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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 02:15 GMT
#1006
I guess scum thought Greymist was looking more Town than I did.

On September 20 2011 11:01 Curu wrote:
Because a 3 Townie Mason circle is so OP in a game with 13 people. GMarshal knows how to balance games.
Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you?

Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us.

Also, someone cockroleblocked me tonight.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 02:32 GMT
#1011
It´s not the first time I make a FoS right before the daypost, only to see that person die. I don´t like pressuring during the night, if we get a good case going, then scum will stay away from that target and let us lynch him instead.

My "soft FoS" on you was because I tried to understand what Lucidity was about, and test that case, it didn´t have anything to do with Nisani. After some hectic posting, you got frustrated but didn´t break or scumslip. Makes you look town, and there´s not much more to get from pressuring on that point.

I think tnkted is more and more Town from what happened tonight. He had the pieces, and the only reason they would roleblock me would be if the elements had gone to me. I´still worried that he didn´t post before the daypost like he promised.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 02:37 GMT
#1014
On September 20 2011 11:21 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 11:15 Forumite wrote:
I guess scum thought Greymist was looking more Town than I did.

On September 20 2011 11:01 Curu wrote:
Because a 3 Townie Mason circle is so OP in a game with 13 people. GMarshal knows how to balance games.
Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you?

Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us.

Also, someone cockroleblocked me tonight.


Did you seriously just ask that?

He´s pushing that there must be a scum among us 3, he must know he could just as well be the one.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 02:39 GMT
#1015
Seriously? Are you going to get me lynched now?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 02:42 GMT
#1019
On September 20 2011 11:40 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 11:37 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 11:21 Erandorr wrote:
On September 20 2011 11:15 Forumite wrote:
I guess scum thought Greymist was looking more Town than I did.

On September 20 2011 11:01 Curu wrote:
Because a 3 Townie Mason circle is so OP in a game with 13 people. GMarshal knows how to balance games.
Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you?

Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us.

Also, someone cockroleblocked me tonight.


Did you seriously just ask that?

He´s pushing that there must be a scum among us 3, he must know he could just as well be the one.


its 4 am for you too isnt it?

You mean tnkted? He posted that he would reveal his plan right before the daypost, why would he do that if he didn´t expect to be up at the deadline?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 03:08 GMT
#1026
On September 20 2011 12:01 Erandorr wrote:
Since you dont seem to get why I am kinda weirded out:
Show nested quote +
Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you?

Eh because either he is town and knows that so he isnt even thinking about that so your question is just stupid. Or he is scum and still posting under the assumption that he is town.

I sort of think Curu just might know what his own role is, and that THAT is your only defense at this point in the game just baffles me.
Asuming you are town you should either think he is full of shit and scum or wrong about the circle and town.
But you are not saying "LOL scrub I know I am town so it must be you" but instead say "well uhm IT COULD BE YOU TOO".

Saying "I´m Town" doesn´t prove anything, you know?

My point is that Curu has looked scummy earlier in this game. He is the primary cause that Sinani got killed, he´s been lurking, wasted votes, and his original case on me was based solely on "It´s not me so it must be you", without considering that we COULD all be town, and Nisani could of course be scum, although I doubt that.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 03:09 GMT
#1027
It´s late, logging off.

Expecting to hear from tnkted soon.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 09:51 GMT
#1043
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:00 GMT
#1044
On September 20 2011 17:38 Lucidity wrote:
I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me.

Yay, another piece!

I agree that we don´t want all in one basket, but wouldn´t claiming be a good thing to do before sending it over? That way we can confirm when you got it, if that detail should ever be important. Also, while I think you are Town, the circumstances that made tnkted trustworthy enough to get elements don´t really apply here.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:10 GMT
#1047
On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot

So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore?

Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:16 GMT
#1049
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:19 GMT
#1050
On September 20 2011 19:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:10 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot

So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore?

Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all.


And based on scum knowing that, they could use it to their advantage to save the third person by choosing to link them, it's a very wifom scenario.

And you are using a WIFOM argument to make that point. If the best plan is to keep scum disconnected whenever possible, and putting all the scum forward as a united team is the worst plan, why choose the worst plan?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:32 GMT
#1052
On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.

And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me...

You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:36 GMT
#1053
On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 11:00 Forumite wrote:
Expecting a post from tnkted...

Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity.

Right, you are Zecora and have a roleblock ability, but why use it on me?

I guess it makes sense to have a Town Roleblocker in a game where everyone could get a nightpower.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 11:59 GMT
#1055
On September 20 2011 20:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:32 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.

And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me...

You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak.


But you stopped discrediting them long enough to commit to making me specifically target Jackal why?
Because it was a trap designed for you to prove your scumminess, the case on Jackal was inappropriately the strongest, when blaming him for chaos's death didn't actually make any sense
Chaos did at no point accuse Jackal, and therefore the whole NK WIFOM section belongs under Tnkted.
You chose to overlook it, because it was convenient that I had 'forgotten' that the main person he had accused was you.

Were you trying to make a trap there? Why did you make the cases so bad then? There are loads of things you left out of that analysis. True, I missed the purposefully wrong argument, because there were so many other arguments you left out.

As for Chaos13, you accusing me because Chaos13 died after making a case against me, there´s a word for that, WIFOM. If I´m scum, it would make sense for me to kill the one pushing for me, but it makes just as much sense for scum to kill Chaos13 if I´m Town, to put suspicion on me, or kill Chaos13 because he´s a good player. Nightkills are not evidence of anything but the role and alignment of the one killed.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 12:32 GMT
#1056
Votes Day 1+ Show Spoiler +
Forumite (1)
1-Lucidity
2-Chaos13
4-Sevryn/Erandorr
17-Chaos13

Greymist (0)
3-tnkted

DroneAllDay (0)
5-Nisani201
6-Dreamflower

OriginalName/Curu (2)
7-tnkted
11-tnkted
13-chaos13
14-nisani201
15-sinani206
20-DroneAllDay
24-Nisani201

tnkted (1)
8-wherebugsgo
21-Sevryn

Sinani206 (7)
9-Greymist
10-Curu
16-Forumite
22-Dreamflower
25-Lucidity
26-Jackal58
27-wherebugsgo

Dreamflower (1)
12-sinani206
18-tnkted

Chaos13 (0)
19-Jackal58

wherebugsgo (0)
23-Nisani201

Nisani201 (1)
28-DroneAllDay

Votes Day 2+ Show Spoiler +
tnkted (0)
1-Nisani201
2-wherebugsgo

wherebugsgo (4)
3-Jackal58
11-Nisani201
12-Forumite
14-Lucidity
19-Jackal58
20-tnkted
24-Greymist

Jackal58 (1)
4-wherebugsgo
7-Nisani201
8-Sevryn
23-Greymist

Nisani201 (2)
5-Greymist
6-wherebugsgo
25-wherebugsgo
26-Jackal58

Forumite (2)
9-tnkted
10-Cyber_Cheese
13-Curu

Lucidity (0)
15-tnkted
16-Forumite
17-Greymist
21-wherebugsgo

Sevryn/Erandorr (0)
18-Jackal58

Cyber_Cheese (1)
22-Forumite
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 13:23 GMT
#1060
On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote:
Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia.

Or I just got a PM that I was roleblocked.

Anyway I think it was a waste, that roleblock would have been better for when Scum got a hold of an element to stop them from burning those powers.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 21:47 GMT
#1089
On September 21 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 03:01 Lucidity wrote:
On September 21 2011 02:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I've been going about this all the wrong way, I tried to write an epic wall of text on who the mafia were to make up for my lurking, and it was horrible, so I'm thinking we take a different approach
So far the discussion is too based on elements, pm circles and pony lore.
We all know there is probably three scum left, and I think it would be best if town got organized and sorted out who is most likely to be scum, so I'm thinking everybody post the three people you think most likely to be mafia and why
Mine is the cutie mark crusaders for the reasons I listed a page ago
An organized town is mafias worst enemy, we can analyse people that appear on everybodys lists and crosscheck with the lynch today etc with that information.

Fluff.

Bad logic.

Lurker.

Scum.

##Vote Cyber_Cheese

Explain to me why all 3 scum would out themselves and talk about their QT in the thread?


So what exactly about the plan is bad logic or scummy?
I'm a replacement who's been largely inactive in this game, rather than need to go through and make a very solid case that explained everything I thought about everyone, I could go about it and lay a trap for scum to waltz into, and you waltz'd perfectly.
Especially since your strongest 'evidence' in throwing that vote on me was the arguments I admitted to being particularly weak yesterday AND you are not a part of those three people that declared to have a circle.
If we needed evidence on Lucidity, this seems to be it.
##Unvote Forumite
##Vote Lucidity

Cyber, you are not helping your case when you post bad plans as traps, and react instantly with OMGUS on anyone disagreeing. Your plan was bad, posting what everyone thinks helps scum to blend in, it´s not surprising that Lucidity reacted the way he did.

First it´s Me+Jackal+tnkted, then it´s Me+Curu+Nisani, then it´s Me+Curu+Lucidity, and you do this without considering the implications of the changes, you just change to include the latest suspects. With removing Nisani, does that mean that the CMC has 2 scum and one town? That you base it all around your idea that I MUST be scum makes it even worse, not only because I´m Town, but also because you miss things, and see scumtells where there are towntells. When reading this post, I expect you are thinking "Lucidity and Forumite both attack me when I attack them, they must both be scum", right? If it only took one post from Lucidity to change your mind on the make-up of the scumteam, how can you be sure on this last one? If tnkted disagree with your bad posting, does that make him scum too?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 21:51 GMT
#1090
On September 21 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 06:24 Lucidity wrote:
On September 19 2011 11:07 GMarshal wrote:
It is now night 2! You have 24 actions to get actions in to me. Dreamflower did not vote, and will be replaced in the next 24 hours or modkilled with the day post. I still need 2 replacements

What happened with this?

I had someone who possibly was able to replace but needed to check something about their schedule. this was about 18 hours ago, waiting to hear back from him.

If the player does show up, do we get an extended day to hear more from him/her?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 21 2011 06:41 GMT
#1116
On September 21 2011 14:43 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm going to hope like hell that there is someone in a different timezone that knows what I'm talking about.

If anyone has anything to say, please say it.

Are you sure it´s Honesty that you want? Honesty has allready been completed and is either in the hands of tnkted or Jackal. I think Kindness, and perhaps one other, is distributed as pieces right now, but Honesty is complete.
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