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On September 20 2011 11:01 Curu wrote: Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you? Because a 3 Townie Mason circle is so OP in a game with 13 people. GMarshal knows how to balance games. Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us. Also, someone | ||
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My "soft FoS" on you was because I tried to understand what Lucidity was about, and test that case, it didn´t have anything to do with Nisani. After some hectic posting, you got frustrated but didn´t break or scumslip. Makes you look town, and there´s not much more to get from pressuring on that point. I think tnkted is more and more Town from what happened tonight. He had the pieces, and the only reason they would roleblock me would be if the elements had gone to me. I´still worried that he didn´t post before the daypost like he promised. | ||
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He´s pushing that there must be a scum among us 3, he must know he could just as well be the one. | ||
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You mean tnkted? He posted that he would reveal his plan right before the daypost, why would he do that if he didn´t expect to be up at the deadline? | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:01 Erandorr wrote: Since you dont seem to get why I am kinda weirded out: Eh because either he is town and knows that so he isnt even thinking about that so your question is just stupid. Or he is scum and still posting under the assumption that he is town. I sort of think Curu just might know what his own role is, and that THAT is your only defense at this point in the game just baffles me. Asuming you are town you should either think he is full of shit and scum or wrong about the circle and town. But you are not saying "LOL scrub I know I am town so it must be you" but instead say "well uhm IT COULD BE YOU TOO". Saying "I´m Town" doesn´t prove anything, you know? My point is that Curu has looked scummy earlier in this game. He is the primary cause that Sinani got killed, he´s been lurking, wasted votes, and his original case on me was based solely on "It´s not me so it must be you", without considering that we COULD all be town, and Nisani could of course be scum, although I doubt that. | ||
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Expecting to hear from tnkted soon. | ||
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On September 20 2011 17:38 Lucidity wrote: I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me. Yay, another piece! I agree that we don´t want all in one basket, but wouldn´t claiming be a good thing to do before sending it over? That way we can confirm when you got it, if that detail should ever be important. Also, while I think you are Town, the circumstances that made tnkted trustworthy enough to get elements don´t really apply here. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies. Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite. Their QT has nothing to do with the elements. I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them. + Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] + Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore? Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it. In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red. Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: And based on scum knowing that, they could use it to their advantage to save the third person by choosing to link them, it's a very wifom scenario. And you are using a WIFOM argument to make that point. If the best plan is to keep scum disconnected whenever possible, and putting all the scum forward as a united team is the worst plan, why choose the worst plan? | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest. I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them. And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me... You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote: Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity. Right, you are Zecora and have a roleblock ability, but why use it on me? I guess it makes sense to have a Town Roleblocker in a game where everyone could get a nightpower. | ||
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On September 20 2011 20:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote: But you stopped discrediting them long enough to commit to making me specifically target Jackal why? Because it was a trap designed for you to prove your scumminess, the case on Jackal was inappropriately the strongest, when blaming him for chaos's death didn't actually make any sense Chaos did at no point accuse Jackal, and therefore the whole NK WIFOM section belongs under Tnkted. You chose to overlook it, because it was convenient that I had 'forgotten' that the main person he had accused was you. Were you trying to make a trap there? Why did you make the cases so bad then? There are loads of things you left out of that analysis. True, I missed the purposefully wrong argument, because there were so many other arguments you left out. As for Chaos13, you accusing me because Chaos13 died after making a case against me, there´s a word for that, WIFOM. If I´m scum, it would make sense for me to kill the one pushing for me, but it makes just as much sense for scum to kill Chaos13 if I´m Town, to put suspicion on me, or kill Chaos13 because he´s a good player. Nightkills are not evidence of anything but the role and alignment of the one killed. | ||
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Forumite (1) 17-Chaos13 Greymist (0) DroneAllDay (0) OriginalName/Curu (2) 15-sinani206 24-Nisani201 tnkted (1) 21-Sevryn Sinani206 (7) 9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite 22-Dreamflower 25-Lucidity 26-Jackal58 27-wherebugsgo Dreamflower (1) 18-tnkted Chaos13 (0) wherebugsgo (0) Nisani201 (1) 28-DroneAllDay Votes Day 2+ Show Spoiler + tnkted (0) wherebugsgo (4) 11-Nisani201 14-Lucidity 20-tnkted 24-Greymist Jackal58 (1) 8-Sevryn Nisani201 (2) 25-wherebugsgo 26-Jackal58 Forumite (2) 10-Cyber_Cheese 13-Curu Lucidity (0) Sevryn/Erandorr (0) Cyber_Cheese (1) 22-Forumite | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote: Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia. Or I just got a PM that I was roleblocked. Anyway I think it was a waste, that roleblock would have been better for when Scum got a hold of an element to stop them from burning those powers. | ||
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On September 21 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So what exactly about the plan is bad logic or scummy? I'm a replacement who's been largely inactive in this game, rather than need to go through and make a very solid case that explained everything I thought about everyone, I could go about it and lay a trap for scum to waltz into, and you waltz'd perfectly. Especially since your strongest 'evidence' in throwing that vote on me was the arguments I admitted to being particularly weak yesterday AND you are not a part of those three people that declared to have a circle. If we needed evidence on Lucidity, this seems to be it. ##Unvote Forumite ##Vote Lucidity Cyber, you are not helping your case when you post bad plans as traps, and react instantly with OMGUS on anyone disagreeing. Your plan was bad, posting what everyone thinks helps scum to blend in, it´s not surprising that Lucidity reacted the way he did. First it´s Me+Jackal+tnkted, then it´s Me+Curu+Nisani, then it´s Me+Curu+Lucidity, and you do this without considering the implications of the changes, you just change to include the latest suspects. With removing Nisani, does that mean that the CMC has 2 scum and one town? That you base it all around your idea that I MUST be scum makes it even worse, not only because I´m Town, but also because you miss things, and see scumtells where there are towntells. When reading this post, I expect you are thinking "Lucidity and Forumite both attack me when I attack them, they must both be scum", right? If it only took one post from Lucidity to change your mind on the make-up of the scumteam, how can you be sure on this last one? If tnkted disagree with your bad posting, does that make him scum too? | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: I had someone who possibly was able to replace but needed to check something about their schedule. this was about 18 hours ago, waiting to hear back from him. If the player does show up, do we get an extended day to hear more from him/her? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:43 Nisani201 wrote: I'm going to hope like hell that there is someone in a different timezone that knows what I'm talking about. If anyone has anything to say, please say it. Are you sure it´s Honesty that you want? Honesty has allready been completed and is either in the hands of tnkted or Jackal. I think Kindness, and perhaps one other, is distributed as pieces right now, but Honesty is complete. | ||
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