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Scum caught trolling?
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Mr. Wiggles
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##Vote: JeeJee Scum caught trolling? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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Why so scummy, JeeJee? Hiding behind "eliminating a town threat" rhetoric, when it was the worst time to kill the horror and the day we would be most likely to mislynch anyways. Also, to keep track: #Of insane people 0-1/12 | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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If Jackal is the Psychologist, visit Chaos13. | ||
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I'm wondering if you actually have anything stronger than just that he found the breadcrumb. Also, try to write it from an objective stand-point, and not one where you begin with the thought that he's already the EA. Number of insane players: 1-3/10 | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On August 31 2011 04:22 chaos13 wrote: Yes, I'll actually write a proper analysis later this afternoon that covers everything. I have to head out the door in a minute or two, so I don't have time to do it right now. # of insane players could actually be 0, if psych and EA visited the same person each night. EA's action goes through first, meaning the player is already insane once the pysch visits them, so they're cured of their insanity the same night it happens. I know that, but EA counts as insane, so the minimum is 1. | ||
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On August 31 2011 09:28 chaos13 wrote: Wait, what? So, you think Jackal is scum, most likely EA, but because other people don't agree (before you've even posted an actual analysis), you just drop it? General consensus seems to be that I'm wasting time. So be it. Jackal is no longer a suspect. I'll start looking elsewhere. The point of analysis is to convince people to agree with you, and show them your reasoning for your reads. Even if you made an analysis, and came to the conclusion that Jackal is actually town, that's still useful for town. Dropping your suspicion so easily because people don't initially agree with your read, and without even trying to convince them, just makes it seem like you thought your case was weak to begin with, meaning you were just looking to start a bandwagon on someone. ##Vote: Chaos13 | ||
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On August 31 2011 23:29 chaos13 wrote: Well, your response seemed very odd to me, at least. You say yourself, "Ask me questions and decide if my responses are still scummy.", so I ask, "What are your reasoning for Jackal being the EA?". You respond to this, by promising me and the rest of town a future analysis of Jackal.I was frustrated yesterday. I've since gotten over it. If you really want to vote for me, tell me what mafia objectives I have been pushing this game. What does a mafioso have to gain by making such an outspoken accusation against Jackal, then backing off, and then continuing again? You can see from my games as scum that I like to lurk and lay low. Real analysis won't come from me for a few days, and then it will only be a result of becoming a major town suspect for not contributing. Show me how all my posts represent a mafia agenda. Pressure me today. Ask me questions and decide if my responses are still scummy. Address my analysis on Jackal and see what you think of it. Cyber_Cheese, where are you? You voted for me and left. Not very town-like. Then, shortly thereafter, you go back on your suspicions, and say, "General consensus seems to be that I'm wasting time. So be it. Jackal is no longer a suspect. I'll start looking elsewhere." This sticks out like a sore thumb. Until recently, you had an absolute conviction that Jackal was the EA, even to the point of asking the Psychologist to not visit him, because you believed he would die if he visited Jackal. So, I ask you for reasons about why you think he's EA, and you say you'll tell me later. Then, later, instead of telling me you reasoning, you just give up on your case. Now, this wouldn't be too unusual, if for example, you had said something along the lines of, "I looked back through Jackal's posts, and after re-reading, I believe him to be town", but instead you entirely gave up your case, because the rest of town wasn't supporting you without reasons. This looks scummy to me, because it seems like you mostly wanted to attack Jackal for finding out JeeJee, but when asked for other reasons for why he's the EA, you quickly go back on your accusations, using the lame excuse of "General consensus seems to be that I'm wasting time.". It shouldn't matter to a townie if he's being controversial, or going against majority opinion when he thinks someone's scum. It's his job to convince the rest of town that that person is scum, not just roll over and give up. By laying the blame on the rest of town not supporting you, you escape responsibility for not actually following through and posting an analysis. In fact, I doubt you would have actually posted the Jackal analysis if I hadn't pressured you to do so. This seems reinforced by the fact that you said you were writing an analysis on Jackal and that it should be done within an hour or two, but then after giving up, you don't actually post anything until 12 hours later, implying that you had no analysis started in the first place, and weren't planning on writing one either. So, after you actually post the analysis, you say the following Let me preface this by saying I am no longer at all sure that Jackal is EA. There's evidence for it, but when the whole town starts questioning you there comes a point where you begin to wonder if you're sniffing down the wrong trail. So, what is it? Is Jackal the EA because of the evidence for it? Or do you think he's not the EA because people don't agree with you? Evidence is objective, and the town's opinion doesn't influence it. Again you go back on what you were saying, shrugging off any responsibility you might have had if a mislynch happens, but still being able to post an analysis to satisfy the people asking you for one.So, do you believe Jackal is the EA or not? I also want your opinion, not what you think because of what town thinks. On September 01 2011 02:18 Forumite wrote: Do you mean bandwagoning? We don't know if he was bussing or not, because we don't know who his team mates are. Or maybe you do?I´ve been doing voting analysis, and one thing looks weird, JeeJee, confirmed Scum, didn´t buss at all, he put his vote on Cyber_Cheese, and left it there even after the others abandoned trying to lynch Cyber. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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If you look at the vote count ~4 hours before lynch, there were 5 votes on tnkted, 3 on me, and 3 on palmar. Either a Palmar or Wiggles lynch were equally valid at that point, it's just that people decided to bandwagon on me, instead of Palmar, for those unvoting tnkted. I was also asleep at that point, so as votes came off of Palmar, I wasn't able to switch to tnkted if I needed too. However, the day actually ended with three votes on tnkted, and three votes on Palmar, so at what point did tnkted become a "more likely candidate" than Palmar? Nice logic. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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Well, GG, and GL scummy. :p | ||
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The funny thing too, is that my post that you jumped on, wasn't made with any anti-town motive in mind. I actually just wrote out a plan of action, decided it was bad, but to post it anyways to "promote discussion", and look pro-town. I might've actually done the same thing as a green. :p At that point, nobody was talking, so I figured I'd give something for town to talk about. | ||
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And thanks to Hesmyrr for hosting, I had fun, and it was the first time a townie tried to beat me to death with analysis, too. :p | ||
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