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On August 19 2011 10:46 GreYMisT wrote:EBWOP please replace the second quote in the above post with the following. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:12 xtfftc wrote:On August 19 2011 08:06 chaos13 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:03 xtfftc wrote:
Surely the Mafia is aware that open discussion is the ordinary citizens' strongest weapon and are thus likely to target those who are unafraid to speak their minds? A dictator always targets the means of communication: the media, the internet, etc. Yes. Does that mean we should all lurk? No. If everybody discusses in a productive way, mafia will have trouble blending in and providing the same level of constructive input, and suddenly those extremely pro-town players don't become such high profile targets, because everyone is joining in to an equal degree. I agree, of course. If the whole population takes part in the democracy process, the people become too powerful to be messed with. But it often takes just one ordinary citizen to show signs of cowardice - and suddenly we see a snowball effect affecting the whole town.
On August 19 2011 10:45 GreYMisT wrote:
But in the below post he contradicts himself by saying that if 1 person doesn't post, we all lose.
Snowball effect = one person deciding to do something and the others following. One person is not a problem unless the others follow suit.
I apologise if the way I expressed myself was a bit hard to understand but by twisting my words all you do is make me suspicious.
On August 19 2011 10:56 Navillus wrote:
Well then, xtfftc, same questions, what are your thoughts on lurkers, lynching them, using town KP on them, and making a list?
I already explained my position on lurkers and their effect on the game. Asking me to repeat myself is generating spam - and we all know who benefits from spam.
As for lynching/using town KP on them is fine as long as we don't have better leads. Making a lurkers list is good as long as we don't set some arbitrary posting criteria. However, the active players appear to be unimpressed by your overzealousness and I don't think that they will allow your views on it to influence voting too much, so I'm fine with the idea.
And something unrelated - it would help the game a lot if we start every name with a capital letter; it makes reading page after page much easier. So Xtfftc instead of xtfftc, etc. I don't expect everyone to start doing it but just consider it, please.
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On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear
i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people.
Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad.
##Vote DropBear
and before anyone jumps on me like:
"wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.
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hey guys, your pressure won't work if you say that it's pressure.
just sayin. When you vote, vote for scum. Vote with the intention of lynching whoever you're voting for. Don't just mindlessly vote for people for "pressure," and if you are, for the love of god don't tell the person that you're voting for that it's pressure.
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lol
It's not pressure, I already told you
DB is scum.
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On August 19 2011 18:34 Varpulis wrote:
hey guys, your pressure won't work if you say that it's pressure.
just sayin. When you vote, vote for scum. Vote with the intention of lynching whoever you're voting for. Don't just mindlessly vote for people for "pressure," and if you are, for the love of god don't tell the person that you're voting for that it's pressure.
okay well, it's not exactly pressure what i wanted to achieve, i think it's more like get this game going.
but you're right. Maybe it's not good to explain everything you do.
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Okay good morning guys.
So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-)
Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this.
Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot.
You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia.
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D
Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR
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On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Okay good morning guys.
So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-)
Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this.
Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot.
You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia.
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D
Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR
pff. you're just pissed that i put you on my list.
i nevery denyed that i bandwagoned. But in my opinion a bandwagon is not a bad thing as long as people keep following the action.
I also said something about summary posts. They are useless. And I didn't vote for you, so I don't understand what you mean by: "you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now" I didn't vote for you.... thus far.
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On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
why so defensive bro?
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lol guys, DB is obvious scum.
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On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
why so defensive bro?
Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.
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On August 19 2011 19:16 Palmar wrote:
lol guys, DB is obvious scum.
could you give me a reason to believe you?
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On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
why so defensive bro? Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts.
yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us.
Who made this long post? DB or me?
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On August 19 2011 19:29 Varpulis wrote:could you give me a reason to believe you?
press filter and read his posts.
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On August 19 2011 19:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 19:29 Varpulis wrote:On August 19 2011 19:16 Palmar wrote:
lol guys, DB is obvious scum. could you give me a reason to believe you? press filter and read his posts.
no better and no worse than about half the posts in this game. I don't have a problem with anything he said.
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On August 19 2011 19:30 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:On August 19 2011 19:08 Varpulis wrote:On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so?
why so defensive bro? Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts. yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us. Who made this long post? DB or me?
Okay I try to formulate what I want to say a bit differently. You seem to be the kind of player that is may be a bit too agressive , at least from my point of view. You really have not said much at all, and what came out was basicly giving your whole thought process to everyone and accusing (although I agree on the target to a degree) after Palmar is giving his one liners that I will just regard as trolling as long as he doesnt back it up in some way. And that whole " I will hunt down the scum " thing you wrote seemed to be you trying a bit too hard, to be honest
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On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote:
Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book).
I also noted, that you defend DB here. That's very kind of you.
Now I explain, why DB is a better target than the guys from my lurkerlist:
Lurkers lurk, if you accuse them, they just won't show up until some other guy gets under fire. So accusing the lurkers is useless to get some real discussion going. By real discussion I don't mean these useless policy posts.
If we don't found a proper target for our lynch at the end of the day among the people who don't lurk,
we always have to opportunity to lynch a lurker instead - if he doesn't get modkilled anyways.
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we already found a proper target!
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On August 19 2011 19:51 Palmar wrote:
we already found a proper target!
we found two. it's DB and his scumbuddy errandorr
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lol
ok let's hang DB first.
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:D
1st. Do you know what time it is anywhere instead Europe right now? People might be sleeping still ( just a thought)
2nd I agreed already that he would make a good target. (If you would read what I say instead on twisting my words so it fits your rampage way of thinking)
3rd. Sorry that I am not as bloodthirsty and try to use "reason" and "logic" You are super defensive just because I have a different point of view then you. I did not defend DB , I disagreed with you, which in your book means "kill hiiim".
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