EPTOn September 21 2011 07:49 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm also loving how people are showing up right after an FoS.
I'm also loving how people are showing up right after an FoS.
It's magic.
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
It's magic. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
Now I know how to conjure up a Drazerk. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
say my name three times in any thread and ill appear. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Updated Day 2 Vote Count Yea! Palmar (1) jcarlsoniv Pyo (1) OriginalName TranceStorm (2) Cyber_cheese GreyMist iGrok (3) Palmar GGQ Sandroba jcarlsoniv (1) Archon_Toilet Radfield (1) Pyo Vain (0) Drazerk (1) heist supersoft (1) TranceStorm 24 hours left in Day 2 OMG! | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Sure is empty in here. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote: I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield? You're a terrible target for scum. Lets assume you are telling the truth though and just got hit. This means you have some kind of night life(lives) as obviously you weren't medic protted. Day Vig kills have to be placed in thread, as do bombers, nukers, kingmakers, etc. I have never heard of a role that can kill a player during the day anonymously. The only possibility left is that you were targetted with some kind of delayed KP, like a Hooker or something, but that doesn't fit. Looking at the list of roles from PYPI(which is basically everything) I don't see anything that resembles an anonymous day kill. Options: 1. Scum shot you. Not likely as you are an awful target and scum don't get free kills. An untrackable, unwatchable, no accountability kill does not make for a fun mafia game. 2. Town shot you. More likely than scum, and far more likely balance wise. Giving a townie a free anonymous shot is far more balanced than giving scum one. I don't see why you would be hit though as you're not on the short list for scum. Terrible play if a townie shot, and no one claimed it(they would have presumably been around for the flip). 3. You're lying. This seems more likely than either of the other two scenarios. However, your claim is nonsensical and does nothing but cast suspicion on you. Some players(cough Palmar cough) make claims like that, you don't seem the sort. 4. Some role I've never heard is in the game. Only two of these options make sense: You are lying or there is another role. Yet neither of those make enough sense right now. I'm setting this aside for now, someone else pick it up if they want to. + Show Spoiler [ Pyo's post] + On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield I'm mildly confident in saying that's the biggest kneejerk/OMGUS i've seen. I asked you a simple question, and not only did you not answer it, but you've come up with an intensely manufactured case. If anyone actually wants me to defend myself here I will, but I'd much rather lynch scum. And I think you're scum Pyo. Lets take a walk down Pyo lane. I honestly don't know how you made it this far. ***After tossing suspicion on a few players, we go straight to a vote post: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo *voting for a third party instead of scum, check *might learn about game set up/mechanics, check *Proceed to tunnel WBG and never comment on the other lynches, check ***The rest of your posts, almost literally the rest of your posts have consisted in cutting down other players: Jackal, OriginalName, Archon, Cyber_Cheese, Radfield, iGrok. But that's it, cutting down, arguing, but never contributing or actually casting suspicion. This is the closest you have come to calling somone out: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 17:27 Pyo wrote: man, I look away from the thread for about a couple hours and this crazy shit happens...anyway, what an incredibly scummy thing to say... Yet when I give you an opportunity to actually weigh in on him you OMGUS me instead. You also state that: The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. Yet never actually mention who these suspicious players are. ***You're only large post consists of almost no content. Talking about null reads, dead players and softballing suspicion on me. I think you are scum. However I'm willing to accept that I'm biased since you're attacking me. If Pyo is not scum, can someone please weigh in on what I'm missing. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:53 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote: I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield? You're a terrible target for scum. Lets assume you are telling the truth though and just got hit. This means you have some kind of night life(lives) as obviously you weren't medic protted. Day Vig kills have to be placed in thread, as do bombers, nukers, kingmakers, etc. I have never heard of a role that can kill a player during the day anonymously. The only possibility left is that you were targetted with some kind of delayed KP, like a Hooker or something, but that doesn't fit. Looking at the list of roles from PYPI(which is basically everything) I don't see anything that resembles an anonymous day kill. Options: 1. Scum shot you. Not likely as you are an awful target and scum don't get free kills. An untrackable, unwatchable, no accountability kill does not make for a fun mafia game. 2. Town shot you. More likely than scum, and far more likely balance wise. Giving a townie a free anonymous shot is far more balanced than giving scum one. I don't see why you would be hit though as you're not on the short list for scum. Terrible play if a townie shot, and no one claimed it(they would have presumably been around for the flip). 3. You're lying. This seems more likely than either of the other two scenarios. However, your claim is nonsensical and does nothing but cast suspicion on you. Some players(cough Palmar cough) make claims like that, you don't seem the sort. 4. Some role I've never heard is in the game. Only two of these options make sense: You are lying or there is another role. Yet neither of those make enough sense right now. I'm setting this aside for now, someone else pick it up if they want to. + Show Spoiler [ Pyo's post] + On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield I'm mildly confident in saying that's the biggest kneejerk/OMGUS i've seen. I asked you a simple question, and not only did you not answer it, but you've come up with an intensely manufactured case. If anyone actually wants me to defend myself here I will, but I'd much rather lynch scum. And I think you're scum Pyo. Lets take a walk down Pyo lane. I honestly don't know how you made it this far. ***After tossing suspicion on a few players, we go straight to a vote post: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo *voting for a third party instead of scum, check *might learn about game set up/mechanics, check *Proceed to tunnel WBG and never comment on the other lynches, check ***The rest of your posts, almost literally the rest of your posts have consisted in cutting down other players: Jackal, OriginalName, Archon, Cyber_Cheese, Radfield, iGrok. But that's it, cutting down, arguing, but never contributing or actually casting suspicion. This is the closest you have come to calling somone out: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 17:27 Pyo wrote: man, I look away from the thread for about a couple hours and this crazy shit happens...anyway, what an incredibly scummy thing to say... Yet when I give you an opportunity to actually weigh in on him you OMGUS me instead. You also state that: The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. Yet never actually mention who these suspicious players are. ***You're only large post consists of almost no content. Talking about null reads, dead players and softballing suspicion on me. I think you are scum. However I'm willing to accept that I'm biased since you're attacking me. If Pyo is not scum, can someone please weigh in on what I'm missing. I noticed while I was reading another thing about Pyo, after I call him out and accuse him/vote him I find that he only addresses one part of my arguement which is really when I look back fairly irrelivent in the whole case of it all. I see no reason as of this moment to see him as town so unless I see something bigger on my scumdar from iGrok (who is next on my list by the way mostly for that bullshit list he posted on D1 to feign contribution). 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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:58 Radfield wrote: Trancestorm, supersoft said he would be away until wednesday. Shelf your case for now and look at him in two days. He never explicitly said that he wouldn't be able to post until wednesday. But I can give him leeway for right now until Thursday. Also, does anyone else feel disquieted by the fact that iGrok refuses to respond to any of the arguments leveled against him (and change his behavior at all)? | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:09 TranceStorm wrote: He never explicitly said that he wouldn't be able to post until wednesday. But I can give him leeway for right now until Thursday. Also, does anyone else feel disquieted by the fact that iGrok refuses to respond to any of the arguments leveled against him (and change his behavior at all)? Yeah im still giving him time but the long it goes on the worse... | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
Do you guys hate me that much? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:32 OriginalName wrote: Why is it that whenever im actually around the thread basically dies? Do you guys hate me that much? Why are you never around when other people are! >: O | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:35 iGrok wrote: Why are you never around when other people are! >: O Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:45 iGrok wrote: Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually I should clarify that that means sometime in the next hour most likely | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:07 syllogism wrote: I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim. I've been thinking about this. And I think it is, in fact, time for me to claim. So, as my meta, this is my incredibly huge post. Ok, I've come under a lot of fire lately for lurking. And it's true, I have been. But trying to use meta arguments (other than lack of a monster post, which is never on D1 anyways) on me is stupid - I dare you to find two games in which I've played similar styles as similar roles. And in this game, I'm a role I've never been before. I am the Balrog. I am a Survivor. I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf.
But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power:
I'll take a quick breather to let you all think about everything I've just said. When you're ready, scroll down. It's time for my favorite! Setup Analysis time! In a closed setup, its difficult - but as a 3rd party role, and with all the recent flips, I think I can figure a few things out. I'll start with my role, as it is the most complicated. Survivors suck. You have to somehow survive to endgame, against a mafia team who doesn't know not to kill you. So you have to be as non-threatening as possible, while avoiding lynch. This leads you to lurk hardcore. This is no fun. But my role is a little different. I have a goal, and tools at my disposal. And I think I've figured out how Curu intended for Balrog to be played - Investigate people, when you find a Maia, use the thread to figure out what kind. Then get them lynched. Use the oneshot to get the ring once it pops up somewhere, and then go into heavy pro-town action to win the game. With the death of Gandalf though, I can change things up a bit. After all, it's in my best interest to survive. And for me, the choice seems clear: Get the ring. With this in mind, I have a proposal for the town. 2 Maia have died (Gandalf and Sauron). One, maybe two are left. Saruman definitely, lets be honest he's going to be in here. He's kind of a big deal in LotR. Radagast on the other hand...+ Show Spoiler + If he's in the game, he's probably a miller or traitor with some sort of bonus power. He was a good guy who aided Saruman in Lotr lore. He's pretty obscure though, so idk if he's in the game. Anyways, my proposal - give me the ring, and I'll trade you an unblockable KP, Saruman checks, and I'll actually contribute useful analysis. Who decides on the KP? Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post. Also, I'll check whoever got the second-most votes each night to see if they are Saruman or Radagast. Why should you trust me? Because this forces me to act pro-town. I'm basically saying, I'm 3rd party but with your help I can be a Bullet-proof Vigilante. Think about that. If I get the ring, I can still be lynched - so if I don't hold up my end, you can lynch me. So thats the deal. I want to win. Give me the ring, and I hunt the other White Wizard, while scumhunting the best I can. As a sign of good faith, I'll include an analysis later on, and I'll tell you that Radfield is neither Saruman nor Radagast (I thought he might be Gandalf). On to the rest of the analysis, what little I can do. Take it or leave it, but I've been known to perfectly guess setups before. I won't attempt to do so, but lets see... First, look at Gandalf's Powers. He's called a Jack of all Trades, but he's not actually that strong. He has 4 powers, but he can't even combine them. Gandalf is supposed to be the strongest damn being in the lotr universe. But he's a purely information role. In contrast, Sauron's Role: He, too, has investigative powers. He also has an unblockable kill, AND is godfather. Sauron just seems like a more powerful role than Gandalf. But what can we take from this? Mafia seem to be pretty heavily loaded. Supporting this are the existence of a Jailkeeper and Messenger - Messengers are awesome for confirming players, and Jailkeepers are excellent on offense or defense against mafia. So, with heavily loaded mafia AND at least one 3rd party, Town has to have some serious firepower and/or protection. I expect Aragorn to have KP (Curu if you make him and Legolas Trackers I will not forgive you - and if GIMLI doesn't have kp... They're the fucking heroes!) I don't forsee there being more than two medics (Eowyn and Galadriel are my guesses), but combined with a Jailkeeper and a vet or two we're starting to talk about some high-power games. My final note about setup: Pippin (Peregrin Took). The existence of pm-oriented roles is cool, and I highly doubt there's just one. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Merry was a clone of Pippin's role. So now its time for some sample analysis. And my focus today is Palmar. On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo Pause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 19 2011 05:58 heist wrote: The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch. On September 21 2011 06:30 heist wrote: 5. Yeah because I totally knew both were townies. I had no good scum reads day 1. I made it abundantly clear that my priority for lynching was purely based on who could most likely be mafia, not who is most likely not town from the leading candidates. You're so scummy it's not even funny. | ||
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