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chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 04 2011 19:30 GMT
#588
What does everyone think of the possibility of Kenpachi being scum over ON or bumatlarge?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 04 2011 22:27 GMT
#597
Hello Ace
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 04 2011 22:34 GMT
#598
Let's go over why town with a role would never say this.

On September 05 2011 07:20 Ace wrote:
so I'm scum because I pointed out the inconsistencies in redFF's claims? Another fucking moron.

iGrok can we skip all the bullshit and use my role now? I don't feel like waiting.


First of all, what does a town player have to gain from this post? All it's doing is revealing to the mafia that they have a blue role. In a setup where we aren't informed of all the roles, nor are we informed of how all the roles work, this is, simply put, a bad idea.

Second, is iGrok going to respond to something like this in the thread? No, of course not, because that would be mod-confirming that Ace does in fact have a blue role. No decent host will do this.

Third, if it is a role that is used in real time when the player chooses, as implied by Ace's post here, do you think it will be used in the thread? Sure, if it's something like a dayvig that has to type ##Shoot: Player, but Ace didn't type that, meaning it's not that sort of role. Instead, it will be performed via PM.

What would a town player do in this scenario? They see they're a target of suspicion, so (assuming Ace is trying to pass as daykiller here) they would PM iGrok with their action, wait for the results, and then claim their action. So long as no counter claims come up, they're basically confirmed town.


chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:36 GMT
#635
On September 05 2011 08:59 bumatlarge wrote:
I am a Astute Lawyer. I can see how many votes were casted for an individual in the previous lynch. I checked sinani's list and saw 4 votes casted. That's why I think sandroba's claims are bullshit about being roleblocked, since there was a obviously a pious man on sinani's list. The only player alive on that list is jcarl, and by his actions where he was very suspicious of sandroba, I'm thinking he has to be the pious man. Sorry to betray you jcarl, but hopefully you survive the night and vote sandroba, because I guarantee you that you are right about his RB claim being fake.



Why don't I believe you?

1. Your role PM format doesn't match mine.
2. You outlined a power role in green font.
3. It's not even close to matching the theme of the game.
4. It came way too late to make sense.

We've already got people voting for you, so until/unless Daywalker uses their shot, I'll start voting for Ace so we can take out all the scum today.

##Vote Ace
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:40 GMT
#645
Do Zombies count towards mafia numbers, or just KP?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:41 GMT
#649
And unless the daywalker is completely clueless, it's either Varp or Drazerk or not in the game at all.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:46 GMT
#659
On September 05 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote:
Do Zombies count towards mafia numbers, or just KP?


holy shit. Read the OP.


holy shit. I see nothing in the OP that answers my question.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:48 GMT
#663
Jackal I have one problem with your claim.

No players are told how a character is returned to life.


Maybe it's a host slip and I'm seeing just seeing conspiracies, but the PM you describe gives away how you were returned to life.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#666
On September 05 2011 09:47 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 09:46 chaos13 wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:
On September 05 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote:
Do Zombies count towards mafia numbers, or just KP?


holy shit. Read the OP.


holy shit. I see nothing in the OP that answers my question.


Show nested quote +

Mafia KP is N/2 (rounded up). Zombies count towards KP.


Reading is fun bro.


Yeah I saw that. It doesn't state whether or not they count towards mafia numbers.

This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. You know who you are.


Now try reading this.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 01:02 GMT
#687
On September 05 2011 10:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
iGrok, I read through the OP again, and I don't think I saw the answer to this. I know zombies count towards mafia kp. But what if all of the original mafia die and just the zombie is left? Assuming Drazerk was town before his death, he would still be town while being a zombie. So there would be no mafia left? Even though the mafia kp would still technically be 1?


This is exactly my question.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 01:13 GMT
#698
Understood iGrok. Thank you very much.

On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".


Then compromise and vote Ace. We need him gone today too.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 03:07 GMT
#707
It was me who used colors as a reason for not believing bum's claim.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257019&currentpage=32#635

chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 14:40 GMT
#717
Can we get an updated player list please?

For everyone's reference, here is a complete list of voting the past few days, including today's votes so far. I know it isn't complete because some votes aren't formatted properly, as I just searched for ##. Some of you need to learn how to unvote, and others need to learn to put two ##'s. Day 1 I'm going off memory that sandroba voted for bum, since it didn't come up in my search.

+ Show Spoiler +


Day 1 Voting


Palmar (0)
- Jackal58 #1
- chaos13 #2
- redFF #3


Varpulis (3)
- bumatlarge #4
- redFF #5
- Palmar #6

- Kenpachi #7
- Ace # 18
- bumatlarge #22
- chaos13 #23

sinani206 (3)
- jcarlsoniv #8
- Drazerk #12
- Varpulis #19

Kenpachi (1)
- bumatlarge #9
- OriginalName #11

redFF (1)
- sinani206 #10
- Ace #27

bumatlarge (3[-1rb])

- Palmar #13
- sinani206 #16
- sandroba #?? CLAIMED ROLEBLOCK

jcarlsoniv (1)

- Sknowman #14

chaos13 (1)
- Jackal58 #15
- Ace #21

Ace (0)

- wherebugsgo #17

OriginalName (0)
- wherebugsgo # 20




Day 2 Voting

OriginalName (4)
- wherebugsgo #1
- bumatlarge #6
- redFF #11
- wherebugsgo #12

- jcarlsoniv #18
- chaos13 #19
- redFF #20
- Kenpachi #21

bumatlarge (3 [-1rb])
- sandroba #2 CLAIMED ROLEBLOCK
- wherebugsgo #3
- redFF #4

- Palmar #9
- wherebugsgo #15
- redFF #17

redFF (3)
- Ace #5
- OriginalName #13
- jcarlsoniv #14
- bumatlarge #16

wherebugsgo (0)
- chaos13 #7
- redFF #8
- Kenpachi #9


chaos13 (0)
- wherebugsgo #10



Day 3 Voting

bumatlarge (4)
- wherebugsgo #1
- sinani206 #2
- sandroba #4
- Jackal58 #7

sandroba (2)
- Ace #3
- bumatlarge #6

Ace (3)
- chaos13 #5
- jcarlsoniv #8
- Drazerk



This makes it a little easier to see how the voting patterns of a certain few players match up. Those players would be bumatlarge, Ace, OriginalName, and jcarlsoniv.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 14:44 GMT
#718
On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is".


As you can see from my vote count above this, there is no way to tell who the pious is, assuming sandroba's being roleblocked is a truthful claim (I see no reason to disbelieve it as of yet).
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 15:13 GMT
#721
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4 scum in this setup. If it was a standard game, yeah probably just 3, but with the ability of town to confirm people like sinani and varp and resurrect them, and with roles like Daywalker (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be present) and Guardian Angel (assuming your claim is true) and the Pious Voter (assuming they don't suck at scumhunting) I would say town has a definite advantage that would be balanced out by 4 mafia. I don't want us to get stuck in a tunnel of believing there is only 3 scum and then be confused later.

I also don't think mafia will zombify ON. There would be no point to it. He would be lynched immediately so all they've done is made us waste a lynch. They don't actually gain KP from it in the end. Instead they're more likely to revive a town player that was lynched or killed. Why wouldn't they? It turns town against town, essentially, forcing us to use a lynch against our own members.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 05 2011 15:16 GMT
#722
Oh and of course since they only had 1 kill last night that would mean two scum were dead at the time of that night. That would be ON and Jackal if there are 4 scum, and they would have had their minion shoot you Jackal, and you have a role that counts as power so you are automatically revived. This also makes sense with the PM iGrok sent you, because he wouldn't be worried about you knowing how you were revived, since it was all planned to begin with.

But then again I could just be stringing up some wild theories.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 06 2011 02:46 GMT
#844
On September 06 2011 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP.


Because ON is scum. Why make us lynch a scum twice when they can resurrect one of the townies they killed and make us lynch town?

On September 06 2011 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I have an idea. It may already be too late, but it's worth doing probably. @Jackal, to make sure sandroba doesn't get RBd again, you could protect him.


Inhibitor (RB) is dead according to sinani. If Jackal goes for Sandroba, it shouldn't be for this reason. In fact, he shouldn't go for sandroba at all, because that way scum will know exactly who he's going for. Or maybe he should go for sandroba because scum now think he won't go for him.
Or maybe Jackal is mafia.

chaos13's To Do List
1. Lynch Ace
2. Lynch bumatlarge
3. Survive the night
4. Lynch jcarlsoniv, Kenpachi, and Jackal if the game isn't over.

Last remaining scum are in those five names.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 06 2011 02:47 GMT
#845
On September 06 2011 11:44 GMarshal wrote:
/waves.

As a spectator I kindly request we cut the flaming. ^_^


Pretty much this. Everyone arguing with Ace can shut up now cause you've successfully gone nowhere after about five pages. Until you or he brings some new information or ideas to the discussion all you're doing is wasting time.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 06 2011 11:33 GMT
#886
Hey Ace, do you think both redFF and sinani are scum, or just red? Cause I have no trouble with leaving red dead. If he's mafia he stays out of the game and if he's town his role is now useless and there are better options for reviving. Hear that High Priest(s)? Stay away from red.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 06 2011 23:15 GMT
#949
WBG, your main argument about Jackal saying he can block blocks reminds me a lot of Ace's argument about the coroner only being able to check one person per day. I doubt iGrok would have gone through the trouble of making it expressly clear that Jackal could not roleblock roleblocks. If you want to disbelieve his claim, find another reason for it.

Like this one:

On September 06 2011 23:43 Jackal58 wrote:
As I also stated before I do not block town aligned actions.


A town roleblocker that doesn't block town actions seems rather imba to me. Almost as if a mafia is fake claiming. They can make sure that their team doesn't hit the claimed target, but this is a perfect reason for when a HP or some other role visits their claimed one and it goes through anyway.

On September 07 2011 02:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay iGrok just edited and added "unless otherwise specified". I'm fine with lynching ace today as long as we make sure jackal gets lynched tomorrow if the game does not end. Maybe ace is just being stuborn about his redFF + sinani scum team.

A question that no one has asked yet is why mafia used their minion shot on jackal. One possible explanation is that bum was minion so they had to use it on day1, so they couldn't take the risk of bum getting lynched and wasting their shot. But then why shoot jackal when their kills were sknowman/drazerk/jackal? Seriously who is less likely to be blue amongst those 3? Certainly not jackal. The explanation that makes the most sense would shoot the necro thus making 2 necros by today when jackal revived, in adition to creating confusion.

TL;DR jackal is likely scum instead of ace.


Instead of? No. With Ace? Probably. I hinted at this exact line of thought earlier, but wasn't going to bring it up until tomorrow to avoid the mayhem that's been brought up right now. Votes need to stay on bum and Ace right now imo, we can worry about jcarl, Kenpachi, and Jackal tomorrow.
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