23 GMT

#1605

You should know by now that the mods don´t do anything in the game unless they really have to. If you don´t do anything that gets you modkilled, then they stay away. Don´t use wether or not the mods end the game now as evidence of the presence or absence of a RED Sniper.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 23:09 GMT

#1614

Yeah, I got shot during the night. First shot, and the snipershot will kill me.

Lynch Nisani once I´m dead. With Risk and Kenpachi alive, you have enough to lynch him.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 23:09 GMT

#1615

Wait, what the hell, both risk and Nisani are shooting?

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 13 2011 23:15 GMT

#1616

If the shot goes through, then Nisani is the last Scum. Only the sniper would aim after someone else aimed, because it hides his own shot. A Town would wait and see if the shot goes through, not shoot and obscure who the red sniper is.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 00:26 GMT

#1619

Why did you aim Nisani? It was pointless, the only thing it did was confuse Town on the matter of risk. If the shot goes through then you are definetly scum, if it doesn´t then you are still likely to be the one. If you wanted to confirm yourself as NOT a red sniper, then you should have waited until we were sure that risk wasn´t the one, THEN aim.

I think the GMs are asleep, I´ll know in the morning what happened, if the shot went through.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 00:50 GMT

#1621

We´ll know soon enough. Without a BLU Sniper, chances are that neither is there a RED Sniper, but who knows?

Food for thought, remember how risk acted after WBG was lynched? His first post after the flip felt like him faking being shocked, the next one felt at the time as if he was trying to end the game then and there, if he was the Sniper at least. However if he isn´t the Sniper, the why would he ask something like that? We´ll know if there is a Sniper in the pair. If there isn´t, then risk´s acting after the lynch look like a Town worrying about having allready lost. Those posts make him scum only if (1) he is the Sniper and waits to shoot when he can win the game with a shot or (2) he is vanilla scum who faked looking like the Sniper in order to absolve himself of suspicion by fakeaiming today. As he aimed (thereby throwing away the last advantage he had if he was a Sniper), that makes risk either Town or really, really sneaky.

If it goes through, then Nisani is most likely a Sniper trying to hide his shot behind a fakeaim, if it doesn´t go though then risk is probably Town, leaving Nisani as the last scum.

-OR-

risk is scum because I got shot tonight. two players were claiming Heavies. If Nisani was scum, then he would know I was most likely a Heavy, and would have avoided shooting me. Risk on the other hand thought one of us was fakeclaiming Heavy to hide a Blue role, therefore he shot me, in the hope that I wasn´t a Heavy at all.

Damnit... Two reasonings, either risk is scum, or he isn´t, and both makes sense.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 00:54 GMT

#1622

It´s a matter of if we think risk is a good player. If he is, then he's a RED Scout, and he was tricking us with the Sniper comment during the night, then firing at me in the hope of taking out a powerrole, then fakeaiming to absolve himself from suspicion due to the Sniper comment.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 01:08 GMT

#1623

If the shot goes through, then I´m 95% sure on Nisani, if it doesn´t go through, then risk is likely scum, but only by about 75%.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 10:23 GMT

#1625

risk, to answer your PM, no, of course I can´t prove I took a hit.

The shot hasn´t come through, from that and the nightaction, Nisani looks better, and risk looks much worse.

##Vote risk.nuke

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 12:03 GMT

#1627

I didn´t answer in a PM because I´m mute, and my answer was aggressive because I knew this was what you were trying to do.

On October 14 2011 20:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Was a shot fired tonight or not. Forumite if what you say is true and you were shot tonight. Then Nisani is the scum 100%.
Nisani if you are town. It means that Forumite is lying. No shot went of tonight and this is Forumites scheme.

Explain to me, why can´t you be scum despite me getting shot tonight? You were the only one who didn´t know where Veterans hide, you were the only one who could have shot a veteran, thinking he was lying. Two veterans, either both are telling the truth, or Nisani is scum. If Nisani is lying, then he must be fairly sure that I´m a real Veteran, and shooting me doesn´t do anything. I was shot, so I can´t see why Nisani must be the one. From my perspective, a veteran who just got shot, the only one who could have done it is risk.

I´m not buying it risk, you shot me, thinking I was lying about being a veteran, then you try to make a bad case about how the next lynch must be between me and Nisani to cover up your mistake.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 12:42 GMT

#1629

I´m Mute because I am, it came with the role. Just like there are Drunk Demomen and Mute Drunk Demomen, there are Mute and normal Heavies.

If we are going by who accused who, then WBG would have been scum, because Dropbear defended him. Jcarl accused risk of being scum, Dropbear tried to get Nisani shot by the Town vigilante, scum tried to get both of you killed. Anyway we can´t believe what they have said, they are lying scum, they lie to get Town lynched, and lie to make it hard to find the other scum. Just because jcarl said you were scummy doesn´t make you Town, especially not since you were never close to getting lynched while jcarl was alive.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 13:03 GMT

#1631

One thing to consider, DP and Jcarl barely mention risk or Nisani in their posts. WBG talked a lot to both scum, and Nisani had a few logs with both, risk had none. This throw some suspicion on risk, scum don´t need to talk to eachother since they have their own chat. Anytime scum talk to scum openly or in produced logs, it´s only to avoid looking like they avoid someone too much, but the normal scenario is still that scum don´t produce PM conversations with eachother, because they don´t need to PM eachother in the normal course of the game.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 14 2011 23:05 GMT

#1637

Nisani has felt throughout the game as a lurker and possible scum, just like risk, but the last day risk has been piling on the scumtells. Both the attempted nightkill, which would have been a risky move if risk did it and an obviously bad move if Nisani did it, and risk trying to defend by making the lynch between me and Nisani instead of him and Nisani, make me feel good about this lynch.

I´m not 100% sure on this, but at least I´m confident that we´re lynching the scummiest player. If we´re wrong, that Nisani is the one, then it´s because scum play good, not because Town play bad.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 15 2011 16:26 GMT

#1641

Looks like scum giving up.

I would more seriously consider the evidence on Nisani if there was anything besides him playing just like risk.nuke does. I can´t see much difference between how those two players have acted, except for risk's scummyness the last night and day.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 15 2011 22:23 GMT

#1648

On October 16 2011 07:15 syllogism wrote:
No Forumite, it wasn't risk.nuke's fault that you lynched him instead of nisani

If you look scummy then you get lynched.

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 15 2011 22:24 GMT

#1649

GG Nisani

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Sweden3280 Posts

October 15 2011 22:57 GMT

#1651

On October 16 2011 07:41 Erandorr wrote:

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Why did you survive then?

Didn´t look scummy after the first day, and several veteran got a Town-read from me. Your DT-check helped.

Does anyone disagree with the last lynch? Not of the flip, but why we lynched risk instead of Nisani based on what we knew at that time? In hindsight the logs Nisani produced were perhaps a bit too convenient, and risk´s sniper-comment during the night was a towntell, but it´s always easier when you know the answer.