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Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency.
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@Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours.
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On January 17 2012 15:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency. We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways.
I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have.
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Sounds good to me foolishness.
To everyone else, goodnight. When I wake up I expect everyone to have unvoted protact and sandro.
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Is it just me or is L playing exactly like Resoonsibility mafia?
Ok really going to sleep now.
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Hey BC, who did you mason today?
I read a while back you were thinking about me or foolishness, since it's not with me is it with foolishness for sure?
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Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else.
So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ.
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On January 18 2012 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else.
So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ. Meapak, if you knew that someone was going to kill you in the next five minutes what would you do? Why do you insist these players push macpo instead of coming up with your own solid opinion about him? What are your thoughts on Bill Murray? Also, I forgot to include a tiny disclaimer to all townies: As of right now, the "kill reads" I publish may or may not actually be current kill reads. Just FYI. However, I still want opinions from everyone about killing the people I've mentioned.
If I was going to die in five minutes I'd say kill GGQ.
I beleive macpo is scummy however I'd rather lynch GGQ, someone I think is a much more solid lynch. However I had all three of them tell me to lay off GGQ and lynch macpo. In the interest of keeping votes consolidated and since I have no problem with a macpo lynch I did so. However those three have failed to continue pushing macpo, if they're not going to step up then I'm going back to GGQ and getting him lynched.
I have a stronger scum read on GGQ, opz, macpo, and toad then I do on Bill, I view any of these people as more likely to flip scum then bill so I'm opposed to lynching him today.
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On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote:
wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all.
Let the vigs deal with those people.
Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early.
Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes.
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On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote:
wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all.
Let the vigs deal with those people.
Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes.
Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them).
Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum.
Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled).
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Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do.
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On January 18 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do. why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read. Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ?
The difference is I tried NOT to get protact/sandroba lynched AND I wasn't opposed to lynching Macpo. GGQ and Macpo are not mutually exclusive, I can support both of their lynches. Macpo and Sandroba are mutually exclusive, yesterday it was either one or the other.
Since we have a double lynch we'll lynch GGQ tomorrow and then I'll have an "I told you so" moment. For the second lynch Bill is a very good candidate. Especially with his last few posts lol.
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On January 19 2012 03:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned. my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia.
This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is.
Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on.
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Sheth I agree with every person on that list except for myself (obviously) and schworz and evantrees (haven't paid enough attention to them, I'd need to check their filters).
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Alright guys I have a night class so I won't be around till after the deadline and I have a feeling I might die so here goes.
Lynch: GGQ (already stated why) L (his play looks very similar to responsibility). Should lynch later on opz and BM. These are people I feel pretty certain are scum. I will provide some analysis of opz should I survive the night.
Don't lynch: protact. People calling for his death are either stupid or scum. BC because aside from his mislynch of Palmar I feel he's acted in a protown manner... Just needs to be more active.
Bum it's time for you to come back to the thread, several times I've forgotten you were playing then I go read day 1. If people are looking for someone who ran than disappeared look no further than bum.
This may be a little surprising but I don't think Jackal is scum. He's done nothing so far however I realized he was also playing in purgatory. I may have the times mixed up but I think he just got killed there which would corrospond with his spike in activity here. Give him a day, we've got bigger fish to fry anyway.
I'll be back!
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On January 16 2012 12:32 L wrote:
I was rolebrocked. More news to follow shortly.
So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt.
Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here.
Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here.
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On January 19 2012 15:06 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 16 2012 12:32 L wrote:
I was rolebrocked. More news to follow shortly. So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt. Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here. Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here. Was just about to say, if someone got roleblocked please speak up now so we know if they have one or not. Normally I would agree with you except it's L, and L will always gun for Bill Murray no matter what. Even so, I think we should step back and think about the Bill Murray lynch before rushing into it.
You/protact have correctly called out enough scum that if you guys really think Bill is scum I'll go with it however at the moment I don't feel it's our best option.
also just saw bill's claim, why don't you have both bombs out? You've had two nights :/
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On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts.
##Vote meapak_ziphh
Hey bum glad you decided to start playing.
Actually let's just get this out of the way. Can anyone who is suspicious of me please vote for me now? I'd like to get a headcount so I can address all your concerns. I've seen my name thrown out a couple times and I'm baffled so if you'd just do that we can put this to rest once and for all.
Now bum. You say my case is one giant crutch. Do you agree or disagree with my case? Why is it a crutch? I've shared plenty of other reads. True I haven't persued any to lynch but that's because I feel GGQ is the best option. I already promised that tomorrow I would have an analysis of opz. Other than a spat with toad I've helped keep the thread on track. Besides, GGQ isn't the only thing I've posted a lot about. I've also worked against lynching protact and sandroba. You call me out for being willing to vote with protact/foolishness. Why not? They've collectively called out three confirmed scum and I agree with the majority of their reads. Is it scummy to agree with someone who's making sense?
Now let's contrast that with you bum. You've done nothing since day one. You ran a halfassed campaign for mayor, you were missing from the discussion yesterday. Other than me what are you reads? You don't even have a proper case against me, just a lame little "clearly scum becuz crutch" which as I've pointed out makes no sense. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on bum because at the moment you have zero credibility.
Alright next!
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On January 19 2012 17:47 Kenpachi wrote:
mafia should surrender no?
By your vote I assume you harbor suspicions of me. Please let me know what they are so I can address them.
Anyway I'm going to bed, see you all tomorrow.
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First off, sorry about the delay, second, Sheth is actually better at mafia then I would have given him credit for. Now to opz.
On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
This is a scum post. He’s neutral, everything about this post is neutral. Wishy washy and neutral are scum behaviors.
On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually.
Supports a flipped mafia for mayor.
On January 15 2012 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 08:44 Protactinium wrote:On January 15 2012 08:37 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So confused at the moment. Have the feeling we're going nowhere, even worse, several of our blues have blundered.
I'm gonna vote BM, as Sandroba has the highest chance of being scum out of potential candidates.His posts have been weird enough, he runs for mayor then isnt particularly active or scum-hunting,some of his posts like the one with the eagle landing on his arm disturbed me.
I'll keep an eye on the following: Risk.nuke, Palmar.
I feel palmar still has a role to play. Don't lynch him day1, maybe day 2 if he continues like that.
The whole mason thing started by BC was useless in my opinion.50/50 chance of being mafia/town. Bollocks, they're maybe more town masons than mafia, maybe less. You can't know that, unless maybe.. you have external information.
Also, as sandro is suspicious and BC had made a sort of a deal with him, my feelings about this persona shall remain mixed at best. When the town isn't going anywhere, look for mafia interference. I clearly have been trying to give some direction to this thread, so there isn't really the excuse that the town is just newb and doesn't know what to do.Furthermore, this game isn't like some others where 2 mistaken townies pollute the thread by attacking each other on pretty thin grounds. If you look at the thread as a whole, you probably will only be able to find 1 player who really sticks out of the discussion, and that's BC. If you agree that the town isn't going anywhere, the question should be why. BC has steered the course of the discussion for the most part of this day, despite only having around 5% of the total game posts. While I have no problem with someone having this few amount of posts, an examination of BC's posts shows that he has created more ? He creates a discussion which blows up disproportionately to its significance in the game. In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia.
Starts calling out and trying to discredit protact.
On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. LanaiaOn January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night People she opposed:Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported:Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Lanaia
Mafia a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. On January 16 2012 14:16 Lanaia wrote:
Bill, if that were the case, would I have been notified of being killed?
But yeah, I can confirm he did target me.
However, I have no idea why. May I ask why? This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick.
Up until this post he’s never mentioned Lanaia and look at how he does so, he calls her out for neutral posts… lol. He says he’ll point all the stuff out later… I’ll wait for later to see what he has to say.
On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right.
Well that’s his reason, he’s either not putting effort or he doesn’t believe his own case. It’s also ironic since he calls her out for the exact same thing he himself did. This just seems like an effort to split town votes more, especially since he never comes back to her.
On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes.
More discrediting of protact. Here’s my feeling with people who call out protact, it’s fine, to be suspicious on day one when protact’s reads haven’t been shown to be correct, however at this point protact has been right about one mafia and a lot of people in the thread believe he’s on track to a second. Hindsight shows that protact is subsequently right about two more mafia and this begs the question, why is opz so certain protact is mafia? Unless you believe he was bussing, he’s already scored one kill, the worst you should be is mildly suspicious at this point. Also his reasoning is stupid. Basically it boils down to them not signing their posts and having a “random ass following.” News flash, it’s normal for people to listen to players who correctly call out scum.
On January 17 2012 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting.
More random calling out of protact simply because they don’t head their posts. This doesn’t make protact mafia lol.
On January 18 2012 09:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 09:06 Liquid`Sheth wrote:We have a few hours left till lynch and the majority is definitely on Macpo for now. I'm fine with this as I still think theres a good chance hes red . At the start of the day remember that Meapak brought up that we want to keep the candidate pool small. He provided Sandroba / Protactinium / GGQ as our "primary targets". I then added Macpo to that list thanks to primarily my re-read and thoughts on Protactiniums post that Macpo is red . As this day has went on, the two lurkers here GGQ + Macpo haven't posted much and this has led people to worry that perhaps they are just lynching a lurker and the lack of opposition to it makes them think that it will be a town flip. However I would like to point out that it would be practically impossible to "defend" macpo or GGQ based on their posts so far, so it makes sense that no one has went out in his defense solidly yet. I still believe our logic for lynching him is good and would like to get a red out of this lynch. If you haven't voted for a double lynch tomorrow please do. On to someone else who I really feel is red. I feel like we have lots of good candidates from this post here : + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd like to add my case against OpZ here as well. His first post is as follows : + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!!I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far... His second post : + Show Spoiler +
The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
Starts off by saying that Mason is a weak roll. And that people should be worried the mason is mafia (after BC claimed). And then suggests ignoring PM's as an idea. Mason however isn't a weak roll at all. Thirdly and weirdly : + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
Doesn't know about mass mason claim suggests the roll is bland, which I can understand. Doesn't want to feel like sheep. However eventually says that he is Mason #2 and that BC won't talk to him. Nothing honestly too weird here. 4th Post : + Show Spoiler +Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. Wants to ignore PMS again. Its not highly logical at all, its actually the opposite. It removes all logic. However after this he says that hes still going to PM Bill. Really contradictory about the Mason roll. He then flip flops entirely within 2 posts : First he says On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate.
Then : I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him.
Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around.
And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player
So he at first suggests lynching Palmar then doesn't want to go after him because he is a "power player" if I'm correct in understanding this. Also HERE IS A HUGE MISTAKE. When he says that he just asked about Protact because "I just wanted some discussion on a player". Why would you say this? You don't want just discussion on a player. You want to find out what the player and the poster thinks in depth and why. You were so against Protact and then say this its horrible. You just want their opinion and discussion... you should want to know if they are Mafia or not. Next post : Completely unhelpful to town players : On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote:On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote:
foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe. With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. He is VERY sure Mattchew is blue : On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. However at this point there was no reason to think he was blue, at least no real reason any better then to think BC or even Opz is blue. All he had done was claim Mason. Its somewhat a good point for you that you wanted to vote for him, however at this point it was not completely obvious. THEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS VERY SURE ABOUT MATTCHEW; He changes his vote to L!!!! On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. No reason for this!! Only reason would be because he knows Mattchew is blue, so he just wanted to post that he thought he wasn't guilty and then to possibly go on to someone that is mafia. (Good chance L is mafia if OpZ flips red or at least slightly better chance) Going to post this now, because I don't want it to get too long. The rest of his posts are calling out Lanaia for being scum. When pressured why he thinks this by me he suggests that hes already posted the why. However he hadn't. He then posts the why which basically is "shes not posting much interesting information". Its not because she looks scummy or has acted scummy, its simply because shes not posting much to help town. Which may seem like a good reason, but I really feel its not that great. This is his complete evidence for why Lanaia is mafia : + Show Spoiler +Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch. So, if I do happen to die this night, I'd like this case to be top priority for tomorrow and I'm bringing it up early as I think he is red . ~OpZ~ the Mafia most awful, and utter bull shit. Mattchew was modkilled for by the time I posted that, that which I had not known. WHY I WAS CERTAIN, was because of why he was modkilled. You could see his pms were only from Foolishness as opposed to if he was mafia, he would ALMOST CERTAINLY have atleast a pm from another person. "Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far..." What did you do? Just click my filter and read my posts out of context?The portion was dedicated to Kita and Wiggles, FOR AS TO WHY I would say Foolishness would push BM as a candidate, not with regards to Kita and Wiggles reading BM. Has Wiggles even played a game with BM, (or am I confusing him with Meapak)? Masons are terribly weak in this game in my opinion BESIDES in mafia hands. Sure, I can bounce ideas off one person in PM, OR I CAN BOUNCE THEM OFF THE ENTIRE THREAD. I believe this is something me and BC were in agreement about. Then you point out me asking you about protact?! Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once. The portion about voting L instead of Mattchew, because I knew he was blue? MATTCHEW WAS DEAD, by the point. Jesus fucking christ. Learn to build a case proper. You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact? So lets note, everything you have as a case against me is: A) wrong B) out of context C) a lie While me pointing you out for voting for protact for no reason still stands, with the amazing defense of, "You didn't point anyone else out for voting for protact!!" Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. In this post: He makes no mention of his reason for voting Protactinum, blatantly ignoring my question.
So I wanna take all these posts together as one. This is why I brought up sheth earlier. This is his big case, this is his was his push when he was alive. Analyzing and calling out opz. He actually doesn’t have half bad of a case, I won’t rehash it, it’s all in the spoilers. However it’s not Sheth’s case that is the big deal here, it’s opz’s reaction. All the neutrality and careful posting have flown away in the sudden face of raw fear of being lynched. It’s actually very strange how agitated and aggressive opz becomes when sheth calls him out. He pulls out the bold, all caps, and swear words, going waaaay over board. If you’re innocent, you know it and you can approach someone’s claims with rational thought because deep down you KNOW you’re town. Scum don’t have that luxury, when they get called out they have nowhere to run because they know the accusations are correct. I know this fear, I felt it in PYP:I, it makes you wanna either lurk or just go balls to the walls berserk on the person who called you out because there’s nothing you can do to stop them from being right. Opz’s change of tone in this post is hugely scummy before we even get to it’s content. But that said, let’s take a peek at the content. His first part about mattchew is incoherent at best, it seems like he’s saying he’s voting for mattchew because he flipped when he was modkilled :/. He emphasizes the weakness of masons, which is funny considering that he’s supposed to be a mason. He claims he hasn’t been the harbinger of mafia against protact which is pretty funny considering when you read his filter (as he suggests you do), there are certainly a lot of posts dedicated to protact. He ends his defense with some fairly nasty attacks of sheth for no reason, personally insulting him and then OMGUSing as well. Quite frankly I find this post to be worthy of a lynch in of itself, there is nothing townie about this defense, instead it’s about opz screaming “you’re wrong and you’re bad” in all caps and in bold. When this is added to his earlier behavior the case becomes more solid, and that isn’t even the icing on the cake. Guess who died last night? The one and only Liquid’Sheth. Why did sheth, a relatively new player and someone who hasn’t proved themselves as a stone cold scum killer warrant a hit? A look through his filter provides the answer. His life was almost completely dedicated to lynching GGQ. Sheth has done this before. In responsibility he correctly nailed the final scum and was then shot at night.
So I ask to consider all of this. Opz’s posts before being called out by sheth, his terrible post defending himself, and sheth’s subsequent death. Opz is mafia.
@BC since you apparently harbor suspcions of me please post them so we can deal with it.
My first vote will stay on GGQ, I'll decide my second by tomorrow afternoon.
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