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Meapak_Ziphh
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Moving on, I am still running for mayor and I will not be withdrawing because aside from BC I do not like any of the current candidates. My lynch would be GGQ. Foolishness in your last post you said you had done an analysis on someone. Please refresh my memory who this was. Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. Mattchew got modkilled. Please read the thread. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Here are the rules for today: 1) We will not vote for more than 5 people at a time. This will keep us focused and prevent scum meddling. You don't like anyone who's being voted for? Convince us of a new person. I have a feeling the scum were able to dictate the vote pretty much at will yesterday because of fragmented votes. If we keep focused we will prevent that. 2) If you vote without providing a reason in the thread I will call for a vigi shot on you. There will be no more sheeping, everyone is expected to have an opinion on the proceedings. Also saying something is "neutral" isn't a read, it's a scum copout. 3) There will be no idle accusations. If you call someone scum then tell the rest of us why you think that. Failure to provide reasoning for accusations is scummy. 4) There will be no tangents. Our job today is to lynch scum and every townie should be working toward that. Speculation on number of X role in game? No. Anymore worthless discussion on masons? No. Any discussion of future events that are not related to the lynch? No. 5) Lastly, unless you're a dt and have found scum DO NOT BLUE CLAIM. If we all follow those simple and straight forward rules then we'll have this game in the bag. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 16 2012 17:13 Scamp wrote: This had better be one excellent analysis post because as I see it GGQ is definitely not the play today. Pray tell who do you think is the right play? I looked back through your filter and was left baffled by the lack of substance. Congratulations! You earned yourself a spot of the "people getting analyzed tomorrow" list. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote: Your posts have been very bad so far. This post is also bad. With his first post, GGQ starts off on the right foot for scum. He distances himself from Ciryandor and attacks CC. Now you’re probably all saying “Meapak he attacked Ciry who flipped scum, how it that bad?” I understand your concerns however here’s the thing, GGQ is not saying what’s bad about the posts he quoted, he’s just making a blanket statement. Rather than elaborate on why these posts are bad, he’s content to make a statement with no substance. This is scum heaven because it kills three birds with one post. 1) he distances himself from a scumbudy. 2) he’s posting what initially appears to be an opinion so he looks active. 3) he’s discouraging discussion with a negative outlook. Now I’d like to touch on point 2 really quick. Though it sounds like it, this post is not providing an opinion. GGQ is just making a statement; we have no idea why he thinks this or even why it’s relevant. Without this information, we don’t actually know GGQ’s true opinion. I’ll also elaborate on point 3, negativity is great for scum, it makes the thread annoying to read and produces a doom and gloom environment for town. This is a theme throughout GGQ’s posts; everything is “bad” and said in a sarcastic manner. I’m not saying everyone has to be saints, I’m saying that when people are constantly posting negative things it discourages activity and makes the thread a chore to read. Next post: On January 13 2012 15:32 GGQ wrote: Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you. I personally find this post hilarious simply because it’s doing exactly what it rails against i.e. talking about BM because he’s BM. At that point in the game discussion of BM was getting a bit out of hand, however making a whole post talking about it really doesn’t help the problem. Next: On January 13 2012 17:57 GGQ wrote: Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? Oh look, another negative post. Out of VE’s entire post GGQ takes a tiny bit and twists the words around. The real question I have hear is why. Constantly calling things bad is not scum hunting. Just look at this post. It screams passive aggressive and literally it’s only purpose it to discredit VE. To what end? I can think of no townie motive for posting the way GGQ has been posting. It poisons the thread atmosphere and chokes discussion. On January 14 2012 07:19 GGQ wrote: BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him. I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully. By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic. BC is obviously town huh? Mind telling us why And your points about masons, can you get any more noncommittal? Notice the wording, GGQ is [i[leaning[/i] towards having the masons claim. But more importantly, look at that little paragraph about masons when compared to the rest of his posts. Gone is the arrogant abrasive attitude who called things bad without reason. The GGQ writing the paragraph about masons is a scared GGQ. Using words like “honestly” to qualify his statement shows a lack of conviction that has been absent from his previous posts. Like I said when BC originally made his claim, it forces discussion that scum aren’t ready for, GGQ doesn’t know a) which side will ultimately prevail and b) which side is better for his team. So he pulls the good ‘ole “go both ways.” Whichever mason strategy is used, GGQ can construe this post to show he was in favor or at least wasn’t very opposed. Oh look at the very end, we get a nice swipe on Palmar. How ironic given GGQ’s own play. We can talk about the implications of this post later: [spoiler[ On January 14 2012 09:15 GGQ wrote: [/spoiler]Vigilantes shooting lurkers is fine play. If someone is posting the bare minimum to avoid modkill, it's not a waste to kill them. Next: On January 15 2012 12:02 GGQ wrote: havent caught up, I'm at page 57, but I skipped ahead. don't vote in Protractinium. Seriously, don't. Macpo is pretty clearly a newb town imo Two things about this post: why and why? No reason for why protact is bad, no evidence why Macpo is “newb town.” If GGQ truly believes Macpo is newb town, it should be very easy to find a post or two proving this. Maybe you don’t even need a post, maybe it’s more general attitude, however GGQ can’t do that for some reason. Furthermore, no reasoning is given for why protact is bad. If I see one more person do this I will be sooo pissed. Seriously, if you’ve going to say someone is bad then tell us why, I may agree with you if I know what your reasons are. Anyway this is another GGQ post where on the surface it looks like an opinion but in reality it’s just a statement with no supporting evidence. The next post is very similar: On January 16 2012 12:36 GGQ wrote: lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo Why and why? You can’t just say things like this without reason. Next post I don’t read much into, he’s just giving generic advice and I won’t crucify him for that: His last post: On January 16 2012 13:24 GGQ wrote: Do you honestly believe that someone who is wrong about one lynch should just stop trying? Again, passive aggressive tone for no reason. Tl;dr for everyone. GGQ has consistently posted with a scum oriented mindset. He shows no interest in what’s going on and when he does deign to say something he fails to provide a reason. GGQ’s posting is promoting a mafia favored thread atmosphere and he has failed to adequately explain his reads when he gives them. Also regarding the quote I said we would talk about later, when GGQ flips scum, this quote will suggest that the mafia is fairly active and thus unafraid of vigis shooting inactives. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 17 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: ok back again: We not going to lynch a new guy who barely posted. Theses guys turn out to be unreadable early on and flip by true chance. I've got to admit that I'm not done reading yet but I don't think lynching GGQ is a good idea yet although I would hardly call it a bad idea. We simply got better people. Finding mafia is going to be easier the longer this game takes. You really want to lynch a new guy who HAS to screw up sometimes if he really is mafia? Just lynch the guy we're capable of reading RIGHT NOW: Sandroba It's posts like these that only solidify GGQ is scum. Look at the way Toad defends GGQ, he recognizes the merits of the case but says we have better people. This is a common theme with people who think GGQ is a bad lynch, let's take a look at another such person. On January 17 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote: I really don't like GGQ for a lynch candidate btw. Ciryandor was antagonistic and had the same reaction to his posts as he did other townie's accusations. I think he would react differently if he was speaking to a fellow mafia. Again, there's hesitancy and at the same time an unwillingness to engage the issue directly. Neither Toad nor p4ndemik flat out tell me I'm wrong, instead they simply say they don't like it. WHY? I'm fine with you disagreeing with me, what I'm not fine with is people disagreeing without giving a reason. And no, Toad did not give a reason. Saying "there are better people" is a cop out because you don't have to address whether you think the case is good. And in Toad's case, he even says "it's not a bad idea." Well if it's not a bad idea then you must agree with it, if you agree with it then you think GGQ is scum, if you think GGQ is scum then why aren't you voting him? On January 17 2012 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually Sand, I'm not so sure about GGQ...I'd rather a vig take care of this one than lynch it. I find this post to be humorous as hell. Why would you want to lynch someone with like seven posts Sand? If you really think he's skating-by-scum, wouldn't the optimal play be to let a vig take care of him? Here we have another soft defense of GGQ, VE tactly admits that GGQ is scummy but would rather have a vigi take care of him. I really don't get it. All three of these people acknowledge the case on GGQ but somehow all of them have an excuse for why GGQ is a bad lynch. It's actually baffling, if you say it's a good case then you vote the person, you don't come up with bullshit reasons why they're not the best option. I don't know if all three of these are scum or if one or two just got caught up in retard reasoning, however mark these posts well, this is how scum get pressure off themselves, by admitting the case is good to mollify those pushing the lynch and then offer alternatives to a lynch. I guess here's my final word on the soft defends. If you're gonna step up and defend GGQ then do so, I have no problem with someone defending GGQ as long as they do so in a townie manner. These little softs defends just scream mafia. Just because I think GGQ is mafia it doesn't mean you're mafia for defending him unless you defend him in a scummy way. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Also for those viewers who are keeping track back home, I'm working my way through the filters of the players I talked about in my post last night, I should have something on who is who in a few hours. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 17 2012 07:47 p4NDemik wrote: Meapak I explained my reasoning clearly and to the point in that post. Ciryandor's behavior in shirking off complaints town brought against him exactly mirrors how he responded to GGQ. I would expect some shift in behavior if he was discrediting a complaint another mafia brought against him. Furthermore when GGQ makes a slight jab at Ciryandor, Ciry wholeheartedly deflects and points the finger back at GGQ. I don't see this as how two mafia would interact. Unless they're really bad. Actually this IS how two mafia interact. The last thing mafia like to do especially on day one is to appear connected in anyway. They will often call each other out and disagree for the simple reason of distance. It's not bad mafia play at all to call your team member out, the trick is simply seperating townies pointing genuine fingers to mafia pointing artificial fingers. In the case of GGQ and Ciryandor, my analysis indicates it's mafia pointing artificaly fingers. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Bill kita claimed a hit. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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So without further ado, please stop allowing the mafia to influence this lynch and vote for GGQ. I'm really tired hearing from the people pushing Sandroba. They have no case and are simply shitting up the thread. Let's get back to actual scum hunting. Of my earlier list, opz deserves a closer look as does scamp (who I added after a later post). Also going to be looking into ToadEastern. You can consider all of these FoS's. Since this is three people, I support enacting a double lynch for tomorrow as I'm fairly certain I will have two scum lined up and ready. Also Bum is MIA, I'd love for him to start posting again. | ||
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Oh and don't pretend that a couple people all shouting "sandroba is scum" using fancy red words somehow equates to "a bunch of people." | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:15 Foolishness wrote: Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game. In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these... ...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game. Hey Incog, I found another mafia! Hey look who decided to show up! Does it matter when I call people out? The entire list I made from a few posts ago was composed of people I had ignored from the start of the game. Is there a set time when I'm allowed to call people out? And if by "choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game" you mean sandroba than I don't have much faith in "the 2 best scumhunters." | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On January 17 2012 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'm referring to Macpo...you know the guy who myself and Incog called out on day 1 and then came in with a hilariously bad defense post, and has since gone afk? Oh fun. Actually I'm fairly lost now. Yes I agree Macpo has acted scummy, no he did not immidiatly jump out however subsequent read throughs led me to consider him a suspect. When I made my original list scamp was not on it, he was only added after I saw a few more of his posts. I noticed Macpo when I was rereading the thread at another time. I hardly see how my timing is noteworthy. As to why I'm not calling for his lynch today, I have a better case against GGQ. I really don't care how good you and incog are, neither of you are pushing for his lynch super hard and I feel that protact/incog and sandroba are bad lynches so I'm pushing my own candidate who I feel confident of. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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I'm going out, I'll be back around 10:00PST. In the meantime please read my case. No one has any answer for it. Those who oppose do so in a scummy manner. Sandroba is not a good lynch, there is no real case against him. Protact is not a good lynch, he's pretty obviously town (for evidence look at his reads, I still disagree with his BC read but other than that they're good). Those calling for his death are pretty suspicious. GGQ is the one who dies today. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Stop splitting the friggin vote. You prefer macpo over sandro or protac, and you have a large number of players saying off macpo. With this much red read by MULTIPLE PLAYERS who are well respected we should be heading where they aim. Jackal is on 3 scum lists and I believe he is a higher profile red to remove than macpo, however given the amount of work provided in analysis on macpo I would understand and support his lynch. Get off ggq, we can let a vig handle him or lynch him tommorrow. Alright fuck it. Apparently those untouchable gods of the game have decreed macpo is scum and must die. Pardon me for trying to get what I believe a surer scum lynched. Voting macpo as the gods demand, they clearly know what's right. | ||
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