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On January 22 2012 13:33 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 13:22 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2012 13:19 p4NDemik wrote:
Jackal the important thing is why is BC attacking me just now I actually just helped him a bit. Because he gets a tad arrogant? Fair enough if you want to read it that way but that's not how I see it. I feel like I've done enough and I've presented myself in such a way that I am playing very much with town's interestes in mind. I have been very active and very town. He's been careful not to push very hard that I am mafia up until this point in time because I have been very pro-town and a case against me would be very difficult to make. Now. He presents Protact's agenda on top of his casket and tells us to follow our brave leader despite him being dead and not being able to give us actual guidance. He does this to rally support behind an initiative that isn't mine and that wouldn't spell his demise obviously. Now, what I did was clarify a small mistake in Toadesstern's analysis of Protact's list. But I quickly followed that up with the point that the fact you were on that list is not Protact's fault and should not take away from the merit of the list. I did not detract from the merit of Protact's list. All I did was clarify a small error. But BC is mad and hinting I'm mafia. Which is absurd. I think we saw a brief moment of BC's real emotions slipping out folks.
don't worry, when I think your mafia and being dumb i will clarify for you. I have yet to say "hey guys, lets lynch this red" so stop trying to defend a case that doesn't exist.
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ebwop,
don't worry, when I think your mafia and not just being dumb i will clarify for you. I have yet to say "hey guys, lets lynch this red" so stop trying to defend a case that doesn't exist.
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uh jackal, isn't that chatlog from a previous mafia game?
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On January 22 2012 13:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 13:46 p4NDemik wrote:
You weren't duped at all. You never believed him. This is actually a very good point. I can't think of anyone with half a brain who would've actually believed BM's claim in the way that he made it. Problem I have right now is that BM very well could just be super bad town. I'm so torn it's annoying. I just want to kill him now, since he can't say "oh well I have a bomb on Protact! herp derp"
so that means that 3 people who first unvoted are all either red or horribad right? Since it was done based on his claim and all.
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On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate
are you saying you put a bomb on ggq?
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On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote.
I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie.
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On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate
This is why I think he said he had a bomb on ggq? its weirdly formatted but it clearly suggests theres a bomb in play.
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nm, apparently you can move and place bombs, missed someone asking it earlier >.>
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On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote:
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.
based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them
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On January 22 2012 23:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 23:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote:
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.
based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them Have either turned up dead? Or do you not know the names BM passed off?
i would hazard a guess that the ones he gave are two names he outed in the post he outed who mason'd him? was one of his goodbye posts. However as i have not talked to jitsu or cwave i cannot be sure. I just know based on cwaves statment the names he was given was not accurate
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On January 23 2012 11:06 p4NDemik wrote:
need I also point out BC has not gone to his chat logs as a defense? that is one of the strongest bargaining chips he has but he has not emphasized them at all. He has let other people make those assertions for him. If you are using this as a reason to hold you back from voting for him please think: "Isn't it shady he isn't putting more focus on those logs? Shouldn't he be reinforcing and bolstering those assumptions that other town have made?"
My actions speak for themselves. If people want to lynch me for them I get lynched. Spending too much time defending myself and not enough time reading the thread and trying to sort my reads properly has been a massive issue this game. Also. trying to cast doubt on me because im not frequently pointing at things I have done this game as "defense" is a terrible move and screams desperation. People can read those logs and come to their own conclusion or ask questions for clarification. Me spending time to walk you all through them is pointless and serves no purpose this game aside from waste time.
How about today, you do what I have had to do, which is step back and take a deep breathe. Once you've calmed down, re enter the thread and rather than out and out tunneling someone, begin reading the thread again. Its a long process I am aware but god knows tunneling on one target does not help anyone. You have pushed me and pushed me hard. Yet thats more or less all you have done is super push on me. Stop tunneling and look at the game either more objectively or realize your case for the day has been made and move onto analyzing new people. Spending all your time in one spot helps no one. Even I have made that mistake this game.
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Opz, you voted for a confirmed red for mayor, confirmed blue for lynch and a no show for yesterday -_- No offense but I don't trust your reads.
Last thing I am going to say before I wander off to bed, be back when i wakeup.
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On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote:
With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote.
BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe.
what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to.
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On January 24 2012 04:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote:
With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote.
BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe. what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. If we are both alive at the beginning of the next day cycle would you mason me?
i can do that yea.
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On January 24 2012 05:17 glurio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote:
With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote.
BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe. what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. I'll make a post later this evening before i go to sleep, got some things to attend to right now.
how hard is it to commit a few reads. Whos scum, whos not?
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On January 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote:
could someone tell me who claimed mason and link it if I missed it?
I know bc claimed mason
I know opz claimed mason
I know jitsu claimed mason
I know supersoft claimed mason
am I missing someone?
All claims of masons in game that i remember.
BC
Opz
Mattchew(dead)
Supersoft
Glurio
Cwave
Jitsu
Scamp flipped mason but never claimed to my knowledge in thread.
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On January 24 2012 07:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:My bad, Glurio wasn't the one who slipped, it was someone who got replaced, I'll have to go find out who. Also, scum doesn't necessarily have all their roles, from the OP: Show nested quote +You also must choose the Godfather, Roleblocker, Jack, and/or Framer from among yourselves. These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers. Given that only the gf and an extremely suspicious dt have claimed rb'd I think it's highly likely there isn't a dt.
 id say its highly likely there isn't a rber personally.
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On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC.
Do you think I faked logs day 1?
Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?
Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself?
Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious.
If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him?
You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases.
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On January 24 2012 07:19 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:14 BrownBear wrote:
I should clarify. BM has outed me as a "bodyguard", and in the interest of not lying to town and hopefully cutting a little bit of the craziness out of this mess BM's created, I've decided to tell the truth - I am in fact a BG. I was hesitant at first for obvious reasons, but this is going to get talked to death over the course of the day and waste valuable time, and I just want what I can control to be cleared up, so I'm not "guilty by association" if BM happens to flip red.
That is all. Well then BloodyCobbler has lied about not listing one of his bodyguards!
incorrect. I said he did not provide you with the correct names. See thats a plural there. I never said he didn't give out a correct name. I said correct names. It is a subtle thing I am aware.
If you notice, I've listed both of my bgs as potential reds, why? Because neither has posted fuck all this game and both look terrible.
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. Do you think I faked logs day 1? Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself? Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious. If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him? You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases. Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler
really? I'm already a proven fucking mason dickweed. -_- I've masoned protract, roba, foolishness and meapak. thats 4 uses. So you could argue I am red and that 3 of those people are red as well as a jack cannot use the same ability twice. So what is it?
Meapak myself and foolishness all red to support your theory.
Also, your trying to make a case of me using the past context of a word. I was a mason then, I am a mason now, I will continue being a mason in the future.
Why the hell are you guys making cases off of grammar when you're not doing event doing it properly?
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