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Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 13 2011 16:01 GMT
#24
If this starts after Werewolves then /in
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#26
ill /in anyway because werewolves is looking pretty small as it is and this isn't filling up fast if it does start in the middle i'm not busy for the next couple weeks i think i can keep up.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 14 2011 02:26 GMT
#30
/out
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 18 2011 02:27 GMT
#73
swedish mafia was over faster than i thought /in
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 14:39 GMT
#251
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 15:56 GMT
#262
On August 20 2011 00:30 Curu wrote:
Naw

Thanks for drawing Sevyrn out though.

So Sevyrn, because Palmar was a Townie in a completely different game, you decide to trust him and sheep his vote blindly?

His play was basicly them same in that game so I'm inclined to belive him do you have a better target?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 15:59 GMT
#264
I must be psychic because I saw that responce coming
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 16:07 GMT
#266
Nice stealth vote ray
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 18:06 GMT
#289
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



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On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

##Vote DropBear

and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 18:30 GMT
#297
On August 20 2011 03:15 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

[b]##Vote DropBe
and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Did you or
Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.


I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?

Did you or varp read my post I said it was a pressure vote I don't need to believe palmar to pressure vote to try and find out if he is right...
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 19 2011 18:41 GMT
#303
On August 20 2011 03:37 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 03:30 Sevryn wrote:
On August 20 2011 03:15 Erandorr wrote:
On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:
OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".

On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
you guys are fucking lazy and boring.

Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan.

Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time.

Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682

He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way.

SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?

I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.



On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:
On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?

##Vote DropBear


i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.

[b]##Vote DropBe
and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.

My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".

How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?

What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.



Did you or
Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.


I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?

Did you or varp read my post I said it was a pressure vote I don't need to believe palmar to pressure vote to try and find out if he is right...


Pressure vote means acting like you're going to actually lynch someone to see how they react, not say "IM PRESSURE VOTING X OLOLOLOL"

That was my whole point I didn't say it was a pressure vote untill after he responded and I took my vote off because palmar has a shitty case and I didn't want people to lynch me because they thought I was just bandwagoning
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#486
I have already stated why I made the posts that I did and my reasons for voting this will be my last defense post as I will be trying to do some analysis to help out you guys once i am lynched. so im going to go read the like 6-7 pages i missed and then i shall make another post with my vote.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 20:13 GMT
#487

Rayzorflash im calling you out.
Most of his posts before I become the lynch target are speculation on what mafia would or would not want and i view this is as slightly scummy.
Then he ninja votes on me and when called out
On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p

and then this last post
On August 21 2011 04:55 RayzorFlash wrote:
Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation.

Yes you do lose something you lose a townie when i flip green and going after the people who most aggressively tried to get me lynched is all WIFOM.


Also MIG just from his meta he has normally caught the entire scum team by now yet hes nowhere to be found.
##vote RayzorFlash
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 21:06 GMT
#500
On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:

Rayzorflash im calling you out.
Most of his posts before I become the lynch target are speculation on what mafia would or would not want and i view this is as slightly scummy.
Then he ninja votes on me and when called out
On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p



My stealth vote for you was what an actual pressure vote looks like. All of a sudden, the pressure on you made you get all defensive and even pull your vote off DropBear. I'd say it was quite successful in exposing scummy behavior.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:

Yes you do lose something you lose a townie when i flip green and going after the people who most aggressively tried to get me lynched is all WIFOM.


We lose a townie who has, for the entire first day contributed absolutely nothing towards discussion except a really scummy first accusation, and since then has just focused on defending himself? I don't think that's losing too much.
(OOC: What does WIFOM mean??)


Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote:

To be fair, I sort of agree with this. Kudos to Rayzor for pointing out supersoft's witchhunt but this statement was ridiculous. Mafia is unlikely to go so aggressively against a townie and by encouraging us to go after Sevryn's most vicious accusers in case he is innocent, he might secure another town lynch. Especially considering that Sevryn did get himself into a mess of his own... It's not like someone fabricated it all.

So, in case Sevryn turns out to be a townie after the lynch, Rayzor is a good lead, and if Sevryn is indeed mafia, Rayzor is probably clean.


Sure, I'll gladly take the fall if Sev proves to be green, but I don't think there was anything scummy at all about my post. I think it would be good leads to go after anyone aggressively pushing for Sev if he's green, and I know i'm included in that list :S.

Ah the age old argument of the guy who everyone is calling scum is defending himself "SUCH A SCUMMY MOVE"
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 22:15 GMT
#508
On August 21 2011 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 06:06 Sevryn wrote:
On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote:
On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:

Rayzorflash im calling you out.
Most of his posts before I become the lynch target are speculation on what mafia would or would not want and i view this is as slightly scummy.
Then he ninja votes on me and when called out
On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote:
Nice stealth vote ray


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p



My stealth vote for you was what an actual pressure vote looks like. All of a sudden, the pressure on you made you get all defensive and even pull your vote off DropBear. I'd say it was quite successful in exposing scummy behavior.

On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote:

Yes you do lose something you lose a townie when i flip green and going after the people who most aggressively tried to get me lynched is all WIFOM.


We lose a townie who has, for the entire first day contributed absolutely nothing towards discussion except a really scummy first accusation, and since then has just focused on defending himself? I don't think that's losing too much.
(OOC: What does WIFOM mean??)


On August 21 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote:

To be fair, I sort of agree with this. Kudos to Rayzor for pointing out supersoft's witchhunt but this statement was ridiculous. Mafia is unlikely to go so aggressively against a townie and by encouraging us to go after Sevryn's most vicious accusers in case he is innocent, he might secure another town lynch. Especially considering that Sevryn did get himself into a mess of his own... It's not like someone fabricated it all.

So, in case Sevryn turns out to be a townie after the lynch, Rayzor is a good lead, and if Sevryn is indeed mafia, Rayzor is probably clean.


Sure, I'll gladly take the fall if Sev proves to be green, but I don't think there was anything scummy at all about my post. I think it would be good leads to go after anyone aggressively pushing for Sev if he's green, and I know i'm included in that list :S.

Ah the age old argument of the guy who everyone is calling scum is defending himself "SUCH A SCUMMY MOVE"


Why don't you actually contribute something, then? Your posts and your activity makes sense from a mafia standpoint; for more than 24 hours you did absolutely nothing. Why didn't you contribute? If you had already defended yourself, why didn't you read posts and provide your opinion?

Why were you lurking? Trust me, there's time; if you can provide some reasonable defense for yourself and actually suggest things that will help town without appearing scummy (like you have appeared for the entirety of the day) then clearly it's in our best interest to lynch someone else. So far you haven't done a very good job of that, which paints you as red to me.

My vote stays on you as long as I believe you're mafia.

I went to work at 6pm yesterday and then went to bed and woke up at 4pm today. this is all est. I can't prove that i wasn't lurking but i wasn't since i can't prove it I decided not to explain why i wasnt here in my post seems kinda irrelevant.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 22:47 GMT
#514
On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote:
Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn?

I would
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 23:10 GMT
#527
On August 21 2011 08:02 xtfftc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 07:54 DropBear wrote:
On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote:
Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn?


Are these directed at me or not? I can't tell

To xtfftc, I'd rather lynch someone than noone. I would much rather kill hiro or chaoser over sevryn though.

It was directed at Palmar's post but it is a question everyone has to think about, even if we don't discuss it openly.

Is there a possibility to lynch anyone but Sevryn tonight? It doesn't matter who would you like to lynch tonight if it's impossible.

If the answer is negative, it all comes down to lynching Sevryn or lynching no one.

you seem really against not lynching me
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 23:52 GMT
#539
Okay all of chaosers play is posting about lynching lurkers and then one post with a vote on mig based purely on agreeing with foolishness without giving his own reasons i would support a chaoser lynch however I like Rayzor more atm
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 20 2011 23:56 GMT
#543
I just realized its really easy for scum to swap their votes to me last second saying "I wanna make sure someone gets lynched today over a no lynch" is there a way to combat scum hammering me like that?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:13 GMT
#547
On August 21 2011 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Damn it Sevryn, if you're actually town you're.... The reason I don't feel bad about keeping my vote on you is because I sincerely think you're scum, but the problem is half the town right now doesn't seem to have a clear target. We have a bunch of other players who are semiscummy too. We can get them in the next couple of days, I suppose.

So, you're going to ignore my request (and a couple others' after mine) to actually put forth a decent argument, are you? I suppose that means you're dead...

What argument is there though? I told you guys my reasons for making that first post. which seems to be everybody main reason for lynching me. I've tried to contribute my opinions really the only person i have to blame for me getting lynched is myself. I should have realized how scummy that first post would look and made a better case to pressure vote or just not try and pressure vote at all.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:16 GMT
#549
Okay for me not to get lynched we need like 13 people who are going to look at this thread. I would like everyone who isn't sure about be being scum to look back through the thread and decide for yourselfs without any bias as to whether or not im scum or just stupid play. then go look at rayzors playing and switch your votes to him if you see what i see. After that its a simple matter of if we dont get the votes to swap your votes back to me so that someone gets lynched. Palmar and others who are voting for people who have no chance to get lynched please look at rayzor or make your case now. we are fighting against a clock here people.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:17 GMT
#550
On August 21 2011 09:15 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 08:39 Curu wrote:
lol Sevyrn

I like nard and Rayzor as lynches. Nard and Rayzor are both trying to plan where to point the finger for DB/Sevyrn lynches:

On August 21 2011 04:55 RayzorFlash wrote:
Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation.


On August 19 2011 20:42 nard wrote:
regarding the early accusations: i see nothing yet which lets me believe we have a scum for certain. but i am damaged from last mini mafia: if dropbear ever dies and turns out to be not scum, Palmar is on my hit list :D



100% agree. We have jackal voting for Rayzor so far? I suspected nard before, but rayzor basically posts the same things.

@GM, sorry for the douche commentary, I just wanted to wake him up somehow...

Sorry you called me a douche i understand you wanting me to stand up for myself i was feeling pretty sad about getting lynched but we still have a chance for me to live so go look through the thread and vote.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:19 GMT
#552
Palmar
Barundar
nard
you guys are voting for BrownBear he is not going to die today so instead of abstaining find a better target or convince people to vote for him please.
Foolishness
chaoser
Mig is acting against his meta in that hes not being insanely active and already found half the scum team lets focus on him tomorrow today lets lynch some scum.
Navilus
chaos13
palmar created some good conversation and the thread wasnt just policy posts day one I think most people are getting a town read on him please find a better target.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:25 GMT
#556
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:32 GMT
#561
On August 21 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 09:25 Sevryn wrote:
all your doing is abstaining if you think im not scum then you need to vote for a viable lynch target other wise your just not voting and thats scummy.
palmar I should have played better dont blame yourself


I'm voting for the person I think is scum. I fail to see how that is scummy.

Because your basicly abstaining and your not trying to convince others to vote for palmar
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:36 GMT
#564
On August 21 2011 09:35 Curu wrote:
I'd be down for Rayzor instead. Why didn't you make any serious effort to defend yourself earlier Sevyrn? You were much more aggressive as Town in Kurumi's game.

We only have two hours though, how many people are here?

I really did go to work and then to sleep and then i was in the thread for a while and then i played some LOL i could write all about my day if you want
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 00:55 GMT
#572
On August 21 2011 09:52 Navillus wrote:
Dammit I've been busy, but Palmar's right Sev is not scum there was way too little kickback on this vote like 1 person defended him, I'll take a no-lynch over lynching a townie. Bleh I went to sleep at the wrong time ><

Any lynch is better than a no lynch unless its a confirmed townie or later in the game when it buys a better lylo situation.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:02 GMT
#575
cmon people stop being afk right before the daypost lets lynch some SCUM today
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:09 GMT
#583
switch back palmar buddy
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#585
how many more do we neeD?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#587
need like 4 more with palmar right?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:17 GMT
#592
They would prefer a townie gets lynched over a no lynch
it brings them closer and closer to winning the more town they dont have to kill
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:52 GMT
#630
Alright everyone thanks for trying go ahead and vote for me again please look at people who were not here because mafia most likely just sat back and hoped i would get lynched.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 01:59 GMT
#640
Well guys It was my fault for getting lynched the case on rayzor isnt really that strong please focus on people who didn't switch as im pretty sure at least the majority of the scum team is in that group. also vain lol
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 02:03 GMT
#644
LOL i wanna see the scum QT after this game while they watched me almost get saved
it will be twice as good if rayzor is scum
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 02:06 GMT
#647
Ohh man if i was scum that would have been a truly valiant effort
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 02:16:05
August 21 2011 02:11 GMT
#649
Good luck town!
sorry for getting dead
EDIT: does my life insurance let my kids go to college?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 21 2011 02:19 GMT
#654
you town better win then.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
September 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#2367
NO MY KIDS CANT GO TO COLLEGE CURSE YOU SCUM
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
September 08 2011 03:19 GMT
#2368
ok but for real Mig why did you hammer my lynch? was it to make rayzor look like scum when you flipped red?
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
September 09 2011 08:00 GMT
#2409
Can we get the mafia QT?
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