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Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 16 2012 22:16 GMT

#1850

Also note that Ciryandor never aggressively guns for GGQ, he only mentions him in passing.

On January 13 2012 15:48 Ciryandor wrote:

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LOL says the guy whose first post is to criticize bad posts.

In a more productive light, where is Bill? Does he actually want to be mayor? I'm starting to wonder why Foolishness is pushing for him to be mayor. Are there any other candidates besides Kita and Wiggles that want to step up? I realize that it's only the third hour or so from game's start, so we'll probably have activity pick up in the next nine or so from EU people waking up.

Read: "What I just said was not useful, ignore it plz".

I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.

For Ciryandor to think that GGQ "escaped scrutiny" must mean that he really did think GGQ was suspicious. Right? Well, the previous post says otherwise. His previous accusation is not made in a serious tone, and he even tries to cover it up by adding "In a more productive light" (followed by useless stuff) after. Ciryandor really isn't interested in lynching GGQ. Its just a distraction to save himself, or perhaps GGQ in the event that he does get killed.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 16 2012 22:42 GMT

#1860

On January 17 2012 07:24 Toadesstern wrote:

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That's something I've got problems with. Why to you want to lynch into apathetic people at all. Those people are the kind of people you lynch when you've got nothing going on and need to get at least something going.
Just let our vigis shoot into lurkers and deal with them once we run out of obvious targets like sandroba. That's what our vigis are good for after all.

Apathy is not inactivity. Apathy does not mean that a player is unreadable. On the contrary, look at how this game has unfolded as a whole. Day 1 is full of chaos. The thread explodes to 75 pages, and hardly anyone is looking for mafia. You have some hardline players like WBG and company who want to throw Palmar off a cliff, and a bunch of useless mason discussion. The mafia have no reason to be actively at the front of the stage because it inherently carries risk. The town is already in a natural state of chaos anyway. Thus, the mafia are the ones who are going to be slacking off.

A sandroba lynch is absolutely ridiculous and the amount of support it is getting is shockingly disturbing.

On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.

On January 14 2012 16:34 sandroba wrote:

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I think I talked about this already. He's ugly and smells bad. Also protact's case was the best thing to land on this thread so far. Also I might lynch a bg instead. Who knows.

No mafia digs up a case on a fellow mafia when it is dead and buried.

Lets look at one of your posts about sandroba:

On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:

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as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it

) about sandroba:
I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy

Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC.

If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all.
My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50.

Explain how you know Sandroba made BC lynch Palmar, when he never said such a thing.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 00:38 GMT

#1924

On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first

On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content.
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[13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james
[13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me
[13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl
[13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr
[13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good

[13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed
[13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there?
[13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up
[13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am
[13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed
[13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up
[13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26
[13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic
[13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw?
[13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion
[13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games
[13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games
[13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months
[13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most
[13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh
[13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia
[13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do
[13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not
[13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_-
[13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh
[13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign
[13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar
[13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well
[13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now
[13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read
[13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself
[13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb
[13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet
[13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it
[13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread
[13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however
[13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness
[13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc...
[13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets
[13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post
[13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to
[13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly
[13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me?
[13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post
[13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post
[13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it
[13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm
[13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs
[13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs
[13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks
[13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people
[13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim
[13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op
[13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be
[13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs
[13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in
[13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2
[13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total?
[13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba
[13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game
[13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan
[13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good
[13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs
[13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however
[13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not
[13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me
[13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia
[13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town
[13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit
[13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do
[13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue
[13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go
[13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die"
[13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows
[13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool
[13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring
[13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most
[13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red
[13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now
[13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected
[13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover
[13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player
[13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are
[13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me
[13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure
[13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing
[13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more
[13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup
[13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think
[13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly
[13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others
[13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues
[13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game
[13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early
[13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree
[13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night
[13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you
[13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole
[13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player
[13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing
[13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work
[13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it
[13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep
[13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion
[13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key
[13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it
[13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up
[13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james:

its an annoying read
[13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours
[13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit
[13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim
[13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies
[13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny
[13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it
[13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town
[13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use
[13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes
[13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason
[13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us
[13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times
[13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons
[13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool
[13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance
[13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits
[13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town
[13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies
[13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well?
[13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role
[13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all
[13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form
[13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia
[13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue
[13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest
[13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much
[13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks
[13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt
[13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think
[13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role
[13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected?
[13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated
[13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont
[13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl
[13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said
[13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you
[13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason"
[13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol
[13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red
[13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people
[13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself
[13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently
[13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over?
[13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight
[13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town
[13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way
[13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia
[13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also
[13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese
[13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad
[13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck
[13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my
[13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim
[13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for
[13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case
[13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too
[13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more
[13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh
[13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red
[13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play
[13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him
[13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad
[13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible
[13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach
[13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic
[13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie
[13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact
[13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree
[13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up
[13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him
[13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town
[13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true
[13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb
[13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit
[13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do
[13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw
[13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons
[13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP
[13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec
[13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that
[13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose
[13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1
[13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd
[13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though
[13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it
[13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly
[13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol
[13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon
[13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone
[13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea
[13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to
[13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more
[13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night
[13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like
[13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it
[13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid
[13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town
[13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake?
[13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies
[13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers
[13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1
[13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game
[13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot'
[13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well
[13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game
[13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong
[13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game
[13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads
[13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1
[13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool
[13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play
[13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides
[13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere
[13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through
[13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes
[13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now
[13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha
[13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently
[14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here?
[14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now
[14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up
[14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40
[14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk
[14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow
[14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum
[14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia?
[14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow
[14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not
[14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac
[14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard
[14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though
[14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious
[14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because
[14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though
[14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord
[14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell
[14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second
[14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me
[14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog
[14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon
[14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town
[14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no
[14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean
[14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him
[14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game
[14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it
[14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm
[14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia
[14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms
[14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid
[14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw
[14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I
[14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms
[14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion
[14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general
[14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons
[14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1
[14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah
[14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog
[14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just
[14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself
[14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that
[14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway
[14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee
[14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out
[14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit
[14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also
[14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast
[14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam
[14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg
[14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac
[14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor
[14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no
[14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link
[14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people
[14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact
[14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls
[14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds
[14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well
[14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog
[14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker
[14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm
[14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia
[14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively
[14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken
[14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts
[14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now
[14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs
[14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog
[14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck
[14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ?
[14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view
[14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms
[14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\
[14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post
[14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it
[14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post?
[14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense
[14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening
[14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun
[14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw?
[14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it
[14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time
[14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time
[14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now
[14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior
[14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful
[14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy
[14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb
[14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy
[14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs
[14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit
[14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you
[14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz
[14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs
[14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me
[14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha
[14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye
[14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l
[14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good?
[14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't
[14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything
[14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet
[14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town
[14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia
[14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is
[14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup
[14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red
[14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms
[14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is
[14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted
[14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be?
[14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L
[14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far
[14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to
[14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3?
[14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia
[14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages]
[14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him
[14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game
[14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms
[14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl
[14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters
[14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play
[14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members
[14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it
[14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation?
[14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up
[14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets
[14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii
[14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it
[14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles
[14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia
[14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red
[14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good
[14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving
[14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red
[14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning
[14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good!
[14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once
[14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice
[14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin
[14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes
[14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard"
[14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_-
[14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than
[14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op
[14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that
[14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception
[14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like
[14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P
[14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right?
[14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used
[14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently
[14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people?
[14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game
[14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post
[14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart
[14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia
[14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you
[14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden
[14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =)
[14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red
[14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno
[14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town
[14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge
[14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good
[14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does
[14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience
[14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town
[14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red
[14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor
[14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's
[14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\
[14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay
[14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good
[14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome
[14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me
[14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched
[14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die
[14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always
[14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia
[14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck
[14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think
[14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy
[14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously
[14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me
[14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba
[14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote
[14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed
[14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread
[14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me
[14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office
[14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls
[14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort
[14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm
[14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed
[14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere
[14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol
[14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb
[14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing
[14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more
[14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss
[14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =)
[14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man
[14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long
[14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia
[14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game
[14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason
[14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game
[14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all
[14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch
[14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players?
[14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope
[14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now
[14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo
[14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo?
[14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6
[14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this
[14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint
[14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl
[14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac
[14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of?
[14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl
[14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up
[14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here?
[14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack
[14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck
[14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved
[14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =(
[14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night
[14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk
[14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk
[14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind
[14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal?
[14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P
[14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka
[14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw
[14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later
[14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog
[14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread
[14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then
[14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you
[14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts
[14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me
[14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man
[14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons
[14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck
[14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly
[14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait
[14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people
[14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on
[14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1
[14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account
[14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable
[14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure
[14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely
[14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive?
[14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted
[14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake
[14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power
[14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate?
[14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so
[14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly
[14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim
[14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you
[14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia
[14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly
[14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys
[14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason
[14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms
[14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are
[14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled
[14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known
[14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly
[14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though
[14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names
[14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too
[14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends
[14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha
[14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1
[14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me
[14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap
[14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling
[14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does
[14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him
[14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all
[14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia
[14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him
[14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by
[14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez
[14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes
[14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll
[14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town
[14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets
[14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry
[14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town
[14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point
[14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances
[14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot
[14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo
[14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who?
[14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis?
[14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later
[14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc
[14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway
[14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what
[14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58
[14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting
[14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce?
[14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl
[14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously
[14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works
[14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_-
[14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact
[14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see
[14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him
[14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh
[14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people
[14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P
[14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch
[14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh
[14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me
[14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit
[14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world
[14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's
[14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully
[14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it
[14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made
[14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game
[14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented?
[14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell
[14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog
[14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better
[14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then
[14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him
[14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit
[14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support
[14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of
[14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc"
[14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts
[14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do
[14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1
[14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes
[14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad
[14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive
[14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1
[14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend?
[14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker?
[14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of
[14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs
[14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor
[14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread
[14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time
[14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll
[14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone
[14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: ....................
[14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't
[14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg
[14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in
[14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten
[14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected
[14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen
[14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT
[14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch
[14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie
[14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh
[14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that
[14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice
[14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like
[14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead
[14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post
[14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline
[14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not
[14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me
[14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results
[14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure
[14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere
[14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die
[14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan
[14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know
[14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know
[14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s
[14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well
[14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik
[14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol*
[14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man
[14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100%
[14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info
[14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs
[14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb
[14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious
[14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to
[14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you
[14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him?
[14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher
[14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town
[14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz
[14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red
[14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1
[14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red
[14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info
[14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red
[14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive
[14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red
[14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are
[14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless
[14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds
[14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case
[14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man
[14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out
[14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected
[14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them
[14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch
[14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough
[14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right?
[14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check
[14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea
[14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi
[14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also
[14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness
[14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me
[14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm
[14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%?
[14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no
[14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles
[14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets
[14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol
[14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those
[14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont
[14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember
[14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates
[14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar
[14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd
[14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red
[14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done
[14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts
[14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all
[14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote
[14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that
[14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll
[14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar
[14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum
[14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol
[14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later
[12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back
[12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched
[12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller
[12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think
[12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that
[12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/
[12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread
[12:12:23 AM] james: lol
[12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread
[12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked
[12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man
[12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller
[12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah
[12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad
[12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll
[12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia
[12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still
[12:14:14 AM] james: on incog
[12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game
[12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town
[12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop
[12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason
[12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man
[12:15:09 AM] james: from me
[12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else?
[12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that
[12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town
[12:15:23 AM] james: nah
[12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run
[12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia
[12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam
[12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me
[12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh
[12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion
[12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player
[12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia
[12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are
[12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad"
[12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in
[12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat
[12:16:14 AM] james: lol
[12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure
[12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can
[12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off
[12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral
[12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way
[12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not
[12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair
[12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment
[12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be
[12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play
[12:17:38 AM] james: as red
[12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories
[12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx
[12:18:22 AM] james: lol
[12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong
[12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth
[12:18:52 AM] james: usually
[12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players
[12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah
[12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play
[12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up
[12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't
[12:19:15 AM] james: ace does
[12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying
[12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace
[12:19:31 AM] james: lol
[12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit
[12:19:36 AM] james: in the open
[12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia
[12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him

[12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there
[12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man
[12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience
[12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him
[12:20:13 AM] james: hard
[12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean
[12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right
[12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ
[12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too
[12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed
[12:20:28 AM] james: lol
[12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot
[12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot
[12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep
[12:22:16 AM] james: haha
[12:22:17 AM] james: then crash
[12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today
[12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie
[12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man
[11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo
[11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk?
[11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day?
[11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over.
[11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks.
[5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes

Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread.

On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner.
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler

But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba.

Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 00:53 GMT

#1932

On January 17 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
##vote Protactinium

On my phone; in short, massive slip. When the "day 1 summary" was posted by Protactinium, it suggested that there was pre-knowledge that the chaos was town-induced.
Note how Protactinium never questions that the people who pushed Palmar for lynch (WBG and other hardliners) were anything but town. It's not possible to make absolute generalizations like Protactinium is doing unless there's knowledge that those generalizations are true. That knowledge is only available to scum.

I'll post more about this shortly when I get comp access.

This is not a slip, it is a deduction based on the state of the thread. It would not surprise me if there are 1-2 mafia actively posting and creating chaos in the thread. However, given the general atmosphere, it is highly likely that a majority of the mafia are lazy and apathetic, which means that the people trying to figure stuff out are likely town. At this point, there's no reason to focus on the active posters when clearly the thread is in chaos, which incentivizes mafia to just skate by. I am making generalizations not based on an absolute statement that there are no mafia among the active posters, but that there will be a lot of mafia that are hiding. There is nothing to suggest that I have knowledge that only the mafia know, all I have done is made an educated deduction, one that is apparently quite unpopular.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 00:58 GMT

#1935

On January 17 2012 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:

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On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote:

On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first

On January 16 2012 13:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content.
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I thought sandroba made BC lynch Palmar because of his post yes. No I do not have clairvoyant.

BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC and they both agreed to lynch Palmar => BC lynches palmar. I think it's pretty straight forward.
Even if you don't believe you, just consider what you're saying. You think I've got information I should not have?
You think that I KNOW that sandroba (because I'm talking about red sandroba all the time) told BC to lynch Palmar instead of someone else because I am mafia as well.
And that's the reason I come in this thread to tell you sandroba is scum, because I as a scum myself know what he and BC talker about? That's just not making sense at all.

The bold is bullshit. Sandroba discussed with BC and said they came to a compromise. What is this compromise? You don't know. I don't think you're mafia bussing sandroba. You're just bullshitting hard in order to get a town sandroba lynched.

Everyone is talking too much about bussing when it doesn't really make any sense at this point.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:04 GMT

#1938

On January 17 2012 09:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
Yo protac, you never answered my question. also, All I see from you doing is defending sandroba, with no scum hunting. What gives? Could you give me an opinion on my analysis on sand, or tell me who you want to lynch today?

Read my posts to see who I want to lynch. I don't have to repeat myself.

As a general announcement, if you want to talk to me or ask me questions, please read my posts first so you don't ask me to waste time repeating myself.

On January 17 2012 09:51 Scamp wrote:
Did anyone else notice Protact's long post on page 92 that makes a case against Ciryandor as if he's still alive?

Another example of people who don't read. That post was a re-post of a post I posted on the wrong account before Ciryandor flipped red.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:06 GMT

#1939

On January 17 2012 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting.

It does not matter who is posting. A shared account is a shared account. It is not two voices battling for dominance. It is one voice with one opinion.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:28 GMT

#1960

On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first

BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC and they both agreed to lynch Palmar => BC lynches palmar. I think it's pretty straight forward.

BC said he wants to lynch A => sandroba says he discussed with BC => BC lynches palmar instead of A. I think
it's pretty straight forward.

On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner.
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler

Nope its not what you thought, its what you said

Everybody note the bold and see how the story changes each time.

You know what a compromise is right? It means both parties give up part of their demand to come to some mutual ground they can agree upon. It does not mean that one party gets their way. But for some reason you conclude that sandro "made BC lynch Palmar" from "we came to a compromise"?

You are pretty obviously stretching things. I hope people can see that.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:41 GMT

#1970

On January 17 2012 10:28 hiro protagonist wrote:

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Whoops, I missed your vote on Macpo. my bad. However reading though your filter, I dont see a response to my question, which is what do you think of my analysis I posted on sandroba?

His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder.

Sandroba is not WBG. He is not a player who spam posts "KILL X" through every page of the thread. You also don't see me saying "Kill X" in every single post, but that doesn't mean I am convinced about my reads. There is no reason to believe that Sandroba did not want to lynch Ciryandor, that is just speculation.

You say that sandroba does no scumhunting. That's irrelevant, because quite emphatically supported my read on Ciryandor, in fact, calling my post "the best post so far". Sure, he didn't come up with original analysis, but at least he recognized which analyses were correct. Not everyone can be the first to state something. So unless you're going to make up some convoluted story about how my wish to lynch Macpo (who Foolishness first mentioned) is really an elaborate plan to bus my own teammate (you can hopefully see how this is getting ridiculous), you can't say much about Sandroba not writing original analysis. In all honesty, writing up an original analysis and supporting an original analysis when the post is buried and nobody else is supporting or even talking about it are at the same level in terms of how much it says about alignment.

You claim that sandroba is more interested in self-preservation than finding scum. I see no evidence of that. In fact, if you read over sandroba's posts as a whole they give off more of a spontaneous unplanned feeling, suggesting more that he isn't really concerned about how he looks.

In short, as Meapak said, the cases on sandroba are forced. There is no way he is a better lynch than any of the people on my red list.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:46 GMT

#1975

On January 17 2012 10:35 Toadesstern wrote:

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exactly that's my point. It's a compromise so sandroba made BC do something he would not have done without that compromise. I'm not saying he forced BC to do so but he obviously said "if you do X I will vote you" and that made BC change up whatever he changed.

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You're agreeing it's a compromise and that's what Sandroba said. That IS influence someone. All I'm saying is that Sandroba was influencing BC and made him do something. That somethign was lynching palmar.

Nope. For all you know, it could have been "you can't lynch X". You are basically claiming have an amazingly accurate sense of intuition that I doubt you actually possess.

But in any case, I don't need to go on this further. People can decide what they want about this. However, there's no reason why sandroba should be fingered out for this "forcing" Palmar's lynch when there were multiple people in the thread asking for his head. Stop tunneling sandroba on thin reasons. Macpo/GGQ are much better lynches.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 01:58 GMT

#1981

On January 17 2012 10:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Really Incog/Mystlord? Have I been invisible listed? You could at least refuse my request with an explanation rather than ignoring me twice. Lets not spam the thread more than it needs to be. One you share, I can move on to much more important things

Its the same answer.

It does not matter who is posting. A shared account is a shared account. It is not two voices battling for dominance. It is one voice with one opinion.

And thus by extension, we are one person. What we post is what our thoughts are. There's really no need for you to wade through fragmented brainstorming.

Its not relevant. I'm not responding because its not relevant. Can we please ask relevant questions instead of pestering people for irrelevant details? Nothing against you personally, but I can't be responding to everything.

We all need to focus on what's important, which is figuring out this lynch.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 02:30 GMT

#2006

On January 17 2012 11:16 Foolishness wrote:

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damn you beat me to it

Actually, I beat you all. No worries though. It seems pretty clear who is on the right track and who is not at this point.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 02:55 GMT

#2017

On January 17 2012 11:40 Toadesstern wrote:

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this guy wants to lynch GGQ, someone incog thinks to be scum as well. So one of those 2 got to be wrong?

What is your point. Care to give any analysis? (other than sandroba, we've already heard enough of that).

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 03:06 GMT

#2026

On January 17 2012 11:59 Toadesstern wrote:

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you two say meapak is scum and you say GGQ is scum. Meapak wants GGQ to die. Something's wrong there unless meapak is know to do this.

Hi, you've again just told me nothing. No conclusions, only doubt. "Oh noes something is wrong here, but I don't know what it is!" Also, I never say Meapak is mafia so quit planting words into people's mouths or making baseless assumptions (hey you're doing it again!).

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 03:27 GMT

#2049

On January 17 2012 12:13 Toadesstern wrote:

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EBWOP

Your case is basically "sandroba is trolling, and he isn't playing like a saint." Doesn't mean he's mafia.

You also ignore the fact that sandroba supported my case on a confirmed mafia. As for the rest, I've already explained why the sandroba case is bad (responding to hiro progatonist's analysis). I really don't need to respond to every analysis on sandroba. Come back only after you've read my posts thoroughly.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 03:54 GMT

#2064

On January 17 2012 12:33 Toadesstern wrote:

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see what I'm talking about? Either lies or misinterpreting

No my case is not about trolling it's about the fact that he dodging everything he can. He does not give explanations, he gives only very little reads and used humour to cover his lack of explanation. That's why I am mentioning the trolls because they're in places were you should simply write 2 or 3 lines to explain his thoughts. He refuses to do so.

And no I am not ignoring the case that he supported that case. He did that as well with annul and VE last game I was mafia with him. He is known to do that to screw with peoples reads. If people think he's mafia they think sandrobas reads are wrong => therefore saying a mafia is mafia makes people think his mafia buddy is town because people think he is town. He does that.

Interestingly, you never once mention in your analysis that sandroba is "dodging". If your case isn't about trolling, why do I see a bunch of random sandroba quotes followed by the commentary "troll". You never definitively give a conclusion to your analysis as to what the summary points of your case are, because quite frankly you are all over the place and its hard to get your main points. And yeah, that just means sandroba isn't playing like a saint. Sandroba doesn't explain Ciryandor in much detail, but he doesn't have to. I already analyzed him. No need to repeat the same stuff over and over.

You are also wrong that this is the same case as TL Mafia XLVIII. The important thing is not that he attacks Ciryandor, but HOW he does it. In XLVIII, Sandroba jumps on annul when annul is already a big topic of discussion and he is already getting votes. In this game, Sandroba jumps on Ciryandor when the case is dead and buried. HUGE difference there.

Quit saying that I'm lying and misinterpreting when you don't even properly conclude your "analysis" or attempt to clarify your main points. If all you're going to say about a post is "troll" don't even mention it. It just distracts from your argument.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 17 2012 05:22 GMT

#2094

On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:
READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES

I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies.

9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L.

Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo.

Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point.

Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude.

Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better.

kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this.

zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future.

Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.

Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh.

Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here.

DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!

Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together.

Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching.

Macpo

Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included.

IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN

Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow.
##Vote: double lynch

What do you mean by Meapak being out of character? For me it seems to fit his "I'm going to be the town hero" attitude. Contrast with PYP Interesting where as mafia he just spreads doubt and isn't assertive in the thread besides a half-assed mayoral campaign.

Good post for the most part. I put Jackal and kingjames as better candidates over Bill Murray though (whos colors will show as the game progresses, I'm not sold on him now. Why would a mafia mayor give away the list of bodyguards? Why is L so intent on spreading doubt among the 3 top mayor candidates (BC/BM/me)?)

Chaosquo is almost certainly mafia, as is kingjames.

Notice kingjames' recent out of place post speculating about the night kills (who cares at this point, anyway?)
Furthermore, he recently posted a list of people he is suspicious of with no analysis:

4. Slardar
15. L
22. rgTheSchworz
27. BloodyC0bbler
30. blahz0r
39. hiro protagonist
49. Scamp

claiming that he won't push these candidates "in the interest of not fracturing the town". Note how he never actually says anything about the current lynch candidates.

I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of the more inactive players were mafia instead though, but this should be a good list to start out with.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 18 2012 03:34 GMT

#2347

On January 18 2012 12:21 Foolishness wrote:
To add to that, I think this night will show where Bill Murray lies in relation to his alignment. If he jails the right person then KP will be reduced (and if he's been reading the thread it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who to jail...)

Jailing a mafia is KP -1. Jailing a high profile townie who is likely to get shot can potentially block more KP AND save an important player. (Hint: Foolishness or Protactinium) (Obviously Bill shouldn't say who he is jailing until after the day post).

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 18 2012 04:26 GMT

#2351

Ignore what I last said.

BM please incarcerate L.

Medics, protect Foolishness/me, obviously. Hopefully jailing L will -1 KP and deter the mafia from shooting Foolishness/me from lowered KP and the fact that medics could completely screw them over. If BM chooses to jail randomly again, then something is wrong.

Protactinium

Canada550 Posts

January 19 2012 02:59 GMT

#2498

GGQ is cool.

On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.

It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.

Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?

Here's the new list of mafias.

L
kingjames
BM
Toadesstern
SANDROBA
Jackal
bumatlarge
opz
chaosquo

Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start.

Brief explanations on the new people on the list:

BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.

Toadesstern

On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p

Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here?

Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.

Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.

bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.

And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust.

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