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chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 12 2011 01:48 GMT
#42
/in if there's room
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 16 2011 20:57 GMT
#121
Hi I would like to claim J.R.R. Tolkien, Creator of Middle Earth - As creator of Middle Earth you know pretty much everything that goes on ever. You can make the game play out however you want because guess what - you wrote the whole damn thing.

Also, here is the role list:
[lol not posting this you guys cause that would be cheating and Curu would modkill me]

You win when the game is over and everyone enjoys your story.

So now I'm confirmed town cause nobody is gonna counter claim me and this is by no means a fake claim I want everyone to claim to me in PM because I wrote the story you are allowed to do this regardless of what Curu says but only do it if you're mafia so town don't get modkilled and oh look this is a run on sentence but I don't even care I hope you read it really fast in your head because of the lack of punctuation.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 04:37 GMT
#207
On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:

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On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:

Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment.


They definitely should be.


Nope. The entire content of his post was all based on game mechanics. Game mechanics reveal zero about a player's alignment, so if you give people town cred for posting that, the whole mafia team is going to do it and pretty soon you're completely fucked.

On September 17 2011 11:31 Ciryandor wrote:
Just a talking point, what if he's Smeagol/Gollum? His behavior seems normal if that was his role; as he would want the ring, try to fish for it, and throttle anyone who got in his way of looking for it.


This is a mafia game, not a roleplaying game. Don't waste time on speculation like this, and don't subtly cast suspicion on players like this. Both are bad things.



The Ring has been a good starting point for conversation, but I'd like to start seeing more interaction between people. We've figured out some basic things about the Ring:
1. Don't claim you have it.
2. Don't pass it on unless you feel it is necessary.
3. If Sauron or Saruman get it we can all run and cry.

Anymore discussion about this is wasted. Starting now look at some of the posts people have made, try to figure out what the intent of them is. Ask people questions. Scum hate being asked what they think of the alignment of their scumbuddies, they want to keep to the shadows. Let's not give them what they want.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 13:46 GMT
#265
No more discussion of the Ring. It's just leading us to the same conversations that we have already covered and is providing a great atmosphere that scum can hide in without having to talk about anything else. It's good to see that we're moving more into player analysis.

TranceStorm - This guy is not mafia. There is zero scum motivation behind his posts, and he's playing better than almost all of you right now. He made a plan that perhaps has some flaws...that does not make him mafia. Check out any of sandroba's games as town. You'll see some terrible, terrible plans there that I think he got lynched for once or twice. Bad plan =/= scum, especially when his posting has been pro-town.

wherebugsgo - Jester or Village Idiot is my immediate thought. There is no way he is this bad.

supersoft - Post in more detail, give better reasons for your thoughts. Posts like the following are exactly how mafia like to build up bandwagons without being remembered for it.

On September 17 2011 20:26 supersoft wrote:
i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.

chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 14:05 GMT
#267
I find it to be really spammy, but not suspicious.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 14:38 GMT
#272
On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote:
What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring.


So comment on something else. There are enough posts by this point that you can generate some productive discussion by scumhunting and analyzing. We've got at least ten pages of constant posting, so go through that and find some scum instead of complaining when you are rightfully called out for not contributing.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#274
On September 17 2011 23:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote:
What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring.


So comment on something else. There are enough posts by this point that you can generate some productive discussion by scumhunting and analyzing. We've got at least ten pages of constant posting, so go through that and find some scum instead of complaining when you are rightfully called out for not contributing.

Read what I just posted. Or do you require me to say: WTF IS UP WITH BUGS??????? Discuss.


Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 15:04 GMT
#276
Where did he say there are no VI's??
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 15:10 GMT
#278
Just out of curiosity, at what point in the game did you ask that question?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 15:28 GMT
#283
On September 18 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote:
I can buy into the first part. Somebody stating they don't have a scummy feeling about anybody getting votes so far is fair enough. But following it up with let's just pick a random person is pure stupid and borderline scummy.


Are mafia going to be pushing their objectives so blatantly though? The rest of xt's posts are fairly solid, I feel. It was either Ver or Qatol that was coaching and I asked them for advice, and they said that the most obvious mafia suspects you have are never going to be mafia. I think something like this fits that category. We also know from past games that town xt has some strange ideas.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 15:39 GMT
#285
Radfield what do you think about the possibility of xt being scum?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 17 2011 16:05 GMT
#288
Another thing people seem to view as a big scumtell is contradictions. Unless that contradiction is something along the lines of "I think Player A is definitely scum" and then six posts later "Player A is not someone I want to lynch today", or someone contradicts themselves while explaining a claim, then it is usually not a mafia tell. I've seen contradictions used as points of analysis in a lot of games recently, and they've been wrong very often.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 18 2011 20:08 GMT
#515
Sorry I haven't been around, been busy, and this may be my only chance to post today. I will be voting for supersoft.

Let's take a look at some of his posts:

On September 17 2011 20:26 supersoft wrote:
i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.


Take note of this - he thinks WBG is scummy. While he doesn't say it outright (not wanting to commit to a stance) he implies it by saying it's 'artificial'.


Now we've got his opinion on a bunch of different players, and in the post following this one he states that these are the players he is most suspicious of.

On September 18 2011 09:25 supersoft wrote:
okay I just catched up and made my notes.

chaoser
votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread)
DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.

„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on
greymist.“


This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.

He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes

Not once has he mentioned either Greymist or prplhz previously, and he provides no reasons for his reads here. Apparently because chaoser disagrees with supersoft's unspoken reads, that makes him suspicious. This is not townie behavior.

GreYMisT
He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion.
Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.

Recaps what Greymist has done this game. Cool. That provides nothing useful at all, anyone could have done this. Weak reason for being suspicious. Again, not townie behavior.

@ Navillus
ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.

Why is this guy on your suspicious list?

@ Drazerk

How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P

about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol

Again, just repeating what's happened so far. Providing nothing new or useful.

iGrok

Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net.
He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.

Best reasoning so far, but still weak. His entire explanation here is that he plays better; doesn't find any scummy behavior, just that he isn't townie enough.

@ TranceStorm
your plan sucks.

Bad plan =/= scum. Besides, his plan really isn't that bad. I can't see any way in which it will hurt us badly.


On September 18 2011 09:28 supersoft wrote:
these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know.


Remember earlier when I was talking about what sort of contradictions are scumtells and which aren't? This is one that is a scum tell. For no apparent reason, WBG is no longer suspicious. In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one:
1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence
2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance

These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum.

##Vote supersoft
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 18 2011 20:08 GMT
#517
And in case you didn't realize, my comments on his bigger post are bolded and italicized.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#592
supersoft I would very much like to see you address the points I raised against you
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 19 2011 12:37 GMT
#712
Hey guys, sorry my activity level has been down, I've been pretty busy. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute more this week. I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better.
Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 02:11 GMT
#804
On September 17 2011 09:57 kitaman27 wrote:
sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch?


Hey hey, as I was reading through the thread I noticed something strange. I saw this and thought "Where did Sandroba say he would be gone...?"

Turns out he didn't. Neither did anyone else. At least, not in the thread. Where did this information come from then? From the mafia QT. When a player has extra information that they shouldn't have...

##Vote kitaman27

So when one of kita or sandroba flips scum, we've got another confirmed red to go after.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 02:14 GMT
#806
On September 20 2011 11:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Hahahaha. Shaking in your boots?


Yeah of course, you mention my name and I piss myself in terror.

I suppose I should give you a chance to explain yourself though.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 02:20 GMT
#808
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=21688

Sandroba's filter. I don't see that post there, I don't see any edited posts, and the word "sunday" does not come up when I ctrl+f. I are confused.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 02:24 GMT
#811
Oh, that was in the voting thread.

##unvote
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 02:25 GMT
#813
I was dead in Ace's game at that time.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 03:13 GMT
#821
Hey guys. While attempting to read through the thread again to actually become a proper part of the game, after the fifth time my efforts petered off I realized that I just don't have the motivation to play a proper town game these days. Seeing as this is the third game I've replaced myself in recently, I'm gonna stop joining games until I sort myself out. I have no idea how long I'll be gone, but I promise that when I have the time and the inclination I'll be back here to play. Thank you guys so much for being here and making this a fun experience for me. Happy scumhunting in my absence.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 03:18 GMT
#823
Although before I leave..
People you should trust:
- Dr. H
- TranceStorm
- prplhz
- Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum)

Watch out for Radfield
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 20 2011 03:20 GMT
#825
On September 20 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Was I that convincing? Not sure what to make of this :/


Make nothing of it. It has nothing to do with the game. My mind isn't in the right place to be playing mafia. If I keep joining games I'm just gonna be letting you guys down cause I'm not putting effort in.
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