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wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 00:00 GMT

#1907

Writing. Stumbled across this:

On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote:

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aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall.

Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town.

what is that supposed to mean?

You would lynch him, but he might flip town?

Are you saying you would lynch him despite the fact that there's a non-negligible chance he might flip town? AKA you're willing to lynch someone who you are not confident about? Either that, or you're just stating the obvious.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 00:02 GMT

#1911

sandro, why did you go from "I don't want to lynch any of those guys" to immediately wanting Palmar dead less than five minutes later? (in your PMs with BC)

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 00:04 GMT

#1912

On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person?

I omit pronouns sometimes, but I'm not speaking in the third person...how does that make me suspicious, exactly?

I'm not saying "wherebugsgo thinks x..." that just sounds retarded. Even the post that preceded your question had something in first person:

On January 17 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access.

and again, how does this matter in finding scum, exactly?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 00:34 GMT

#1922

On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote:
People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man.

You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange.

I've never spoken in third person?

I've omitted pronouns, but again, that's not speaking in third person. When I'm on my phone I sometimes omit pronouns to type faster.

On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say!

Proof?

Just insert an "I" if there's a missing pronoun. I'm not narrating anything, I'm just lazy.

ex. "stumbled across X" vs "I stumbled across X" vs "wbg stumbled across x"

semantically, the first one has no subject (therefore no perspective), the second has the first person perspective, and the third has the third person perspective. I was using the first. That's just laziness, not strange.

Anyway I have no idea why I'm still talking about this lol. It's so pointless.

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I just lost a bunch of text cause I'm a retard. But, I'll summarize what I had as quickly as possible.

One thing that's confusing me about the Ciryandor flip is the way he interacted with other players day 1. At no point did I see he supported electing BM in thread, but he put his vote on BM anyway. He says later, when confronted about this, that he did it to prevent BC from being elected.

IMO, this furthers the notion that BM is either mafia or mafia wanted him in office and that Protac is mafia as well, because Ciryandor straight up said he preferred BM in office over BC. The sudden change of heart from Ciryandor to Macpo halfway through the day makes even more sense from a "Protac is scum" perspective, since it means he could get away with pushing the lynch onto someone other than a scumbuddy.

Ciryandor said he was also torn between Protactinium and sandro in office. Sandro quit halfway through the day to support BC, though he never voted in the vote thread. He originally also said he'd be willing to vote Ciryandor; if he wanted to kill Ciryandor, why did he not support Protac? Why was his mayoral campaign so weak?

The thing that can screw up all of this is if BC is scum too. In that case, all of the main candidates yesterday were scum and the scumteam could throw votes anywhere and get whatever the hell they wanted. However, I doubt this possibility, since even statistically it's unlikely. Personally I'm leaning townish on BC. I'll do some more rereading so as to make sure I don't have this backwards, but right now I really do think our best lynch is Protac.

Our second best lynch is probably someone like sandro or BM. Note how, despite being elected to office, BM has done nothing. He chose to jail Lanaia, which was honestly one of the dumbest choices he could make, particularly as, IIRC, he had a scum read on her. Lanaia actually even has a decent chance of flipping scum.

I say we lynch BM and Protac today. The Ciryandor interactions from yesterday make both likely to flip scum, although BM somewhat less so. I know no one is willing to lynch Scamp, and that's okay, but I actually think he's scum too.

Look at this little thing he says here:

On January 14 2012 01:59 Scamp wrote:
I'm automatically suspicious of anyone who complains about something and then doesn't do anything to try and help the problem.

Just sayin'...

Okay, so Scamp complains that I was wrong day 1 and that I should be accountable for it. He also complains, in his very next post:

On January 14 2012 08:08 Scamp wrote:
So far most of the candidates haven't put a lot of effort into this game.

It should be noted, once again, that the GF is selected after the mayoral elections. Thus mafia can send whoever they want at the elected spots, and if any veteran or suspicious day 1 players get elected then they can put the GF on someone else.

Likewise, Scamp has barely put any effort into the game as well.

Can anyone name one scumread Scamp had day 1?

Day 2?

Note here, he doesn't want attention:

On January 14 2012 16:02 Scamp wrote:

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On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:

On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote:

On January 14 2012 14:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=87086

bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town?

In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state?

None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor.

If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle.

I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker.

@WBG -- What do you think about what Protactinium has posted?

How do you feel about Protactinium's new lynch candidate - BC?

I think its far to early in the game to solidly go after BC. I don't think he's scum just for addressing our rather useless mason role in the way he and I discussed it. I feel the move was solidly pro-town, but I won't trust him still. I never trust BC, L, Incog, or RoL (as evidenced by my repeated murders of RoL). But as of this moment I think he's decently protown, he created a different discussion that needed to be discussed. I will not support any attempts at lynching him day one.

Also, we haven't heard from quite a few people on our list of players, most notably L. I also don't think d3 has posted either, which is rather poor to me.
As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate.

Hi Scamp, how are you, sir? Do you mind gracing me with a few opinions? Like Foolishness pushing for multiple people for mayor, instead of himself?( I still find that the most weird thing about today.) And also Protactinium saying he'd lynch BC if elected - a change from ciryandor.

Well alright, but first I question your post.

Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town?

Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him?

I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages.

Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point.

I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though.

He straight up says, "why are you asking me? Why don't you ask him? He looks like he wants to talk!"

What kind of person doesn't like attention, and doesn't want to talk much? A mafia person, of course.

After this, Scamp continues to do some weird shit. He complains that Protac hasn't posted anything useful (despite falling to his own vice), he randomly switches to voting L over mattchew for no apparent reason, or at least no explained reason, and then rejoices about the incoming round of modkills for whatever reason.

Insofar as uselessness goes, Scamp is still close to #1.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 00:43 GMT

#1926

On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote:

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On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content.
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[13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james
[13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me
[13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl
[13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr
[13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good

[13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed
[13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there?
[13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up
[13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am
[13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed
[13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up
[13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26
[13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic
[13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw?
[13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion
[13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games
[13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games
[13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months
[13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most
[13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh
[13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia
[13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do
[13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not
[13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_-
[13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh
[13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign
[13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar
[13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well
[13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now
[13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read
[13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself
[13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb
[13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet
[13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it
[13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread
[13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however
[13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness
[13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc...
[13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets
[13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post
[13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to
[13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly
[13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me?
[13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post
[13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post
[13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it
[13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm
[13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs
[13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs
[13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks
[13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people
[13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim
[13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op
[13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be
[13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs
[13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in
[13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total?
[13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba
[13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game
[13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan
[13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good
[13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs
[13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however
[13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not
[13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me
[13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia
[13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit
[13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do
[13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue
[13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go
[13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die"
[13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows
[13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool
[13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring
[13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most
[13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red
[13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now
[13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected
[13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover
[13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player
[13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are
[13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me
[13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure
[13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing
[13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more
[13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup
[13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think
[13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly
[13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others
[13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues
[13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game
[13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early
[13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree
[13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night
[13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you
[13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole
[13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player
[13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing
[13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work
[13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it
[13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep
[13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion
[13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key
[13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it
[13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up
[13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james:

its an annoying read
[13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours
[13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit
[13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim
[13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies
[13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny
[13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town
[13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use
[13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes
[13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason
[13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us
[13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times
[13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool
[13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance
[13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits
[13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town
[13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies
[13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well?
[13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role
[13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all
[13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form
[13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia
[13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue
[13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest
[13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks
[13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt
[13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think
[13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role
[13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected?
[13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated
[13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont
[13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl
[13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said
[13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you
[13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason"
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol
[13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red
[13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people
[13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself
[13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently
[13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over?
[13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight
[13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town
[13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way
[13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia
[13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also
[13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese
[13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad
[13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck
[13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my
[13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim
[13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for
[13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case
[13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too
[13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more
[13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red
[13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play
[13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him
[13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad
[13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible
[13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach
[13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic
[13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie
[13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact
[13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree
[13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up
[13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him
[13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town
[13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true
[13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb
[13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit
[13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do
[13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw
[13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons
[13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP
[13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec
[13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that
[13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose
[13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1
[13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd
[13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though
[13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it
[13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly
[13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon
[13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone
[13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to
[13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more
[13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night
[13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like
[13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it
[13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid
[13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town
[13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake?
[13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies
[13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers
[13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1
[13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game
[13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot'
[13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well
[13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game
[13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong
[13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game
[13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads
[13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1
[13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool
[13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play
[13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides
[13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere
[13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through
[13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes
[13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now
[13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha
[13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently
[14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here?
[14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now
[14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up
[14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40
[14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk
[14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow
[14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum
[14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia?
[14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow
[14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not
[14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac
[14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though
[14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious
[14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because
[14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though
[14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord
[14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell
[14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second
[14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me
[14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog
[14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town
[14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no
[14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean
[14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him
[14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game
[14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it
[14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia
[14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms
[14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid
[14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw
[14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I
[14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general
[14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons
[14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1
[14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah
[14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog
[14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just
[14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that
[14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway
[14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out
[14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit
[14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also
[14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast
[14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam
[14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg
[14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac
[14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor
[14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no
[14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link
[14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact
[14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds
[14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well
[14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog
[14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker
[14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm
[14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia
[14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively
[14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken
[14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts
[14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now
[14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog
[14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck
[14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view
[14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms
[14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\
[14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post
[14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it
[14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post?
[14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense
[14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening
[14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun
[14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw?
[14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time
[14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time
[14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now
[14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior
[14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful
[14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy
[14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb
[14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy
[14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs
[14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you
[14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz
[14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs
[14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me
[14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha
[14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye
[14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l
[14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good?
[14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't
[14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything
[14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet
[14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town
[14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia
[14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is
[14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup
[14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red
[14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is
[14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted
[14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be?
[14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L
[14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far
[14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3?
[14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia
[14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages]
[14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him
[14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game
[14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms
[14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl
[14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters
[14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play
[14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members
[14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it
[14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation?
[14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up
[14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets
[14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii
[14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it
[14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia
[14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red
[14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good
[14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving
[14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red
[14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning
[14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good!
[14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once
[14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice
[14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin
[14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes
[14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard"
[14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_-
[14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than
[14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op
[14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that
[14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception
[14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like
[14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P
[14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right?
[14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used
[14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently
[14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people?
[14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game
[14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post
[14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart
[14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia
[14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you
[14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden
[14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =)
[14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red
[14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno
[14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town
[14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good
[14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does
[14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience
[14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town
[14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red
[14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor
[14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's
[14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\
[14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay
[14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good
[14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome
[14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me
[14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched
[14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die
[14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always
[14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia
[14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck
[14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think
[14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy
[14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously
[14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me
[14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba
[14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote
[14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed
[14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread
[14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me
[14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office
[14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls
[14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort
[14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm
[14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed
[14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere
[14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol
[14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb
[14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing
[14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more
[14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss
[14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =)
[14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man
[14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long
[14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia
[14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game
[14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason
[14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game
[14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all
[14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch
[14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players?
[14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope
[14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now
[14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo
[14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo?
[14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6
[14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this
[14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint
[14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl
[14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac
[14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of?
[14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl
[14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up
[14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here?
[14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack
[14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck
[14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved
[14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =(
[14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night
[14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk
[14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind
[14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal?
[14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka
[14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw
[14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later
[14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog
[14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread
[14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then
[14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you
[14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts
[14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me
[14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man
[14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons
[14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck
[14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly
[14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people
[14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on
[14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1
[14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account
[14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure
[14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely
[14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive?
[14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted
[14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake
[14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power
[14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate?
[14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so
[14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly
[14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim
[14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you
[14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia
[14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly
[14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys
[14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason
[14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are
[14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known
[14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly
[14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though
[14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names
[14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too
[14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends
[14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha
[14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1
[14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me
[14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap
[14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling
[14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does
[14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him
[14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all
[14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia
[14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him
[14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by
[14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez
[14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes
[14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll
[14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town
[14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets
[14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry
[14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town
[14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point
[14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances
[14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot
[14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo
[14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who?
[14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis?
[14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later
[14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc
[14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway
[14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what
[14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58
[14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting
[14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce?
[14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works
[14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact
[14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see
[14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him
[14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people
[14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P
[14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch
[14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh
[14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me
[14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit
[14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world
[14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's
[14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully
[14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it
[14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made
[14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game
[14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented?
[14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell
[14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog
[14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better
[14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then
[14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him
[14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support
[14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of
[14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc"
[14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do
[14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1
[14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes
[14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad
[14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive
[14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1
[14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend?
[14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker?
[14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of
[14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs
[14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor
[14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread
[14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time
[14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll
[14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone
[14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: ....................
[14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't
[14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg
[14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten
[14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen
[14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT
[14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie
[14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh
[14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that
[14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like
[14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead
[14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post
[14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline
[14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not
[14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me
[14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results
[14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure
[14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere
[14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die
[14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan
[14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know
[14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know
[14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s
[14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik
[14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol*
[14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man
[14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100%
[14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info
[14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs
[14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb
[14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious
[14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to
[14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you
[14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him?
[14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town
[14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz
[14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red
[14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red
[14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red
[14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive
[14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red
[14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are
[14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless
[14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds
[14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case
[14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out
[14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected
[14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch
[14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough
[14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right?
[14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check
[14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi
[14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also
[14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me
[14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm
[14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%?
[14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no
[14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles
[14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets
[14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those
[14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont
[14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember
[14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar
[14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd
[14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red
[14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done
[14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts
[14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all
[14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote
[14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that
[14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll
[14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar
[14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum
[14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later
[12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back
[12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched
[12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller
[12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think
[12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that
[12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/
[12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread
[12:12:23 AM] james: lol
[12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread
[12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked
[12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man
[12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller
[12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad
[12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll
[12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia
[12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still
[12:14:14 AM] james: on incog
[12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game
[12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town
[12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop
[12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason
[12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[12:15:09 AM] james: from me
[12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else?
[12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that
[12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town
[12:15:23 AM] james: nah
[12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run
[12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia
[12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam
[12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me
[12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh
[12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion
[12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player
[12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia
[12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are
[12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad"
[12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in
[12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat
[12:16:14 AM] james: lol
[12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can
[12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off
[12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral
[12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way
[12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not
[12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair
[12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment
[12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be
[12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play
[12:17:38 AM] james: as red
[12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories
[12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx
[12:18:22 AM] james: lol
[12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong
[12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth
[12:18:52 AM] james: usually
[12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players
[12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah
[12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play
[12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up
[12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't
[12:19:15 AM] james: ace does
[12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying
[12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace
[12:19:31 AM] james: lol
[12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit
[12:19:36 AM] james: in the open
[12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia
[12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him

[12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there
[12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience
[12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him
[12:20:13 AM] james: hard
[12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean
[12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right
[12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ
[12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too
[12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed
[12:20:28 AM] james: lol
[12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot
[12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot
[12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep
[12:22:16 AM] james: haha
[12:22:17 AM] james: then crash
[12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today
[12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie
[12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man
[11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk?
[11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day?
[11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over.
[11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks.
[5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes

Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread.

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But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba.

Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it.

Toad can you explain how you came to the conclusion that sandro influenced BC?

wherebugsgo

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January 17 2012 00:44 GMT

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On January 17 2012 09:41 p4NDemik wrote:

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As opposed to: "Note how Protactinium never questions that I or the other people who pushed Palmar for lynch were anything but town"

This is the line that I'm wondering about. I don't know why you are claiming it doesn't exist or why you are so indignant. It just read incredibly fishy. I've never referred to myself like this online and I've never seen anyone else do it. You aren't omitting anything you substituted in an acronym for your nickname that I have never seen you use and everyone else commonly uses.

Add Kenpachi coming out of no where to make me feel like a dipshit with no reasoning and I'm just more suspicious.

ah, that line was just a direct quote of what Protac said. That's why I put it in parentheses.

I didn't even remember that line. You should have pointed it out earlier so there was less confusion and waste of time.

wherebugsgo

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January 17 2012 01:27 GMT

#1958

On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack?

LOL

You're jailing them to lower their KP? Is that even how the KP functions in this game?

You should be jailing to protect. Also, you're pretty much wrong about mafia KP being 3 yesterday. If you truly believe mafia KP was 3 why aren't you calling kita scum for his hit claim?

On January 17 2012 09:53 p4NDemik wrote:
wherebugsgo if you could so kindly link to the post that Protact used that phrase then I might think about removing my vote for you to be lynched. Because right now I can't find that in Protactinium's or Incognito's posting history and now I'm pretty sure you're just straight up lying to me.

Maybe you're paraphrasing and I've caught you on absolutely nothing but for now I'm putting in my vote to ##vote wherebugsgo

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&currentpage=93#1860

On January 17 2012 07:42 Protactinium wrote:
You have some hardline players like WBG and company who want to throw Palmar off a cliff, and a bunch of useless mason discussion.

it wasn't a direct quote since I was on my phone, I just paraphrased it.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:28 GMT

#1962

oh also even if KP functioned that way, it wouldn't have worked, because 3 scum would have needed to be roleblocked for it to work.

So I think BM is full of shit and needs to die now.

##unvote Scamp

##vote Bill Murray

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:31 GMT

#1964

supersoft:

Is Toad scum?

I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:37 GMT

#1968

On January 17 2012 10:34 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

What do you think about Bill's claim of being masoned by 2 people who aren't BC and Opz, and subsequent insistence that BC is mafia?

What is there to think?

Nothing Bill Murray has done has made sense. It's just brainless flailing around. In what universe does the sheriff jail someone to lower mafia KP? Particularly, in the universe we live in, it takes 3 dead scum for mafia KP to drop, which makes his claim of "I jailed Lanaia so mafia KP would drop" even more frightening.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:41 GMT

#1971

On January 17 2012 10:39 Toadesstern wrote:

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I guess you think I am mafia because I told you palmar is town and I am telling you sandroba is mafia?

Don't like it? Why?

y u so scared bro?

As I asked earlier, which post by sandro gave you the impression that he convinced BC to lynch Palmar?

BC, what do you think of this Protac/Toad situation?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:43 GMT

#1973

On January 17 2012 10:42 L wrote:
2 of 2

Show nested quote +

This was well timed.

Kenpachi should be dead according to Kurumis crumb. No ones come out in the past day to explain anything. Kurumis crumb was super overt, which indicates that he was comfortable dying during the night.

This particular post, however, is both a way of distancing Toad from Kenpachi (he is a troll, he will hang), while simultaneously defending him (He wont hang till everyone else of worthy suspicion dies). Even if Kenpachi is shot and flips red, Toad can push his connection with the hang comment. If he dies and flips down, Toad can claim he was the lowest priority.

This is possibly the safest disengagement post possible.

Given the fact that last night indicates that Kenpachi is mafia, his sheeping on Toad combined with Toads response indicats that theyre not just buddies, but scumbuddies.

If you arent swayed, check out Kenpachis filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=51151
Toads filter is much more interesting read:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853

I love you.

L what are your thoughts on Protac?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 01:49 GMT

#1976

On January 17 2012 10:46 Toadesstern wrote:

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because I don't want to lose again as a townie

100% win-rate as mafia
0% win rate as townie.
Yeah I'm totally scared because I'm mafia :p

But enough of this trolling. Are you even reading what I posted? I explained that the post I quoted from sandroba made me think e made BC lynch palmar. I was right, it is reasonable and you ignore it.

You lynched palmar (a townie). You are trying to safe sandroba with everything you got and still I think you're a townie from what you posted d1. But you're a little to often wrong for me right now

I don't give a shit about sandroba, actually. I want him to die as much as the next guy, but I am more concerned with other people atm, because they are not receiving any attention. And, as we all know, mafia love attention.

You like the attention, don't you? As I say again, where did sandro say he convinced BC to lynch Palmar? You can point to that "compromise" post all you want, but it says nothing. Protac is right that you are stretching the hell out of that one post to try and make yourself look correct.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 07:16 GMT

#2125

I agree with L that lynching Protactinium + BM would be good, but what people keep saying about L playing like he played Responsibility is true.

I'm a little unsure of everything right now, so I'm going to sleep on it and come back tomorrow.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 07:26 GMT

#2127

On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:
Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better.

dunno who was first and I honestly don't care, but I find opz to be rather scummy as well.

Do you think he's worth a lynch today, or should we lynch someone like BM instead?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 20:24 GMT

#2214

Now I remember why I hate large games...

Holy shit this town has no direction.

Must kill:

Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge

Should probably kill:

Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium

Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him.

Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 20:25 GMT

#2216

Oh kill that Adam guy too, he's been saying weird shit for days.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 20:35 GMT

#2223

On January 18 2012 05:31 Toadesstern wrote:

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Judging on how much we think differently I'd say you're a probably kill as well. You're just wrong way too often

The fact that you can confidently say I'm wrong too often when I've only been provably wrong once means you need to die today.

At most, you'd know that I've been wrong twice, (if you are town) which isn't
"too often" unless your standards for finding scum are unreasonably high, which I don't find likely, seeing as I don't believe you've ever even found scum as town before.

##unvote Protactinium
##vote Toadesstern

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 20:37 GMT

#2228

On January 18 2012 05:30 Cwave wrote:
BC back to share who he mason'd with yet? Or gonna try and avoid that request?
If Mapco is getting modkilled i will ##vote: Chaosquo

what the fuck is this?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 17 2012 20:44 GMT

#2233

On January 18 2012 05:40 Cwave wrote:

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Don't join then? :O

Show nested quote +

You just listed 10 people without ANY case in the post and we allready flipped one scummy bastard. So after these 11, you would continue lynching random lurkers?

If any of those players flip town, I'd be willing to lynch you, for one. Also, I don't need to provide an explanation for any of these unless I need to. I'm operating on a need to know basis right now. You can be assured that I have good reasons for suspecting these players. However, I'm not about to bomb the thread with a massive post that no one's going to read. If you actually care and have a difference in opinion, go ahead and ask specific questions.

Also Toad that's cute but it doesn't make you any less scummy. Care to explain why you think my scumread of lanaia is bullshit?

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