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On January 21 2012 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
BM what are your thoughts on WBG? What about BC?
WBG I am leaning town on. However, when I caught up on the thread, I saw something around him I didn't like. When he was
talking to supersoft, revolving around the GGQ/L shit, I feel like 2 of them are probably mafia. It was a fishy situation.
BC has been the most contributing person in the thread so far, and I don't want to lose that, if he's town. If Protactinium would have bussed Ciryandor d1, would we be where we're at?
On January 21 2012 07:50 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree with KingJames
The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today.
I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role.
However, I actually HAVE another role.
I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff Questions to masons: Did BM ever claim or talk about mad hatter to you guys? BM, you make it sound like you had to choose between abilities each night. Is that the case?
Why would I claim hatter when I didn't have 2 bombs out? You can say "oh, you already did that", but when I'm a serious mislynch, I have to claim my role. There is no way I would have claimed my role to those masons. The only reason I claimed the BGs was in case me/BC both died, or just me? I'm not really sure how it would work - because mafia substituted them
I assumed I had to choose. I had a red or blue read on Lanaia, hence why she was a scum read d1 and isn't now.
On January 21 2012 07:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah, and who was #3 on my list? Risk.nuke.
The guy who started tunneling me for no reason after my list? Yep. If you had a list then, is it maintained? E.g, is there a 'latest version' so we can see where you're at?
No, only in my head, but I can rectify that
On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me.
Go ahead. You're wrong, though. Either BC or Protactinium is mafia, 100%, book it, one is fooling the other.
Incognito is better at blending in than BC. Incognito is Protactinium, by the way. If you've noticed, reading my filter, I have grilled BC a few times. I didn't really get much out of it, but his actions up until now have seemed sooo protown. He has made huge walls, and has been a very good mayor. I want him to be town. I hope I'm not just being naive.
I also hope I'm not being naive in that you guys aren't going to lynch me after I put forth all the effort reading 40 pages of text walls last night, but if you do, I guess I should improve my town game. It wouldn't be the first game I've been mislynched as town on Teamliquid.
Speaking of that, a little WIFOM for you - I am always lynched as town, and not ever as mafia
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I guess I have to switch to kingjames, after I counted up all the votes
im at 12 and he's at 11 i think, but if GGQ gets 3 or 4 more votes, or votes start coming off of me, I'd rather lynch GGQ than kingjames
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@vaderseven im lovin u right now
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tonight I'm going to move my bomb to risk.nuke, since you all don't like it being on my top suspect
would you all be adverse to me putting my 2nd bomb out first? I'd rather have a bomb on incog and a bomb on risk.nuke, before I think about moving my bomb off incog, to keep my utility
The reason I claimed 1 bomb now is because I can move my 2nd bomb out tonight
If you all want me to move my 1 bomb tonight, I can't maximize having both bombs out tonight. What if I'm roleblocked? This is all a bunch of shit. I don't see why I had to be pressured today, this really hurt our play TREMENDOUSLY.
I was thinking about the Risk.Nuke situation when I was showering, and he really sucks. OMGUS all over the place, considering his tunneling started after I put him as #3 on my scumspects list. He's defending scummy Sandroba now? He can hang next.
I would either put my 2nd bomb or move my bomb on GGQQ, but it seems like he's going to get lynched, and I don't want to lose it.
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On January 21 2012 11:53 Munk-E wrote:So, this time, I'm going to vote for sandroba, and bill murray. Here's why BM Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:02 Bill Murray wrote:
GG scum
we lynch Protactinium and BC tomorrow and we are guaranteed 1 scum, bringing their KP down starting after my last analysis of him, we have this post. not much analysis here, I just think it's pretty funny. yeah, and "not much analysis here" is analysis?It's a point that he keeps asserting that one of the candidates had to be scum, but he never mentions that it's actually him. He's just getting greedy trying to get them both lynched. it's 50/50Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff good to know, And I agree with you, you HAVE failed us. ok? how. Information instead of analysis is all i'm seeing from you so far, and you using ad hominem that is unfoundedShow nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:20 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry to spam, guys, but my GF is here so I won't be able to be back on any more tonight
I wish you all the best if you lynch me, GG, and I hope you all lynch the right one between BC and Protactinium, unless mafia didn't run for election, and something weird is going on like Foolishness pushing on the best scumhunters at random intervals like I did in Hesmyrr's mini theme. again, he seems convinced here that he's going to die, and doesn't mind it. The situation doesn't look good for mafia, and he's very resigned in his posting after last night when GF died, and only 2 mafia shots hit. i dont mind it because it's 50% that incognito and mystlord's slot is mafiaShow nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree with KingJames
The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today.
I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role.
However, I actually HAVE another role.
I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow. This is just sad. He's so desperate, he doesn't know what to do. It took him this long to think of an idea that might not get him lynched, and just said it. No crumbing or anything. Pleading isn't going to make me believe, especially after his previous posts when he was so resigned. How am I "desperate"? Why do you think I ran after Foolishness pushed me? I wouldn't have as a townie, because I'd want to blend in until late game. Mad Hatters don't last all game. I'm sure we'll eliminate a couple mafia with my bombs.Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff As stated before, protac seems like the most town to me, and even BM says he thinks BC is scum, so even if he is hatter (which he's not) He's not trying to kill scum, he's doing the most scummy thing imaginable: he's taking hostages so we don't lynch him. Well no he's not, there's no way he's actually a hatter, he just saw a chance at surviving and is taking it. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 18:14 Bill Murray wrote:
I am going to be reading after GSL, and I live in the Eastern time zone. This should prove to you all how much I want the Teamliquid town to improve. It takes individual growth for us to grow as a team. I'm not 100% sure what to make of this... Aparently, GSL fan = townie? Somehow, I imagine that the mafia can be a fan of StarCraft 2 also... Or is he claiming he's town because he plans on eventually reading the thread? Does that help his individual growth? I'm probably looking into this too much, and he was just drunk or something, but it genuinely confuses me what he meant. Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:17 Bill Murray wrote:
First off, I'm going to throw out a disclaimer that self meta is generally worthless. However, I am the king of self meta, for what it is worth. As the mafia GF, when Incognito (he is playing on the name Protactinium) was on my team, I really slipped into obscurity, but I was actually VERY active out of the thread. It's the same when I was an assassin and killed BloodyC0bbler as he killed me, causing no assassins to win whatsoever, and I was out of the thread entirely. I have been posting in the thread on d2 and d3, though. When I'm mafia, if I'm going into lurking mode, I post way less frequently than I'm posting - sorry for the WIFOM - but it's true.
I know people change, trust me on that, but how can we grow as a town unless you all let me help you? I have not one, but TWO abilities for the town, and you all are thinking of canning me? Why'd you elect me?
I'll tell you why I don't want to lynch kingjames. The game I was looking into the other day where he was endgamed and Jackal was scum is very similar to this one, and he was a townie in that one. I know this is a big topic, but changing styles from game to game is very easy, especially when you define posting style as how often you post. I'm guessing this has been discussed tons of times before, but especially in this case, where he's pointing out the difference. Also, I'm confused as to why he's voting kingjames if he keeps saying he's town. Then he has a bunch of posts about his plans as hatter. It really is convienent, It's a roly that makes him sound not worthless, yet is inconfirmable be everyone. Kudos to him for thinking of it, and shame on anyone for believing it. Doing sandroba next.
I can't even find where he said anything
all i'm seeing are one liners from munk
with his IIoA he's got my FoS for this
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pandemik i am showing someone using IIOA late in the voting
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information instead of analysis + he's just namecalling as opposed to actually presenting a case in the proper light
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It's a pretty quick read, and I know, it was clutch of me to stay alive
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I don't really have any ego over this game, actually, I've played pretty poorly. I am going to step it up over the next 72 hours. My night actions are usually good, I promise this won't be like PYP where I got first pick, and blew it.
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I've used night actions both nights
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I jailkeeped lanaia and I put a bomb on mystlord
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yeah, I put a bomb out, can I do both?
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On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me.
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I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.
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well I know I'll get 1 more night action with the BGs alive
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yeah lynch me when i was all over sandroba, and didnt want to lynch kingjames
sandroba flipping red makes you look terrible
foolishness's list is a joke, I am seriously doubting both of your abilities to lead the town right now, so I'm going to have to take over the reigns, gentlemen.
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CC there have been no inconsistencies. I wouldn't have used 2 jailkeeps in the first 2 nights anyways, because I only get 3 all game. I didnt want to have to claim hatter at all.
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