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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 14 2012 09:52 GMT
#959
Hi!
Reading the thread now.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 14 2012 19:00 GMT
#1121
Done catching up with the thread. So far:

-mandatory electionposts by various people.
-people wanting to hang certain veterans just because they are veterans
-30 pages on BC's mason claim.
-people posting screenshots

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 16 2012 19:05 GMT
#1809
On January 17 2012 02:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Furthermore, exactly how much do you think lynching Sandroba will really tell us about BC's alignment?


At this point, a lot. I'd bet my ass that if sandro is town, BC is scum


How so? I think his masonclaim plan was bad.
But i don't see how Sandro flipping scum/town has any impact on the allignment of BC at this moment?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 17 2012 10:06 GMT
#2131
On January 17 2012 16:16 Jayjay54 wrote:
Where did VE claim a hit?


Nowhere? I think he ment to write that Kita claimed the hit.

@ BC: Unless you can prove that you mason'd up with more then 1 for more then 2 days, you are on the list of hanging high.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 17 2012 20:30 GMT
#2219
BC back to share who he mason'd with yet? Or gonna try and avoid that request?
If Mapco is getting modkilled i will ##vote: Chaosquo
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#2232
On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now I remember why I hate large games...


Don't join then? :O

On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:

Must kill:

Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge

Should probably kill:

Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium

Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.



You just listed 10 people without ANY case in the post and we allready flipped one scummy bastard. So after these 11, you would continue lynching random lurkers?

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#2234
On January 18 2012 05:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why do you fucks CARE who BC masoned with? Are you scared? It's not like he's gonna get manipulated in PM land - he's the goddamn Batman in PM land.


I care cause he claims to be a mason.
I want to know if he can keep the mason shit up or he turns out to be a jack and lied.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 17 2012 23:16 GMT
#2295
On January 18 2012 03:27 sandroba wrote:
Although I'm not entirely convinced that macpo is sure mafia due to sheer terribleness of his insane rambling, we still have to get rid of him at some point due to the amount of players suspicious of him. This talk about no opposition to his lynch is in no way indicative of him being innocent. Mafia is not likely to openly oppose a lynch that has so much support and so far only 28 out of 44 voters have cast their votes. Still I feel way more confident lynching GGQ or L. Double lynch needs at least 9 more votes to go through and I'd really like to get at least one red killed today.


Seems to me you know Mapco is a townie....

##Vote: Double Lynch
##Vote: Sandroba
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 19 2012 09:30 GMT
#2633
On January 13 2012 20:16 kingjames01 wrote:
After some consideration, I think it might be best for the Bodyguards to be made public. The Town will fall behind quickly if the mafia take both Bodyguard roles and the elected roles are killed without divulging the names of the Bodyguards.

Here's my analysis on this:
Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard
As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well.

Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard
If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing.

Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard
Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia.



Went through your filter Kingjames and found this interesting.
Now that the election is long over, how do you feel about this post(which you posted prior to the election).
Still think BG's should claim?

On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote:
I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely.


Vocal meaning?

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 20 2012 10:45 GMT
#2853
On January 20 2012 18:14 Bill Murray wrote:
I am going to be reading after GSL, and I live in the Eastern time zone. This should prove to you all how much I want the Teamliquid town to improve. It takes individual growth for us to grow as a team.


BM... are you on drugs cause your posts are all over the place man....
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 20 2012 12:31 GMT
#2859
On January 20 2012 21:26 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 19:45 Cwave wrote:
On January 20 2012 18:14 Bill Murray wrote:
I am going to be reading after GSL, and I live in the Eastern time zone. This should prove to you all how much I want the Teamliquid town to improve. It takes individual growth for us to grow as a team.


BM... are you on drugs cause your posts are all over the place man....

Yeah dude, you caught me, good job; i'm totally wasted

I've caught up on the thread, but it's 7 in the morning, so I need to go to bed. My reads have somewhat changed - I don't suspect BC nearly as much anymore; I feel like Protactinium was the mafia candidate, but they didn't expect the late votes for me/BC.

I didn't even expect to be in office. If you all put me in office, I don't see why you're lynching me now that I had two people mason me yesterday. I stopped reading actively when I got masoned, because if anything I thought it would confirm me, and I asked Jitsu to try to confirm my towniness, but I guess he has his own agenda.


:O Your towniness? Did you really just slip hardcore????

You gave me the names of the BG's when i didn't even ask for them. I thought it was a move of you to indeed keep them safe if you get lynched. But your current behaviour and the way BC is treating certain people is just too fucking weird.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 20 2012 13:28 GMT
#2864
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.


I didn't ask for them and he just gave them. I've looked on mafiawiki's to see if it's ever EVER a good idea to announce the BG's. It's never unless one of the bg's is going all lol-anti-town. At the time that he gave them, it wasn't the case.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 20 2012 15:16 GMT
#2872
Friday night approaches. Voting BM due to crazyposting, giving up multiple times and BG disclosure.
##Vote: Bill Murray
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 20 2012 16:45 GMT
#2877
On January 21 2012 01:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
nice vote without explaining it glurio. Get the hell in here and explain your vote.


Mhhh, i got you down as fishy with the whole Kingjames01 dance but you have a point.

What the hell Glurio, a grandtotal of 2 posts with ZERO content -.-? And with zero, i mean zero.

You posted on
January 15 2012 02:56
January 16 2012 23:27


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68375
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 21 2012 23:40 GMT
#3387
If a bodyguard is killed, will it show that he was a bodyguard?

If this is the case, BM lied to me in the pm's.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 22 2012 11:07 GMT
#3540
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#3592
On January 23 2012 02:13 p4NDemik wrote:
I appreciate the criticism hiro, it is noted and I hope I am less of this going forward. If my attitude is really clouding my analysis and scaring town at this point that is a major problem.

I would like to know more about our diverging reads though, please tell me more. You are DT, your word carries more weight than many of our unconfirmed roles out there, and certainly more than a lurker or otherwise suspicious player.

@Jitsu your post confuses me even more now. Hold on a sec we need to know why we are misreading Cwave's post:

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?

I'm going to removed the acronyms and replace them with the names of the players and roles they are referring to. They are very similar and may cause confusion to show how we could have misinterpreted his post. I'll also correct a small typo just because I'm a little bit ocd like that

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that (Bill Murray) at least provided the same two names as (bodyguard)s to us. With that, we also saw (BloodyC0bbler) list one of the bodyguards as scum that (Bill Murray) provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bodyguards as scum?

He is now saying BM did not give out fake names. You are now disagreeing with him but saying that your posts concur. This makes no sense.


No i think you misunderstand. We got given the same two names from BillMurray. That doesn't mean they are the real two bodyguards or that they are scum/town. Just the same. So either BillMurray lied and gave us two wrong names, or BC doesn't even remember who he has deemed scum.
Either way, someone has lied.

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 11:53 GMT
#3738
On January 23 2012 17:56 Bill Murray wrote:
BC + OpZ both look bad for the d1 action with sandroba
I'm completely fine lynching there, he's on my scumlist

I'm going to retract my mad hatter claim. I should have already done it, but I don't want to go out as a liar, even if I have lied this game, so I want to come clean.

I only did it because to me, I was protecting a pro-town power role.
I have 2 jailkeeps left that I can use to lower mafia KP
Mafia wanted the 3 votes, they didn't want a crummy jailkeeper ability when they have a jack, mason, framer, and roleblocker
Mafia wanted the Politician. They wanted the Floridian. Do you guys want a recount?
I don't.


Amazing....
Bill Murray, where the two names you gave me those of the real BG's? Or was that a lie aswell?

##Vote: Double Lynch
##Vote: Bill Murray
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 11:56 GMT
#3741
Answer me please BM... did you lie or not after i mason'd you?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 12:52 GMT
#3747
On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm a doctor
I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness
say goodbye to your protection folks
I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched
adios


Answer me, you madman.... did you lie about the BG's?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 14:05 GMT
#3754
On January 23 2012 22:55 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 21:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
On January 23 2012 20:55 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm a doctor
I haven't used a jailkeep the last 2 nights because I have been truly protecting Foolishness
say goodbye to your protection folks
I wouldnt normally ever claim doctor, but I feel like Im really going to be lynched
adios

a) you can do both, protect and jail
b) why didnt you claim medic in the first place?
.
This is your last day here sheriff. Pack your stuff and get out

are you joking?
I could have been saving, and trying to snipe mafia PRs?
I am glad that I have saved 2 jailkeeps, then, I can keep 2 confirmed town alive in late game
why the hell are you all lynching me?!


Cause your play is hurting the town? You also lied multiple times.
And you are still ignoring my question concerning the bodyguards...... why?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 14:21 GMT
#3760
On January 23 2012 23:07 supersoft wrote:
how is lying hurting the town?
i hate these general rules that don't fit to the individual case!

go cwawe, tell me how his lying hurted the town?


A lying sherrif is hurting the town in my opinion.
He has no reason to lie to save him from getting shot by scum during the night for example. Claiming hatter, missing jailactions, it's just shit play!

If he lied to me about the bodyguards and i see BC list one of those alleged bodyguards as scum, i draw conclusion that either BC or that BG is potential scum. If it then turns out to be a lie, it's a waste of damn effort and draws the focus away from actual usefull scumhunting.

And he is still ignoring my question if he ALSO lied about those bodyguards.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 14:32 GMT
#3763
On January 23 2012 23:25 supersoft wrote:
A townie has no interest in knowing the identity of the BGs right?
Am I wrong there? Why do you even ask BM about them?


I didn't ask for them. I pm'd flamewheel i would like to mason with our newly elected sheriff. I waited for a confirmation of the action(which isn't needed i learned) and then Bill Murray just instantly gave me the two names. Jitsu did ask for the names though it seems.

So that's weird for a sherrif to do in the first place.

This is what Bill Murray pm'd with me . I asterixed the bodyguard names he posted to me in there.

+ Show Spoiler +

From: Bill Murray [ 4885 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: mason
Date: 1/17/12 21:39
I am worried one of them is the mafia jack
I don't see how I can be confirmed, unless my jailkeeping can lower their KP, or I save someone from being killed
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Message From Cwave:
How do you propose we get this show on the road so i can 100% confirm you as fellow town?
I can mason Opz i guess and check your bg list.
Or mason BC and see how he reacts.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hide nested quote -

Original Message From Bill Murray:
The fact you didn't write me a message when you masoned me has me thinking you're pretty clear
In case I am killed, the bodyguards are ****** and *******
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 14:46 GMT
#3766
On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote:
jitsu asked?
BM, i want all your pm traffic.
censor the bg names please.


If you get him to come out of his acid trip, try asking him if the bodyguard names were a lie or not.
This in relation to BloodyCobbler listing one of these names as scum.


I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 16:24 GMT
#3779
On January 24 2012 01:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:
On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone.

Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to.

yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this:
brownbear
kitaman
BC
donzo


Well that's that then......
Sent in the kills? Wot??!?!!??!
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 16:32 GMT
#3787
On January 24 2012 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
cwave, im ignoring you, quit asking
you know who they are, go read our mafia IRC together

1) Medic protection on BGs
2) ???
3) Profit!


You just outed the two names you gave to me as bodyguards.
Why would you ignore me, what would then result in?

We never spoke on any irc? Just shorts pm's after i mason'd you.
Why are you lying again.... -.-
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 18:47 GMT
#3818
Since Bill Murray went loco and "outed"the names he pm'd to me i will ask this to BloodyCobbler one last time.
Bill Murray "outs" Brownbear as a BG. This is also one of the same names Bill Murray gave to me and Jitsu.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 24 2012 01:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 00:53 Nisani201 wrote:
On January 23 2012 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have substituted both bodyguards, and killed BC
Is BC dead? No. Because I can't kill anyone.

Erm, what? BC is mayor. You couldn't kill him even if you wanted to.

yeah, but i could if i sent in the kills like this:
brownbear
kitaman
BC
donzo


Before, BloodyCobbler assures that Bill Murray gave false names which directs the heat away.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote:
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.



based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them


But here you list him as lynchtarget.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 22 2012 04:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:
oh also I'd like to hear some names from you BC. Just shout out who you want to lynch BC right now. preferable after the night-/day switch as well.


currently based on reading via filter.

BM, WBG, and Meapak in that order of preference.

After that insert Glurio, Evantrees, Munk-e, opz, kenpachi, brownbear.

As there are 6 mafia left, some of those are obviously at this point not correct, but they all seem intelligent choices based on the play of each one of the.


Does not compute. Is Bill Murray really a pathological liar and can i just straight out ignore him for now on and for all of eternity?
Or did you infact list one of the bodyguards on your own lynch-list?
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 22:16 GMT
#3874
On January 24 2012 07:13 Toadesstern wrote:
fine, add cwawe to the list as well, doesn't change a thing


cwaVe... im a wave... in the sea.... damn you people :\
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 22:19 GMT
#3876
On January 24 2012 07:14 BrownBear wrote:
I should clarify. BM has outed me as a "bodyguard", and in the interest of not lying to town and hopefully cutting a little bit of the craziness out of this mess BM's created, I've decided to tell the truth - I am in fact a BG. I was hesitant at first for obvious reasons, but this is going to get talked to death over the course of the day and waste valuable time, and I just want what I can control to be cleared up, so I'm not "guilty by association" if BM happens to flip red.

That is all.


Well then BloodyCobbler has lied about not listing one of his bodyguards!
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 22:23 GMT
#3878
On January 24 2012 07:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio

I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.

Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.

I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC.



Do you think I faked logs day 1?
Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?
Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself?

Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious.

If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him?

You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases.


Hello mafia jack!!!
If you "were" a mason"?
You ARE a mason or so you claimed............!

##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 23 2012 23:18 GMT
#3901
On January 24 2012 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
really? I'm already a proven fucking mason dickweed. -_- I've masoned protract, roba, foolishness and meapak. thats 4 uses. So you could argue I am red and that 3 of those people are red as well as a jack cannot use the same ability twice. So what is it?

Meapak myself and foolishness all red to support your theory.

Also, your trying to make a case of me using the past context of a word. I was a mason then, I am a mason now, I will continue being a mason in the future.

Why the hell are you guys making cases off of grammar when you're not doing event doing it properly?


Funny that you list Sandroba(your first mason "target") as your second.
Show me Meapak logs please right now and ill reconsider my vote.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 24 2012 08:26 GMT
#4312
Dear lord, gg.

I was so convinced that Bloodycobbler was scum, hahahaha.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
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