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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 20 2012 14:29 Nisani201 wrote: Meapak, your case against Opz is not very good. You are basically calling him scum for being wrong (about Protact), while throwing in some mafia kill WIFOM. I guess you didn't read it then lol. If you had you'd know those are two supporting tenets not the main idea. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 20 2012 14:47 Nisani201 wrote: OK then fine, you're calling him out for being consistent and pressuring against Protact... Chainsaw much? LOL wow you still didn't read it (or you fail at reading comprehension). He pressures protact when it's fairly obvious protact was town (scummy) and then when sheth calls him out on it he completely backtracks and claims he wasn't a big force against protact (ridiculous contradiction which looks extremely scummy). Please, if you're going to comment at least understand what's going on. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 20 2012 14:52 p4NDemik wrote: Meapak I'm very wary of getting behind the lynch of a dead townie primarily because he was town, which is what it seems like you're doing there. Nisani is right, a lot of your case is predicated on OpZ's continued distrust of Protactinium, which is fairly reasonable imo. Once Macpo was lynched and turned red (this happened on the 18th, after all of the posts you quoted) if people still are overly pushing for Protact's head then I'd say they are either horribad town or even more horribad mafia. I actually disagree that calling for protacts death on day two was reasonable so from that standpoint you and I are just gonna disagree. I understand private suspicions but full-blown calls for protacts death even before macpos death are suspicious to me. Yesterday, when I wasn't calling for GGQ's head I was advocating against lynching protact and sandroba. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 20 2012 15:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: can you quote me the posts of you advocating against protrac and roba? I see alot of ggq posts in your filter and can't seem to see the ones you just referenced. I could be blind or skimming way to fast however. I'm on my itouch so I can't c/p but the posts I'm refering to are from the middle of page 3 to the top of page 4 on my filter. Some of the are part of anti GGQ posts, if you still can't find them I'll get them all together tomorrow. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Besides these somewhat ethereal reasons, BC's case on KJ is good and KJ's defense of himself and his choice of lynch target I feel are scummy. At the time KJ went after p4ndemik I felt like it was a scum motivated move because p4n hadn't done much and would not be a controversial lynch target. P4ndemik started posting more and while I haven't noticed supersoft as an obviscum, p4n's case was made in a town fashion which makes KJ's choice of him as someone who's "scummy" even worse. Also BC, did you find my posts defending protact/sandroba or do you want me to c/p them for you? A word on BM, like I said earlier, I don't think he's a good lynch for today. L's accusations felt too genuine. I also don't want to run the risk of losing protact if BM really is telling the truth about being a hatter. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 05:26 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'm so confused right now. I've been bitchslapped left and right. People called my case on sandroba retarded and I think I was the first one who said he might be scum although I was not the first who did the job to build a case although I think my case is the best :3 And now out of nowhere protact wants to lynch sandroba and BC / foolish follow him? I have no idea what's going on. I'm gonna take this post as a good opportunity to talk about sandroba as well. So I defended him a lot yesterday. I felt like he was an extremely poor lynch choice especially with the other options at hand (GGQ  ). People like Toad who were pushing for sand's death (yes toad I know you're not the only one) did not have a very strong case (I felt) and it seemed to me like scum trying to run a mislynch with protact/sandroba rather than the obviscum GGQ. Later in the day, there was a shift to macpo and the three previous candidates were largely forgotten. Now since macpo flipped red I can't fault this shift as scum. Fast forward to today. The big three (protact/foolishness/BC) now think that sandroba is scum. Similarly they've exonerated GGQ. Quite frankly I'm baffled. There was one brief dismissive post made by foolishness(?) about how GGQ was cleared and that was never revisited. Meanwhile, the case made on sandroba is extremely unclear, at some point he just switches to being scum in their eyes. When I do see them make a case, like Toad said, it really just rehashes the stuff that was said yesterday. It's not like something new happened that made them think sandroba was scum, they just suddenly changed their mind. So here's where I stand. I independantly was becoming suspicious of sandroba because of how he's lurked when the pressure was off of him. However the shift towards him by the three, seemingly without any new information, gave me pause. So I'd like to take this oppertunity to clear some things up BC/Foolishness/Incog: Why is Sandroba scum? Why is GGQ not? Where along the line did these things change? You guys have collectively delivered three scum and that's great, but you can't fault me for being a little weary when your positions change seemingly out of the blue. I'm gonna echo P4ndemik a little here and I'm going to ask you to fully explain why you're thinking what you're thinking. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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In all seriousness, I really would appreciate the reasoning behind sandroba. I can understand not wanting protact to die (I share the sentiment) but sandroba feels like a really poor choice and almost an attempt to cash into the anti-sandroba sentiment from yesterday. All we're (and by me I mean the people who have been posting in the last five pages) asking for is a reason that isn't a rehash of yesterday's argument which you guys poopoo'd. I think a lot of us (at least Toad does and like I already said I've started to as well) harbor at least some suspicions of sandroba however the manner in which you're presenting your case is running up some red flags (and certainly my suspicions are not lynch worthy yet, hence why I'd like to hear your case). Also BC, I'd love if you could mason me next cycle (I assume you've already used it this cycle). | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote: Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 07:00 p4NDemik wrote: why would bill be actively trolling us like this? your argument for not voting for him is defining his play as anti-town but you qualify it by saying he is actual town that is trolling us? why are you ignoring the much more likely probability that he is mafia and his anti-town actions are anti-town because he is MAFIA? seriously I don't have this mad history with BM is he capable of ruining games like this? I know he's been banned but is this really the more likely possibility right now? Look at his mod notes. There should be several mentions of stuff that's happened in there. This is a case where he has actually done stuff like this in the past, it's really not that far fetched. Also I think those currently reading the thread need to all take five. We have a fairly good atmosphere going right now and it'd be a shame to throw it away. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Meapak_Ziphh
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People seriously need to get off BM now. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 09:31 rgTheSchworz wrote: 1.You are suspicious already. 2. Get off BM??Can't you see he is BS-ing about being hatter and playing on your fear?Read my last post. You are being watched lol | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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I'm going out, I'll be back in an hour or so. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Can we kill GGQ tomorrow? Hiro I still want to hear who else you've checked, you so far have only volunteered Sandroba's name, it'd be great to have the rest. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Move it to brownbear tonight or you die tomorrow (yes you die ahead of GGQ *gasp). | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 13:07 bumatlarge wrote: Why brownbear? I know you said I should be the other target, so I'd prefer it be him, but I didn't see anyone explain why BB is scummy? BrownBear has done F all this game, he shares the antipathy trait found in every mafia killed so far. Why bother lynching when you can bomb? The reason I said him over you is because you suddenly got a lot more active so maybe there's hope for you and also because I feel like lynching you would be a better death since if you're scum I have a feeling they'd be pretty desperate to save you given the hits they're taking. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Figured I'd be bolder if I had been up there | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 21 2012 13:16 Slardar wrote: Meapak you scum bro? Just after the Double Lynch day gets derailed all to hell by scum pointing out random individuals to confuse everyone, you do the same? FoS lol | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Either way I'd appreciate if you and foolishness would actually stand up and post a case against me rather than doing your veiled little "he's scum" statements. | ||
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